On 28/09/2022 at 00:49, Lord Nev said:

Hope so! Just know, at least under Mahoney, we were always just kinda 'no fuss' it seemed.

Could be lots to play out before the Jackson deal which will change/add picks, especially for Freo.

Your scenario would also fit what I was told by someone close to the Pies, who said that they would be definitely wanting a 1st. That was a while ago, and  I haven’t talked to them again, so the pick in the 20’s & swaps I mentioned is just a guess really

  On 28/09/2022 at 01:03, Matt said:

Your scenario would also fit what I was told by someone close to the Pies, who said that they would be definitely wanting a 1st. That was a while ago, and  I haven’t talked to them again, so the pick in the 20’s & swaps I mentioned is just a guess really

Would guess it would be more complicated than we can be bothered going into as well. Pick swaps, future picks, salary percentage etc could be all part of the negotiations I imagine.

  On 28/09/2022 at 00:14, DeeZone said:

Layzie going on past scenarios I would be gobsmacked if we haven’t already reviewed his medical status prior to meeting with him, particularly if we are in serious discussions with Pies which would appear to be the case. As the old saying goes we aren’t going to spend $3.5m over 5 years on a “pig in a poke”. So to speak.

Do you reckon it's the kind of info that is easily accessible? I only ask because in the EPL and other Soccer leagues transfers are always made pending a medical assessment. Would love to know a bit more about how it all works here when players are being courted. 

  On 28/09/2022 at 01:29, layzie said:

Do you reckon it's the kind of info that is easily accessible? I only ask because in the EPL and other Soccer leagues transfers are always made pending a medical assessment. Would love to know a bit more about how it all works here when players are being courted. 

Agree layzie I would love to see some input from Binman, Dazzle or posters that are close to the footy scene to provide a bit of insight to the formal process.

  On 28/09/2022 at 01:29, layzie said:

Do you reckon it's the kind of info that is easily accessible? I only ask because in the EPL and other Soccer leagues transfers are always made pending a medical assessment. Would love to know a bit more about how it all works here when players are being courted. 

Medical checks are made as part of or prior to the trade period. The actual trade has to be final and unconditional by the end of the trade period.

Bulldogs and Pies were given leeway on salary details and we saw how that turned out

It's up to the player as to whether he agrees to a medical check but one would think it unusualto refuse.

No reason that tests are limited to physical checks. Saints could ask DeGoey for a psychiatric test but I suspect he'd say no.

Edited September 28, 20222 yr by Diamond_Jim

de Goey has signed on at the Filfth for another five years. Zero chance now Grundy doesn’t come to us.

Edited September 29, 20222 yr by grazman

Closest to the pin for newspaper headline when the trade is completed?

"Grun-dee"

"It's a Grun deal"

"Unicorn out, pony in"

All horrible but you can't win if you don't buy a ticket..

 

  On 29/09/2022 at 23:25, layzie said:

Closest to the pin for newspaper headline when the trade is completed?

"Grun-dee"

"It's a Grun deal"

"Unicorn out, pony in"

All horrible but you can't win if you don't buy a ticket..

 

Good one Bro-dee

"Bro dees delight"

I wonder what would happen if Grundy/Dees last minute decided there little courtship/fling wouldn't go any further and we were to go our seperate ways.  

Would that mean the pies would have to ditch McStay and a couple others they've been linked to?  There salary cap would be bulging I'd imagine.

 

Magpies lose their Grundies, it's a demon done-deal. 

 

Or, Magpies drop their Grundies bent over by a dee-deal.

Edited September 30, 20222 yr by bush demon
Variation on theme.

  On 27/09/2022 at 23:32, layzie said:

He clearly hasn't wartched Max play much if he thinks Grundy is a superior tap ruckman. The rest I agree with. 

Max does get sharked a lot by the opposition.

For the quality of our midfield we don't the maximum advantage IMO

  On 28/09/2022 at 04:50, Diamond_Jim said:

Medical checks are made as part of or prior to the trade period. The actual trade has to be final and unconditional by the end of the trade period.

It's up to the player as to whether he agrees to a medical check but one would think it unusualto refuse.

No reason that tests are limited to physical checks. Saints could ask DeGoey for a psychiatric test but I suspect he'd say no.

Are we still using the Richmond doctor?

 

  On 29/09/2022 at 23:25, layzie said:

Closest to the pin for newspaper headline when the trade is completed?

"Grun-dee"

"It's a Grun deal"

"Unicorn out, pony in"

All horrible but you can't win if you don't buy a ticket..

 

#Gawndy in an ode to the fantasy football community 

  On 26/09/2022 at 11:56, monoccular said:

Finally, does anyone know, with certainly, the nature of the injury / injuries that killed his 2022, and their current status and prognosis? Surely this is the most important issue right now?  

Two separate injuries. Ankle and leg. Not chronic. Will be starting preseason untroubled. 

Now that De Goey has signed on, we should drive a hard bargain for Grundy’s services, knowing that they can’t afford to keep him and that he only wants to come to us.

But instead we’ll play nice 🤮

  On 30/09/2022 at 02:30, Demon Disciple said:

Now that De Goey has signed on, we should drive a hard bargain for Grundy’s services, knowing that they can’t afford to keep him and that he only wants to come to us.

But instead we’ll play nice 🤮

Media reports are that they need Grundy's money out of the cap to fit in Tom Mitchell even with Hawks paying part of Mitchell's 2023 contract.

Fingers crossed that result is we give up a 2nd rounder at worst and Pies pay $300K a year of his contract. 

  On 30/09/2022 at 02:30, Demon Disciple said:

Now that De Goey has signed on, we should drive a hard bargain for Grundy’s services, knowing that they can’t afford to keep him and that he only wants to come to us.

But instead we’ll play nice 🤮

Agree that we should be pushing to make sure we don't get screwed, but every time we 'play nice' and make it smooth for a player to come to us, or to leave us, it makes us that little bit more desirable for other players to come our way.

A lot of young key forwards would be thinking they could make their mark at Melbourne as the missing piece, and we want them having a warm fuzzy feeling any time they think of us!

What if we now say that we’ve gone cool on the idea!! Imagine the magpie panic !! They’ve committed to DEGOEY and MCSTAY. I think Dees will drive a tough deal. No first round draft pick conversation to be had. It’s Grundy for pick 32 and Pies pay 1/3 of his contract for the next 5 years (aka salary dump $600k a year on us). 
 

Of course, I’m still puzzled how the Grundy-Gawn combo works. Lots to work through. Some strategies are a real rotation and a forward-half back-half zone type strategy is mooted. Maybe Maxy is struggling with an injury and needs real support for ongoing physical relief.  Not sure.  

Edited September 30, 20222 yr by spirit of norm smith
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  On 30/09/2022 at 05:33, Little Goffy said:

Agree that we should be pushing to make sure we don't get screwed, but every time we 'play nice' and make it smooth for a player to come to us, or to leave us, it makes us that little bit more desirable for other players to come our way.

100%

If the Dees make you a pitch and you think it would be a great place to play your footy, we have a reputation among players and managers that we will make that deal happen quickly and painlessly. It makes it easy to decide to switch and easy to buy in to a club that demonstrates that it will act in your best interests. 

  On 30/09/2022 at 05:39, spirit of norm smith said:

What if we now say that we’ve gone cool on the idea!! Imagine the magpie panic !! They’ve committed to DEGOEY and MCSTAY. I think Dees will drive a tough deal. No first round draft pick conversation to be had. It’s Grundy for pick 32 and Pies pay 1/3 of his contract for the next 5 years (aka salary dump $600k a year on us). 
 

Of course, I’m still puzzled how the Grundy-Gawn combo works. Lots to work through. Some strategies are a real rotation and a forward-half back-half zone type strategy is mooted. Maybe Maxy is struggling with an injury and needs real support for ongoing physical relief.  Not sure.  

Max can provide some amazing silver service in the ruck. But on the whole I don’t think we capitalise on his time in the middle as much as we should.

His marking around the ground is a real weapon (when not 1 on 5). So my guess would be Grundy more time ruck, Max a combination of forward and copying Geel strategy this year of ruckman pushing back to increase the chances of an intercept mark. 

Two other advantages I can see are

1) We would really capitalise when the main oppo ruckman is having a rest, and coming up against the part-timer

2) We would have great match-up flexibility to switch Max & Grundy ruck/back/fwd depending on the opponent and their weaknesses/strengths 

 

  On 29/09/2022 at 23:25, layzie said:

Closest to the pin for newspaper headline when the trade is completed?

"Grun-dee"

"It's a Grun deal"

"Unicorn out, pony in"

All horrible but you can't win if you don't buy a ticket..

 

They are not that smart.

my guess is 

“Potential star out, All-Australian star in” 

 

  On 11/07/2022 at 05:33, Ouch! said:

Alright .... now hear me out.

If we were to hypothetically lose Luke Jackson, and the MFC could convince Collingwood to pay part of the salary. Does this sound as stupid as it sounds to enquire about Grundy to play alongside Gawn? 

yeah... you are right it's stupid. 🤔

What! A! Post! 
I presume you had some knowledge @Ouch!?

  On 30/09/2022 at 06:10, Engorged Onion said:

What! A! Post! 
I presume you had some knowledge @Ouch!?

  On 30/09/2022 at 06:07, 1964_2 said:

Max can provide some amazing silver service in the ruck. But on the whole I don’t think we capitalise on his time in the middle as much as we should.

His marking around the ground is a real weapon (when not 1 on 5). So my guess would be Grundy more time ruck, Max a combination of forward and copying Geel strategy this year of ruckman pushing back to increase the chances of an intercept mark. 

Two other advantages I can see are

1) We would really capitalise when the main oppo ruckman is having a rest, and coming up against the part-timer

2) We would have great match-up flexibility to switch Max & Grundy ruck/back/fwd depending on the opponent and their weaknesses/strengths 

 

Great post 1964_2, absolutely spot-on👍

So considering pies are asking for a first round pick, we will have to split our Jackson first round pick to get Grundy. I for the life of me can't see any good in going after Grundy. It weakens our draft hand and ties us to an expensive 29yo on a long contract. An utterly bizarre pick up unless goodwin thinks if we continue to bomb down the line to gawn resting forward, it will be more effective that when we did that this year with Jackson rucking. It doesn't work and won't work again.