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Mostly BS, based on flawed logic, or no logic at all! 
But. who cares, we are the reigning Premiers.

 

Going on players named in other teams, if Fritsch, May, Gawn, Salem and Langdon are not elite, Champion Data is measuring the wrong things.

I reckon many (like me) would have got a bit shirty and indignant when they first read that, but it's nothing more than a glowing endorsement of the team first ethic instilled in the group by our "under siege/gambler/alco" 🙄 coach and his team. 

Max played the best 2 games of his life to help us finish number 1, and to humiliate the Cats on the second biggest stage of all.

Angus would be a midfield star at 17 other clubs - yeah Bulldogs, I'm even looking at you- but we see him getting 15 possies a game while running his guts out to remain OUTSIDE the play, because that is where the team can get the biggest benefit from his work.

Champion data. yeah ok.

 

Something tells me that Champion Data take great pride in putting out these lists where their stats 'uncover' or represent something unexpected, rather than just re-confirming popular opinion

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2 hours ago, rjay said:

No hate...

It's just some of the players listed are hardly elite for their positions.

Their algorithm is still way out of whack when Carlton who have been one of the worst teams defensively in the competition have 3 elite defenders and we who were far and away the best defence in the competition only have 1 elite defender according to them.

I know that team defence plays a role in this but seriously...

...Carlton were struggling for a place to hide Zac Williams.

 

 

The Williams inclusion is strange. I wonder if they lump his midfield games in to backline and so he gets bonus possessions. Saad wasn't elite last year either. 

But the message might be less about defending which they struggle to quantify and more about how much they value elite half back ball use. There's a number of half backs in this list and the common thread is they either kick the ball really well or are aggressive runners from the backline to take the game on.

Clickbait rubbish spat out by an algorithm spewing out more [censored] than a baby.

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4 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

The Williams inclusion is strange. I wonder if they lump his midfield games in to backline and so he gets bonus possessions. Saad wasn't elite last year either. 

But the message might be less about defending which they struggle to quantify and more about how much they value elite half back ball use. There's a number of half backs in this list and the common thread is they either kick the ball really well or are aggressive runners from the backline to take the game on.

Even more so that Christian Salem fits into that category. 

 
9 hours ago, rjay said:

No hate...

It's just some of the players listed are hardly elite for their positions.

Their algorithm is still way out of whack when Carlton who have been one of the worst teams defensively in the competition have 3 elite defenders and we who were far and away the best defence in the competition only have 1 elite defender according to them.

I know that team defence plays a role in this but seriously...

...Carlton were struggling for a place to hide Zac Williams.

 

 

Agree Carltank defense couldnt give a fat rats clacker about  opponents and just chase kicks


1 hour ago, Wrecker46 said:

Can't believe Bowey isn't elite. 7 games, 7 wins, rising star nomination and a premiership.

That's elite.

We have the following who in my book are elite

CLARRY

MAX

TRACC

MAY

LEVER

SALEM

LANGDON

FRITSCH

Thats just for starters add the almosts Viney, Bowey,BBB, Kossy, Gus theres 13 straight up who would walk into ANY side then add Rivers, Sparrow to the mix and whadaya know, there's a premiership team right there!

Champion data, ?? Full of flaws!

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Tell any coach they've got the entire league to pick a team from. Who gets picked first as ruckman?

 

9 hours ago, rjay said:

...Carlton were struggling for a place to hide Zac Williams.

Ah ... so he stands out when he's got the ball. Maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way!

Hawthorn having more elite players than the premiers says it all. 

10 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It's by position so they're not comparing Sinclair with Steele bit against other general defenders.

Switkowski's stellar season consisted of twelve games for nine (count 'em, nine) goals so how can that possibly qualify him for the status of elite compared to other forwards?  Their ratings are laughable.

 

Jack Steele probably a top 5 midfielder in the comp not rated as elite is enough for me to stop reading.


All Australian Committee: Max Gawn for ruck, and captain

Champion Data: Computer says no.

Every year this days comes out and it gets more and more pointless

good to know Finlayson is elite. Lol

Champion data's way of assessing players is really not up to scratch and they should re-think this.

I think it does work to an extent for midfielders, given their job is generally to get more of the pill. But you cannot tell me all of Daniel, Williams, Saad and Hind are elite defenders. They don't even defend most of the time, so the only reason they are classified as 'defenders' is because they are in the backline. Kozzy puts more defence on than them and he's a forward.

Their system also doesn't take into account the fact that if you have a more even team, you are always going to have less players because you spread the load. Unless you just chip the ball around racking up stats - hence the dogs having 7 'elite' players. Too bad those 7 elite players couldn't get them a flag.... though they tried really hard and were only 74 points away....

Couldn't care less about champion data, but if you are going to go public with this dribble maybe re-think how you assess different positions/teams.

2 minutes ago, Action Jackson said:

Champion data's way of assessing players is really not up to scratch and they should re-think this.

I think it does work to an extent for midfielders, given their job is generally to get more of the pill. But you cannot tell me all of Daniel, Williams, Saad and Hind are elite defenders. They don't even defend most of the time, so the only reason they are classified as 'defenders' is because they are in the backline.

Yet the AA FB playing in statistically the best defense ever recorded by champion data isn’t elite. 
Salem isn’t elite but Saad is? 
 

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Champion data is dying a slow death.

By trying to stay relevant it then goes and posts this garbage.


9 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

The Williams inclusion is strange. I wonder if they lump his midfield games in to backline and so he gets bonus possessions. Saad wasn't elite last year either. 

But the message might be less about defending which they struggle to quantify and more about how much they value elite half back ball use. There's a number of half backs in this list and the common thread is they either kick the ball really well or are aggressive runners from the backline to take the game on.

40 game rolling average

so it would encompass a lot of his last season (or two, given injuries) at gw$ as well

Who TF cares what CD say. 
We have the only elite team in the competition, as measured by the new shiny cup that sits proudly in our cupboard. 

And I’m sure each member of that team could care less about perceived individual ratings devised by some almost irrelevant click bait factory.

12 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

40 game rolling average

so it would encompass a lot of his last season (or two, given injuries) at gw$ as well

The rolling 40-game average accounts for a few anomalies. Not saying they give a sensible result (for example, no way is Gawn below Hickey, Grundy and Darcy for 2022), but that's the metrics they use.

So the assessment average includes the 2020 season where Melbourne was indeed fairly average, although the rolling points also diminish in value over time. Finish near the top of the ladder this year and we'll have 10 elite players when two top-quality seasons (40+ games) come into the calculations.

However, the absence of Christian Salem from even the "above average" category is the most perplexing. Even on Champion Data's assessment, this year he was elite for Kicks, Handballs and Disposals, and above average for Marks, Tackles and Metres Gained, most of the metrics of an elite medium defender. Couldn't see Disposal Efficiency there either. Surely he is "elite" for that.

 
11 hours ago, mauriesy said:

Going on players named in other teams, if Fritsch, May, Gawn, Salem and Langdon are not elite, Champion Data is measuring the wrong things.

Yeah I think their ratings over the last couple of seasons shows they need to readjust things if they want to maintain relevancy - I mean this stuff is really just newspaper fodder anyway, the clubs just want the stats I don't think they really care about the ratings.

10 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

The Williams inclusion is strange. I wonder if they lump his midfield games in to backline and so he gets bonus possessions. Saad wasn't elite last year either. 

But the message might be less about defending which they struggle to quantify and more about how much they value elite half back ball use. There's a number of half backs in this list and the common thread is they either kick the ball really well or are aggressive runners from the backline to take the game on.

Salem's exclusion doesn't make sense in this context though


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