5 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Dropping Weideman after one game, where he performed, sends a bad message to the list. Hunt went down, Bowey came in, rest is history. You can't say to the blokes on the fringe, be patient, stay keen, your moment will come. And when it does, we'll then discard you for our favourite player.

The depth we have in part comes from the (so-far) fact that when your moment comes, if you perform, you keep playing. And players who don't perform (eg Brown mid-last year) will create opportunities for others. We can't dilute the strength by playing favourites.

Tough selection dilemma, but it's the kind of problem we could only have dreamed of in years past.

I think you're right.

Tmac is out. 😪 if bbb back in.

Sorry if already been mentioned elsewhere but didn't David Schwarz play in #44 in his first season or so before taking over the #5?

Big , strong CHF - hoping JVR has more luck with injury but if he manages to resemble the great man it would be amazing 

There's no way he's getting CP5's jumper though  

Getting snippets of information regarding Van Rooyen and how he's performing at Casey. I'm keen to get some feedback from those who have seen him play. I.e who would he come in for if he strung some good games together? etc

5 hours ago, Return to Glory said:

Getting snippets of information regarding Van Rooyen and how he's performing at Casey. I'm keen to get some feedback from those who have seen him play. I.e who would he come in for if he strung some good games together? etc

From the little bit I’ve seen of JVR he is a potential replacement for any of the taller forward options other than Fritta 

of those it’s most likely he would replace either Weed or TMac - however he needs to consistently perform at Casey and build his knowledge of the game plan before he would be considered an option imo 

I do think he has a bright future though 

3 hours ago, Sydee said:

From the little bit I’ve seen of JVR he is a potential replacement for any of the taller forward options other than Fritta 

of those it’s most likely he would replace either Weed or TMac - however he needs to consistently perform at Casey and build his knowledge of the game plan before he would be considered an option imo 

I do think he has a bright future though 

Can take a mark with strong hands. I think we have been missing that for a long while. Weid is fumbler, tmac drops alot. BBB takes grabs and Fritra is more Russel Robertson type. Will be a solid player but at the moment, we don't need him in the seniors so he should develop his game at Casey.

1 hour ago, Ugottobekidding said:

we don't need him in the seniors so he should develop his game at Casey.

Yeah, I don't go with this theory.

If he still had to physically develop then yeah...but he's a strong kid.

If his tank is up to it, he has a few good games and Casey and Wied/Tommy aren't performing well then get him in.

As a first round pick you really develop your game playing senior footy, you should be ready to go.

On 11/24/2021 at 8:54 PM, Whispering_Jack said:

Nailed it!

Almost six months down the track and I think it’s fair to say that while JVR still has a long way to go, the Demon recruiters did well in November to select him with their pick at #19 in the National Draft. His performance which involved six goals plus a number of goal assists and classy efforts suggests that he has a bright future as a key position player at AFL level and has even drawn comparisons with a young David Schwarz. The Ox played 173 games (244 goals) for Melbourne between 1991 and 2002 and overcame 3 knee reconstructions to win a club best and fairest and represent Victoria but I had the advantage of seeing him play as a young man prior to his senior debut.

In 1990, a couple of players from my eldest son’s footy club were picked to play for Melbourne’s Under 19s and joined a strong team that included a young David Schwarz from Sunbury. The pre-ACL Schwarz was dynamic, strong and athletic for his 195cm and within two years rose through the ranks to a regular senior players and by 1994 was one of the competition’s star key forwards. I’ve seen a lot of that young Ox in JVR.

Schwarz made his VFL/AFL debut in 1991 and played 6 games for Melbourne that year. I’m comfortable in comparing JVR with the Ox of 1990 - again, that’s not to guarantee that he’ll make it but I’m buoyed by the fact that at the same stage in terms of age, JVR has played senior WAFL games and now kicked multiple goals at VFL level. 

The big question is when will he make his AFL debut. If he was at North Melbourne or  one of the others at the foot of the ladder, he would probably have already played. But the beauty of being at Melbourne, is that he will get the time necessary for him to be physically and mentally prepared when the day comes.

 

39 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Almost six months down the track and I think it’s fair to say that while JVR still has a long way to go, the Demon recruiters did well in November to select him with their pick at #19 in the National Draft. His performance which involved six goals plus a number of goal assists and classy efforts suggests that he has a bright future as a key position player at AFL level and has even drawn comparisons with a young David Schwarz. The Ox played 173 games (244 goals) for Melbourne between 1991 and 2002 and overcame 3 knee reconstructions to win a club best and fairest and represent Victoria but I had the advantage of seeing him play as a young man prior to his senior debut.

In 1990, a couple of players from my eldest son’s footy club were picked to play for Melbourne’s Under 19s and joined a strong team that included a young David Schwarz from Sunbury. The pre-ACL Schwarz was dynamic, strong and athletic for his 195cm and within two years rose through the ranks to a regular senior players and by 1994 was one of the competition’s star key forwards. I’ve seen a lot of that young Ox in JVR.

Schwarz made his VFL/AFL debut in 1991 and played 6 games for Melbourne that year. I’m comfortable in comparing JVR with the Ox of 1990 - again, that’s not to guarantee that he’ll make it but I’m buoyed by the fact that at the same stage in terms of age, JVR has played senior WAFL games and now kicked multiple goals at VFL level. 

The big question is when will he make his AFL debut. If he was at North Melbourne or  one of the others at the foot of the ladder, he would probably have already played. But the beauty of being at Melbourne, is that he will get the time necessary for him to be physically and mentally prepared when the day comes.

I’m interested in JVR’s height since some people claim that you have to be around 200cm to play as a key position forward. I’ve seen different statistics showing him to be 193, 194 & 195cm.

Looks to be the same height as Weed (195cm)

Amazing recruiting yet again. Just turned 19 and is a unit already. Has good agility and confidence.

he will RUIN some defences in the future

9 minutes ago, Pink Freud said:

I’m interested in JVR’s height since some people claim that you have to be around 200cm to play as a key position forward. I’ve seen different statistics showing him to be 193, 194 & 195cm.

Jack Riewoldt is 193cm and David Schwarz is 195cm. There are plenty of quality key forwards within that range.

16 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Jack Riewoldt is 193cm and David Schwarz is 195cm. There are plenty of quality key forwards within that range.

from the modern era…

Josh Kennedy 194cms 700 goals

Jack Riewoldt 195cms 731 goals

Matthew Lloyd 192cms 926 goals

Nick Riewoldt 193cms 718 goals

Matthew Pavlich 192cms 700 goals

If JVR is good enough being 193+ (assuming he may grow more) then he’s big enough 

That mark he took on the weekend, my goodness he looks special.

I like the set shot routine even for “gimme” shots from closer in front. 
Casey watchers - how is his overall set shot accuracy?  How are his set shots from 50 or so?  
On the run? Snaps? Angles?
Certainly looks the goods in that limited highlight goal blitz.  

Like everyone on here I have high hopes for Jacob van Rooyen and hope that he continues to grow a couple more centimetres, however he already has size ala Darling and has pace and skill and is now starting to show his footy IQ. We will watch this young man with great interest.!!! 

Chris from Camberwell loves him.😁

Awesome performance on the weekend.

His presence up forward for a already strongly built 18 year is pretty scary.

Bit of Aaron Naughton about him.

That mark at 5+ minutes very Schwartesque. Dillon, Parker and Schwarz all rolled into one.

He’s developing well down at Casey. Really making list management decisions easier, or harder depending on your view.

29 minutes ago, bush demon said:

That mark at 5+ minutes very Schwartesque. Dillon, Parker and Schwarz all rolled into one.

Haven't seen enough of JVR yet to say who he is like.  TBH i think he is probably so early in his development we may be seeing a young fella who is only about 50% to 60% formed in terms of his style/skills & methods around the big sticks.  Still learning his craft and working his way through things.

Early days and will probably be his own man, but does remind me (just a tad) of the late Greg Parke.  More so than the Ox.

The Ox is a tough comparison.  Such a natural talent.  Had a nice leap, very good overhead mark yet also incrediblly mobile at ground level.  Bit of a bull with ball in hand.  Beautifully balanced & capable of easily  gathering the loose ground ball & finishing on the run even from 40 to 50 out.  Quite adept by foot on either side which made it very difficult for the opp to counter.  Would have/should have been one of the great CHFs of AFL had he not been crueled so many times.  His 1994 finals efforts were something to behold and i really thought we were a show for the Cup that year had Jakovich not been injured.

Regardless if JVR ends up being near or at the level of either of these Demons we'll have something very special to look forward to.

6 hours ago, bush demon said:

That mark at 5+ minutes very Schwartesque. Dillon, Parker and Schwarz all rolled into one.

Good comparison. I see a lot of Schwarz in JVR. It’s the nuance in their movement - the small things I see. It’s really impressive. I think JVR is the next big thing, and he’s ours, and the league doesn’t even know it. It’s scary to think we could go back to back, and also have the best youth coming through. Nightmare for a list manager but good problem to have 

The chase and tackle for his 5th was the one for me.   

12 hours ago, MoeSyzlak said:

from the modern era…

Josh Kennedy 194cms 700 goals

Jack Riewoldt 195cms 731 goals

Matthew Lloyd 192cms 926 goals

Nick Riewoldt 193cms 718 goals

Matthew Pavlich 192cms 700 goals

If JVR is good enough being 193+ (assuming he may grow more) then he’s big enough 

Yeah. but can any of them play?

First time i've really watched the kid play properly to be honest, but my main take away outside of the 6 goals is physically he looks ready to go and runs really well. 

I reckon he'll make his debut this season, and might be hard to get out of the side.