Farewell Luke Jackson

[The heart beats true 16,074]

The Eagles situation is very, very interesting. They sold their future for Tim Kelly, and now their list profile is horribly out of whack.

Luke is a gun, but they’d have to give up at least 2 potential guns to get him. And then that leaves them further out of whack. Whose he going to be playing with in Perth in 4 years? All their best will be well gone. Meanwhile every list manager is trying to mimic us and get ‘waves’ of players coming through together. They’d be better off trying to turn pick 1 and 19 into say 4, 7 and something early 20’s.

Edited May 16, 2022 by The heart beats true
Schpellin’

[rpfc 27,413]

5 hours ago, willmoy said:

That could do more damage to the Club than letting him go 

What could?

[MrFreeze 1,364]

Even if we went to the draft, the likelihood of finding a tall of his quality is very low. 

We are devoid for young key position/tall talent. 2 first round picks (most likely mids) =/= a high quality developing mobile ruck forward. 

 

I do believe some of our star talent leaving is inevitable at some point in future though 

[Nascent 7,225]

5 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Where would West Coast get a second top 10 pick from? How would Freo get two top 10 picks?

Brayshaw is a free agent, absolute best case scenario is we maybe get pick 19 for him.

Brayshaw is a RFA meaning we can match terms and force a trade. If Cerra is going for pick 6 I think we can easily demand something in that range as well. At least in the 8 - 12 range as he is a little older.

I agree it's hard seeing two top 10 picks for Jackson, particularly since West Coast will need special approval to trade their first round pick since they are required to use it this year. But we can demand a high price for him regardless and I have faith we will get a good deal if Jackson does request a trade, it may have to involve other clubs. If it's freo they will have to get creative as well with their picks in the teens not being anywhere near adequate.

I hope both players stay and render this discussion moot though.

[Demonstone 19,084]

Just now, Nascent said:

I hope both players stay and render this discussion moot though.

Agree with the first bit Nascent, but I would like to see this discussion mute.

There's already another megathread discussing Dogga's future that's all guesswork and speculation.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

4 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Brayshaw is a RFA meaning we can match terms and force a trade. If Cerra is going for pick 6 I think we can easily demand something in that range as well. At least in the 8 - 12 range as he is a little older.

If he does happen to go, I can't see us in our list situation being able to offer anywhere near what a rival will tbh. Pert has already talked about players taking cuts. Cerra is 22 and wasn't a free agent, not sure it's comparable.

  

4 minutes ago, Nascent said:

I agree it's hard seeing two top 10 picks for Jackson, particularly since West Coast will need special approval to trade their first round pick since they are required to use it this year. But we can demand a high price for him regardless and I have faith we will get a good deal if Jackson does request a trade, it may have to involve other clubs.

But a 'good deal' is really dependent on how those picks turn out and what impact they can have to replace the unique things Jackson brings that has seen us win a flag. We're in our window now, sure plan for the future, but maximizing our current list ,including 4 key position players who only have a couple of years left, is vital IMO.

  

4 minutes ago, Nascent said:

I hope both players stay and render this discussion moot though.

100%!

[KingDingAling 3,592]

27 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

The Eagles situation is very, very interesting. They sold their future for Tim Kelly, and now their list profile is horribly out of whack.

Luke is a gun, but they’d have to give up at least 2 potential guns to get him. And then that leaves them further out of whack. Whose he going to be playing with in Perth in 4 years? All their best will be well gone. Meanwhile every list manager is trying to mimic us and get ‘waves’ of players coming through together. They’d be better off trying to turn pick 1 and 19 into say 4, 7 and something early 20’s.

Yep. They aren’t in a position to get Jackson. They need to rebuild. Shelling up quality picks for Jackson would just leave them with a young gun ruck and nothing to surround him with. That isn’t smart trading. They would know this. Doesn’t mean they still won’t do the smart thing. It’s west coast. They have been extremely poor in long term list management.

[Deedubs 157]

Preuss is playing like such a beast at the moment. If we knew Jackson was leaving we would've held onto Preuss. But if we were to lose Jackson I'd rather lose him now than in 2-3 years time. Getting some key position talent for life after May and Ben Brown/Mcdonald etc. would be much needed. 

Van Rooyen looks a 2nd tall to me. 

[darkhorse72 1,720]

If we were just talking about his ruck role, ye, we'd let him go as you can bring in a mature ruck from another club, and if he breaks even you can build around that.  But is value and importance around the ground is immense, that a "ruck" often does not achieve and we should hang onto him as that is what separates him from many other rucks int he comp. 

[daisycutter 28,484]

1 hour ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

You are right of course OD. I seem to recall that Kennedy was reluctant to return to W.A. I'll modify my question:

In the AFL era, how many West Australians have left Victoria willingly, accepting big bucks in their first contract in WA, and had good, long careers? I must admit, I can't think of one.

kelly?

[Queanbeyan Demon 5,912]

9 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

kelly?

I wonder, has he delivered value for money IYO so far Daisycutter? I'd respectfully suggest that the Eagles would be less that satisfied with their return to date.

[daisycutter 28,484]

7 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

I wonder, has he delivered value for money IYO so far Daisycutter? I'd respectfully suggest that the Eagles would be less that satisfied with their return to date.

agree. has been underwhelming (strangely) but was good on sunday

[Queanbeyan Demon 5,912]

5 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

agree. has been underwhelming (strangely) but was good on sunday

I agree Daisycutter.

I s'pose my point is, regarding Jackson, that the examples of players 'going home' by choice to W.A. on significant coin, and delivering against expectations, are limited, if not, non-existent.

[daisycutter 28,484]

9 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

I agree Daisycutter.

I s'pose my point is, regarding Jackson, that the examples of players 'going home' by choice to W.A. on significant coin, and delivering against expectations, are limited, if not, non-existent.

what about the wiz?

i know it was different due to new startups. lots of natives returned to wa/sa when the afl was created, many on good coin.

[Queanbeyan Demon 5,912]

37 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

what about the wiz?

i know it was different due to new startups. lots of natives returned to wa/sa when the afl was created, many on good coin.

Was he the same consistent player at Freeo. I recon his best was played at the Deez. 

[Willmoy1947 3,765]

2 hours ago, rpfc said:

What could?

Yep fair question. I think I meant I would be concerned about the effect on the team harmony with any quality player leaving unless it was done as last course of action to take.

[daisycutter 28,484]

2 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Was he the same consistent player at Freeo. I recon his best was played at the Deez. 

i reckon he was better at the dees, but he did give good service to freo. i'm bias of course

[Demon3 2,541]

This has all gone very quiet. Im hoping we hear that there is significant movement soon.. its r11 and he has no contract for next year.. should we be starting to get a little bit worried?

[Salems Lot 2,367]

Wait till the bye I reckon

[Demonstone 19,084]

Demonland if Jackson hasn't re-signed by the time our bye comes along ...

[Deemania since 56 6,131]

On 5/5/2022 at 8:28 PM, Deeko2 said:

If we offered him a long term contract right now it would be for peanuts as we wouldn't have significant amounts of cap space.  

Also, you can't offer a kid long term deals based on potential.  Yes he has shown some great moments and we're all excited by what he might bring but you save that kind of cap space and contract term for your proven A Graders.  Gawn, Trac, Salem and what will definitely be Clarry next year.

2-3 years protects both parties as if he's good enough then and taking the league by storm, he'll demand an even bigger contract which we'd find a way to get sorted.  I'd rather gamble on the fact that once he's a gun we need to pay overs to retain him rather than paying someone overs now based on potential.

Like it or lump it, there is every chance he could be a man child and may have peaked early in his career like a Darling or Hogan.  Or even someone like Rory Lobb who, without meaning to offend, is just a solid B grader..

I'd rather us lose a player who has the potential to be great over one that is already great and proven (Clarry next year).

TMac will have to retire, soon. Same with the Melk. Gawny is getting on in years, Hibberd is, as well. Even May and BB are pushing a great deal out of their Weet Bix. The font of human kindness and cash does actually have a starting date in the near future; at that moment, we could be offering Jackson more than the Eagles ever would. He's a home-boy and the MFC has provided him with security and far more than just a roof over his head. He won't be tempted, elsewhere.

[olisik 4,060]

Way over rated right now, if we can get 2 first rounders we should run for the hills.

Use one on Mac Andrew and the other for our midfield depth. We fall off a cliff with Oliver and Petracca neutralised and need more talent in the guts. 

[rpfc 27,413]

So the ignore feature doesn’t extend to threads…

Huh.

[BrisbaneDemon 1,493]

6 minutes ago, olisik said:

Way over rated right now, if we can get 2 first rounders we should run for the hills.

Use one on Mac Andrew and the other for our midfield depth. We fall off a cliff with Oliver and Petracca neutralised and need more talent in the guts. 

Is this the first time you have posted in 17 weeks? Give us a rest troll.  One bad game and you’re jumping at shadows.  Make sure Mum tucks you in nice and tight tonight.

[WERRIDEE 5,206]

8 minutes ago, olisik said:

Way over rated right now, if we can get 2 first rounders we should run for the hills.

Use one on Mac Andrew and the other for our midfield depth. We fall off a cliff with Oliver and Petracca neutralised and need more talent in the guts. 

I agree with you. West Coast number 1 pick sounds nice.