Hopefully it's the 2nd rounder tied to Norf coming back

He'll be playing for the giants by 2026 anyways

  On 09/10/2022 at 11:04, Bay Riffin said:

what a disappointing rubbish deal that is for us.. Not even a top 10 pick. For al lthe talk of a generational player, rising star etc and we are doing this deal early without making them sweat. 

 

I don't get it we had Cerra wanting to come to us but we didn't have a high pick. Now Freo have no top 10 and don't have to come up with anything. two late first rounders. What a joke. 

 

 

 

Cerra was always going to Carlton. We came to the party late, and he gave us the courtesy of a meeting.

Honestly, pick 13, a future first tied to Freo (somewhere around 7-14 most likely), and North's future second (19 very likely) is pretty good currency even if we have to send something back. I feel like draft picks are overvalued at this time of year but that's as good as we're going to get. It sucks a bit but that's the market. 

I loved Dogga and do think he'll be a superstar, but there are a lot more "generational" players out there than there are generations themselves! There are two 'generational' players this period changing clubs alone. 

 

  On 09/10/2022 at 06:11, adonski said:

Not that it matters, but I don't think their offer is 'fair' 

Whether you think Jackson is a potential superstar, or will 'only' be a good player, it's hard to argue he hasn't at least maintained his original draft value of pick 3

Pick 13 + Pick (12-18?) wouldn't net pick 3 in a trade

If the argument is purely about him being out of contract, why don't they just offer pick 50?

Totally agree so the AFL are to blame as it’s very clear that we are not been compensated accordingly and situation is pathetic when a club is put over a barrel & are forced to accept a below par offer or get nothing!

  On 09/10/2022 at 11:31, Demonsone said:

Freo got us over a barrel as they know WC want give up their pick 2

I wonder hie Jackson is feeling knowing the crappy outcome for the MFC 

he'll probably feel sad for a couple of microseconds then head off to kfc to celebrate with his mates. mum might come along too.

  On 09/10/2022 at 11:41, mo64 said:

 

Cerra was always going to Carlton. We came to the party late, and he gave us the courtesy of a meeting.

thats not correct. 

Negatives: we’ve been forced to hand over a great asset for very little compensation. 
 

Positives: this thread might close tomorrow 

  On 09/10/2022 at 08:13, SA Red n Blue said:

I have, as would most people. But I’ve never had my mummy call the shots & make my adult decisions for me. What pathetic grown man can’t live just a several hour plane flight away from their parents. Christ people earning $50k a year live in different states & clearly manage.

I don't know about the mother thing but the rest of it seems true 

These guys get paid wild amounts of money to play as professionals in what is basically an insignificant suburban sporting contest at the irrelevant end of the world.

The least they can do is to actually be professional...understand that you have tick all the boxes to justify the pay packet.

Swings and roundabouts 

It's not just Jackson , it's pretty much the lot of them.

 

  On 09/10/2022 at 11:59, Bay Riffin said:

thats not correct. 

Demonland is the only place where people think that Cerra wanted to come to Melbourne.

Looks pretty light against what North stood to receive for Horne-Francis (before the deal got scuppered by the AFL).

NORTH MELBOURNE
Trade out: Jason Horne-Francis, pick No.1, 2023 third-round pick (tied to Fremantle)
Trade in: Picks No.2, 3, 2023 future first-round pick (tied to Port Adelaide), 33, 53

Effectively would have been swapping P1 for P2 and P53 for a future third (Freo) but receiving P3, future first (Port) and P33.

Doubt there would be too many clubs valuing H-F > Jackson at this stage so will be a shame if we can’t do better than what’s been reported.

  On 09/10/2022 at 11:50, Bang Bang Bang said:

Honestly, pick 13, a future first tied to Freo (somewhere around 7-14 most likely), and North's future second (19 very likely) is pretty good currency even if we have to send something back. I feel like draft picks are overvalued at this time of year but that's as good as we're going to get. It sucks a bit but that's the market. 

I loved Dogga and do think he'll be a superstar, but there are a lot more "generational" players out there than there are generations themselves! There are two 'generational' players this period changing clubs alone. 

 

Picks are overvalued so we possibly won't be getting enough if Jackson turns out to be a stellar player

But, what are the chances of that happening? Who knows? I have my doubts

A lot of self improvement is needed by Jackson ... especially with regards to his marking and getting to enough contests ... related to possession numbers. He disappeared a lot in games this year and that's hard to do when rucking

He (LJ) regressed this season and was often quite a disappointment with his output.  Weighing it all up we might still do quite well when considering that we've got a recruiter with the midas touch with regards to the use of 1st and 2nd round picks

Drafted Oliver, Salem, Petracca, Brayshaw, Kossie as well as the use of 1st rounders on Lever & May

And we've done extra well using 2nd round picks on established talent or through the draft ... Langdon, Hibberd, Melksham, Sparrow, Bowie, Jordon, Ben Brown etc etc (JVR & Lawrie are showing promise as well)

And our recruiting has to be judged over a number of seasons (at least 4 or 5 years) Not just one off season ... but it has to be said we don't often miss these days anyway

As an example compare our recruiting from 2005 - 2011 as opposed to 2012 - 2018.  It's like chalk and cheese and the latter time period led to a flag

The former time period led to nothing but misery.  Bust after bust after bust

So there's no point sweating the small stuff (one 2nd round pick here or there)

 

  On 09/10/2022 at 12:06, IRW said:

I don't know about the mother thing but the rest of it seems true 

These guys get paid wild amounts of money to play as professionals in what is basically an insignificant suburban sporting contest at the irrelevant end of the world.

The least they can do is to actually be professional...understand that you have tick all the boxes to justify the pay packet.

Swings and roundabouts 

It's not just Jackson , it's pretty much the lot of them.

 

In the 80s and 90s the "go home" factor seemed to have more to do with partners and just wanting to raise a family where the player grew up. These days it does seem more to do with going home to mummy. It's the generation. Anyone born post-1995 has basically lived in the womb well into their 20s. I have a bunch of direct reports all born in the late 90s and early 2000s, these kids get "anxiety" if you dare ask them to not arrive an hour late. And god forbid you don't recognise their one month of good performance (after 10 months of [censored] performance mind you)... 

Tempting to go on a spiel about the merits (or lack of) of “homesickness”, but wherever you stand on it as a reason for leaving a club (and a successful, nurturing one at that) after three years, you would have to agree that it’s a syndrome that isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. 
 

In many ways, the MFC were extremely lucky to get what we got out of Jackson in the short time we had him. We were fortunate that 2023 wasn’t going to be the season where he was finally cherry-ripe and ready to help bring a club his first premiership, after three years of hard work with (and from) us. But many clubs will not be as lucky with their draft selections, and many will feel the sting of sending one home without the dividends of investment. I think the “go-home” factor though, is going to be more prevalent in the future than in past times. Younger folk in general these days are more autonomous than in past generations (some might prefer the more denigrating term “entitled”). The focus on  individual needs has never been sharper. The mindset of “Hey man, at the end of the day, make sure that YOU are looking after YOURself” is a curiously virtuous vibe these days. On the one hand it has it’s merits, but taken too far and it can easily drift into good old fashioned selfishness. The NBA is a pretty strong example of the individualistic mindset seeping into team sports, and many of the current generation of AFL players look to the NBA with much admiration and aspiration. The “bleed for the club” mentality may very well become rarer than we would like. 

The solution can’t be to enforce young players to live away from their hometowns longer than they want to. That’s obviously just inhumane. But if this is something clubs genuinely want to avoid, then recruiters might want to prioritise looking for their future stars a little closer to home. 
 

 

Edited October 9, 20222 yr by Mel Bourne

  On 09/10/2022 at 12:37, Radar Detector said:

Doubt there would be too many clubs valuing H-F > Jackson at this stage so will be a shame if we can’t do better than what’s been reported.

2 things - JHF is still contracted and Port are willing to pay a fair price for him.

  On 09/10/2022 at 12:42, praha said:

In the 80s and 90s the "go home" factor seemed to have more to do with partners and just wanting to raise a family where the player grew up. These days it does seem more to do with going home to mummy. It's the generation. Anyone born post-1995 has basically lived in the womb well into their 20s. I have a bunch of direct reports all born in the late 90s and early 2000s, these kids get "anxiety" if you dare ask them to not arrive an hour late. And god forbid you don't recognise their one month of good performance (after 10 months of [censored] performance mind you)... 

Ok boomer.

  On 09/10/2022 at 13:12, Axis of Bob said:

Ok boomer.

Young people who still say “ok boomer” are the boomers of young people. 

Anyone familiar with the NHL? I believe the salary cap and trading setup is what the AFL needs to emulate.

A third year player like Jackson, out of contract, would be a restricted free agent. If freo offer him a big contract we have option to match it. If he walks, we get compensated based on the contract.

If he were contracted and the team he wanted to get to doesn't have the ability to satisfy the controlling team in a trade, then bad luck, you can go somewhere else or stay.

Also, the AFL needs to remove the PSD. Why does this even exist? If a team cannot be satisfied by the destination club, the player should return to original club under a standard one year contract. If this were the situation, Freo would have to offer something reasonable. Currently they have no incentive to pay market value for LJ.

  On 09/10/2022 at 14:01, Surfer Dee said:

Anyone familiar with the NHL? I believe the salary cap and trading setup is what the AFL needs to emulate.

A third year player like Jackson, out of contract, would be a restricted free agent. If freo offer him a big contract we have option to match it. If he walks, we get compensated based on the contract.

If he were contracted and the team he wanted to get to doesn't have the ability to satisfy the controlling team in a trade, then bad luck, you can go somewhere else or stay.

Also, the AFL needs to remove the PSD. Why does this even exist? If a team cannot be satisfied by the destination club, the player should return to original club under a standard one year contract. If this were the situation, Freo would have to offer something reasonable. Currently they have no incentive to pay market value for LJ.

First you would have to remove a players right to refuse to go. Turn them into walking contracts. We will get there but I don’t know the timeframes for that. 

There’s a lot to reform in the system but the hate in here and the bitterness is unbecoming. 

We won the flag a year ago - shift your mindset people - no one is out to get you!

We'll get a good player with 13. 

I think Freo will regress nest year so their F1 will be a good pick as well

In Jason Taylor I trust

I think as always we need to wait till the draft night to see how well we did, I’m sure we will be trading these picks for higher ones, 

While i do understand Jackson is uncontracted and could walk for nothing, and we have had some pretty generous compensation with players leaving in the past (Chip Frawley comes to mind), this trade will leave a bitter taste in our mouths.

We should take it and move on, but i have zero sympathy for Failo, i hope they fail miserably.

Lets hope we can do something with the picks

  On 09/10/2022 at 12:37, Radar Detector said:

Looks pretty light against what North stood to receive for Horne-Francis (before the deal got scuppered by the AFL).

NORTH MELBOURNE
Trade out: Jason Horne-Francis, pick No.1, 2023 third-round pick (tied to Fremantle)
Trade in: Picks No.2, 3, 2023 future first-round pick (tied to Port Adelaide), 33, 53

Effectively would have been swapping P1 for P2 and P53 for a future third (Freo) but receiving P3, future first (Port) and P33.

Doubt there would be too many clubs valuing H-F > Jackson at this stage so will be a shame if we can’t do better than what’s been reported.

It is as much about the AFL rules (inability to trade players to clubs without approval) as it is about Freo.

If there was an actual threat the Jackson could have gone to WCE, we would have gotten a better deal. But the reality is that he was only ever going to Failo.

 

If my hunch that Freo won't make the top 8 next year is correct, there may not be a lot of difference between NM F2 and Freo F2.

  On 09/10/2022 at 13:12, Axis of Bob said:

Ok boomer.

I was born in 86 lol