4 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

I think we’ve been very unlucky with how this has played out as a club. In normal situations he’s back and forth whenever he can, and he’s living in Melbourne experiencing a new place and all the great cultural things it offers. His family is visiting 5-6 times a year and seeing their son play at The G in front of 50,000 people as a guest of the club.

Instead he was living though horrific lockdowns and seeing his mates at home go to the beach, and talk [censored] about Victoria. WA lived virtually untouched by the pandemic for 2 years. I honestly think this is a huge factor in his thinking, and the pressure he’d be getting from his family and friends.

Let’s not forget that the pandemic has constituted 50% of Luke’s entire adult life.

It also resulted in him living In WA from early September when we went across before the prelim all way until the new year.  I’m guessing it was about 4 months in WA.

In a normal year he might’ve had a quick pit stop home in early October, gone overseas for a few weeks after that as footballers generally do, back to Melbourne for Nov/Dec preseason and then really only home for 2 weeks or so at Xmas.

Is it WA or Freo ? We are lulled into thinking it’s Freo or bust. Last I checked there are two clubs in WA, both fulfill the go home factor. 

If I was Tim Lamb, I’m picking up the phone to the Eagles everyday telling him how good LJ is and that we’d take their 1st pick and some steak knives (be it a player or their 2nd rounder as well). 

5 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

What was the Tim Kelly deal?  Throwing all in to get one player has set them back considerably. 

9 first rd picks 🤣🤣

5 minutes ago, CYB said:

Is it WA or Freo ? We are lulled into thinking it’s Freo or bust. Last I checked there are two clubs in WA, both fulfill the go home factor. 

If I was Tim Lamb, I’m picking up the phone to the Eagles everyday telling him how good LJ is and that we’d take their 1st pick and some steak knives (be it a player or their 2nd rounder as well). 

Players pick their team not the state. 

20 hours ago, The Jackson 6 said:

And he replied?! Replied to a supporter from an opposition club poking him on a deal he just did?

Yes. I just wanted to let him know what a good player they had snared in Hogan. His email is [email protected]

You can email anyone in the league using the same formula. Roosy emailed me too when he was coach of Melbourne.

5 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

The same for me, my whole family is back in Mexico. I just came back from seeing my family last month, how good is that!!

Stoked for you! In September I'll get to see my family for first time in 4 years. That's a decent contract's worth of time, Jacko

1 hour ago, AmDamDemon said:

Stoked for you! In September I'll get to see my family for first time in 4 years. That's a decent contract's worth of time, Jacko

Really happy for you, AmDam. Four years between visits is so long. Enjoy the precious time with your family. 💕

23 hours ago, bush demon said:

That was a shocking thing Ron did, blind-siding the whole club.

Rubbish, disloyalty to Norm Smith a major factor!

1 hour ago, AmDamDemon said:

Stoked for you! In September I'll get to see my family for first time in 4 years. That's a decent contract's worth of time, Jacko

Sounds like a dream to me, All my family live in Victoria… I try and avoid them 😂

 

 

But seriously, enjoy that.

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

Players pick their team not the state. 

Tom Papley picked Carlton, last I looked he is still in Sydney at the Swans!

1 hour ago, AmDamDemon said:

Stoked for you! In September I'll get to see my family for first time in 4 years. That's a decent contract's worth of time, Jacko

Very happy for you, that's awesome 😀

11 hours ago, Jibroni said:

If Lobb joins GWS they may give up a reasonable pick to Freo to secure him, particularly if GWS lose Taranto or Hopper. 

That could work in a Three way trade.

2 hours ago, Demons11 said:

Players pick their team not the state. 

Yeah but it’s clubs that release them from their contracts. 

AS far as I’m concerned he says he wants to be closer to family and the Eagles can also make that possible. They have a better draft hand so id put that to Peter Bell  and say come to us with something palatable or don’t waste our time. 

Worst case is LJ signs with us for another 2. He still won’t become a RFA or FA at the end of that, so we can happily do the same again.
 

43 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

That could work in a Three way trade.

A three way may be just the thing to keep him here.

7 hours ago, In Harmes Way said:

To be fair, we approached Adam Cerra last year despite the fact we didn't have much to offer Freo.

And Cerra ended up nominating Carlton - the equivalent here is Jackson telling Freo he's nominating the Eagles.

1 hour ago, D4Life said:

Tom Papley picked Carlton, last I looked he is still in Sydney at the Swans!

Papley was still contracted.

9 hours ago, Macca said:

I don't begrudge LJ wanting to move for money (and to go home) but at the same time we don't want to lose him.  There's a decent chance he will blossom into a star (has all the attributes)

But I expect the club to play hard ball especially if his future salary elsewhere is in the top bracket

Paying big money = quite a sizeable trade value

We have a recruiter with the midas touch but even so, drafting is flawed and you don't always get what you want.  Busts happen as a matter of course despite all the good intentions

I'd want 3 picks inside the top 20

Something like picks 5, 10 & 18.  That should just about do it unless there is some established talent attached to a trade

So can Freo come up with the goods?  With some creative & exhaustive trading they can but both clubs (Demons & Freo) might already know how it's all going to work out

People can say what they like, however he’s going to be a star . We need to hold firm and play hard. 
 

For mine we’re giving one of our best up and comers to a premiership rival . But he’s also a tall and we all know how hard they are to find and the value they hold. My price is Hayden Young and a first rounder.

Hold firm on this and we will get it. We have a player greatful  to the club who doesn’t want us to lose out, and will sign short term if the deal isn’t right. We actually really hold the upper hand 

3 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

People can say what they like, however he’s going to be a star . We need to hold firm and play hard. 
 

For mine we’re giving one of our best up and comers to a premiership rival . But he’s also a tall and we all know how hard they are to find and the value they hold. My price is Hayden Young and a first rounder.

Hold firm on this and we will get it. We have a player greatful  to the club who doesn’t want us to lose out, and will sign short term if the deal isn’t right. We actually really hold the upper hand 

When faced with a loss it's natural for many here to mark down his ability & potential

But we saw a real glimpse of his ability against the Lions ... suddenly he was the main man which eventuated in 22 disposals, 9 tackles and 18 hit outs.  I'm sure Freo were watching too

Agree with your post, PSD

7 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

People can say what they like, however he’s going to be a star . We need to hold firm and play hard. 
 

For mine we’re giving one of our best up and comers to a premiership rival . But he’s also a tall and we all know how hard they are to find and the value they hold. My price is Hayden Young and a first rounder.

Hold firm on this and we will get it. We have a player greatful  to the club who doesn’t want us to lose out, and will sign short term if the deal isn’t right. We actually really hold the upper hand 

Says who?

9 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

People can say what they like, however he’s going to be a star . We need to hold firm and play hard. 
 

For mine we’re giving one of our best up and comers to a premiership rival . But he’s also a tall and we all know how hard they are to find and the value they hold. My price is Hayden Young and a first rounder.

Hold firm on this and we will get it. We have a player greatful  to the club who doesn’t want us to lose out, and will sign short term if the deal isn’t right. We actually really hold the upper hand 

Agree.

why any Melb supporter would facepalm this is beyond me. 

18 hours ago, In Harmes Way said:

To be fair, we approached Adam Cerra last year despite the fact we didn't have much to offer Freo.

It sounds like Freo are approaching multiple players though, which is different from just approaching Jackson or us just approaching Cerra. 

I hope he stays but not at any price. 

Its looking like the CBA will not return a massive cap increase as the new TV rights deal has been hit by the recent economic headwinds. The irony is that the WA clubs are insisting their games be broadcast free to air which will lower the upper end of the deal and thus limit the CBA increase. 

Mega deals sometimes work out but they do impact on your options. Just because he will be an excellent player and they can get him on the coming home factor doesn't mean its a good move by Freo. Likewise there must be a point at which no matter how good he is we can't mortgage the future just to keep him. I think we have just sent a message to our whole team that we place team first. 

Looking at the player of the year votes to the right of the screen 31 votes must cause some pause on the big dollars despite his obvious potential. He could have the impact of a Max but probably never the impact in games of a Trac or Clarry.

20 hours ago, Macca said:

Except Cameron was a lot older than LJ when he was traded ... so there's length of service at the new club to be factored in.  And that's quite significant

But the thrust of your argument is quite sound, Colm

I'd be wanting more back even though LJ is not in the same bracket as Cameron (yet)

A 6 year deal elsewhere for LJ would take him to age 26/27 ... so if he turns up trumps he's got (potentially) another 6 or 7 years after that contract

If LJ gets to B+ status or better elsewhere, that effectively means he plays elsewhere at that level for 13 or 14 years.  Players play longer these days

That's got to be worth a good deal for us coming back our way, all things considered

We need to be acting like real estate agents ... get the maximum return!

(That is of course if LJ is on the move ... a stalemate looming is another outcome)

Your probably right in terms of Jackson being worth a bit more than Cameron. Cameron was a proven key forward and had won the Coleman, but Jackson has a rising star and a premiership. It’s also hard for Freo to argue that Jackson is still unproven  when they are offering him such a big contract. 
The only problem with that is apart from the maybe a player like Meek being included in the deal it hard to see what more Freo would be able to give us. 
Also GWS matched the offer for Cameron. I don’t think we will match the offer Jackson. 
At this stage I’d be happy to get 3 first round picks even if none of them were inside 10. I would be even happier if Freo doesn’t win another game this season  and their draft selection gets better. 

15 hours ago, AmDamDemon said:

Stoked for you! In September I'll get to see my family for first time in 4 years. That's a decent contract's worth of time, Jacko

Thats great!  I'm seeing my family for the first time in about that long too, also in September.

I leave just after the first final, so I'm praying to the footy gods that we either get a home game or are playing another VIC side.

1 hour ago, 1964_2 said:

Agree.

why any Melb supporter would facepalm this is beyond me. 

The facepalm was for 2 reasons. Firstly, Jackson isn't worth Hayden Young and a first rounder, and Freo aren't trading away their guns who are locked in long term. Do you think we'll play some stupid game of putting in ambit claims? Our recent list management has always been about getting deals done, and moving on so that other deals can be brokered.

Secondly, as I replied, there is no evidence that Jackson will re-sign for 2 years if we don't get what we want. Our best case scenario is that Jackson's management have told Freo that the Dees have been respectful to Jackson, and fair compensation is warranted. 

Two 1st rounders (both in the teens + steak knives) or a 1st round pick in the top 10 and a 2nd rd pick + steak knives.

I've never known a club that's lost an uncontracted player that's "held the upper hand" in trade negotiations.