Farewell Luke Jackson

[rpfc 28,220]

3 minutes ago, praha said:

Imagine how much the narrative has swayed. We went from Jackson staying, to Jackson going, to Brayshaw staying, to Brayshaw going, to Brayshaw ACTUALLY staying, and now suddenly the media is hinting that Jackson could still stay...

We should have learnt after the Dusty fiasco in 2017. No one really knows outside of the player themselves and almost always, anything in the media is mostly planted news tidbits to fuel the negotiation. 

In fairness, that narrative was moulded by collective hand wringing on here by some of the more ‘susceptible’ posters…

Essentially, the inmates started a panic, got bloodied, and then sat back after and complained about how easy it was for them to panic and more should have been done to stop themselves from panicking.

[von 1,559]

3 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

In 5 years is Luke Jackson a ruckman or a key forward? 

In 5 years he is playing consistent football as a forward/Ruck but it took him 4 years to get there. Currently I see him as a burst player with lots of learning to come. Huge ceiling, no guarantees he gets there.

[dazzledavey36 54,064]

4 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

In 5 years is Luke Jackson a ruckman or a key forward? 

Ruckman.

A potential to be an elite A grade ruckman that is.

His forward craft still needs significant work and it'll come with improvement, but it's his ruckwork that will set him apart.

[layzie 33,718]

6 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

In 5 years is Luke Jackson a ruckman or a key forward? 

I'd probably say a ruckman in the mould of Nankervis but much much better. 

[Sir Why You Little 36,884]

9 minutes ago, praha said:

Imagine how much the narrative has swayed. We went from Jackson staying, to Jackson going, to Brayshaw staying, to Brayshaw going, to Brayshaw ACTUALLY staying, and now suddenly the media is hinting that Jackson could still stay...

We should have learnt after the Dusty fiasco in 2017. No one really knows outside of the player themselves and almost always, anything in the media is mostly planted news tidbits to fuel the negotiation. 

It is what i have said all along, it has ALL Been Media Speculation, regardless of the Final outcome 

The Media speculation becomes the daily story and they all feed off each other 

[daisycutter 29,595]

8 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

In 5 years is Luke Jackson a ruckman or a key forward? 

could be a winger like dipper?

[Deetention 86]

In my opinion, Jackson will sign a two year deal with the Dees...

Why...? Fremantle don’t have the Picks to land him this year. And Jackson will do right by the Dees and not walk to West Coast in the pre-season draft for nothing...! 

If Jackson is going to WA. He is going to West Coast for Pick 2 and there future 1st rounder and possibly a fringe forward or ruck.

[Mincho Mania 530]

8 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Definitely not a key forward. 

Also too short to be a power ruck.

But the answer IMO is a ruck.

I'd like to see him played as a midfielder

[praha 11,226]

11 minutes ago, rpfc said:

In fairness, that narrative was moulded by collective hand wringing on here by some of the more ‘susceptible’ posters…

Essentially, the inmates started a panic, got bloodied, and then sat back after and complained about how easy it was for them to panic and more should have been done to stop themselves from panicking.

Hey!

 

 

I'm not susceptible. 

[layzie 33,718]

Just now, Deetention said:

In my opinion, Jackson will sign a two year deal with the Dees...

Why...? Fremantle don’t have the Picks to land him this year. And Jackson will do right by the Dees and not walk to West Coast in the pre-season draft for nothing...! 

If Jackson is going to WA. He is going to West Coast for Pick 2 and there future 1st rounder and possibly a fringe forward or ruck.

If he signs a two year deal with us though is it just a 'pre-contract' for Freo? We'll get to this time next year with a Horne Francis scenario where there's a year to go but he may want out. Obviously a lot can happen in that time though and he might meet a nice young lass or just realise Melb is the pinnacle of the universe. 

[Redleg 40,772]

54 minutes ago, old55 said:

Freo's 1st, Treacy and Meek - we could do worse ...

But we don't have to.

I would insist on at least their first and if they get the Dog's 10 for Lobbe that one too.

Or they can use theirs, the Lobb pick and Logue pick, to try and get a top 2 pick plus something back to them.

It depends on what JT sees as our target in the draft.

We could get Treacy, Meek and say 14 and 10.

It is going to be an interesting trade period for us.

 

[monoccular 17,401]

24 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

In 5 years is Luke Jackson a ruckman or a key forward? 

Midfield or wing?

[Lucifers Hero 39,302]

3 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

No decision will be made until our season is over, which I believe a fair few posters have mentioned now. Richo talks about it here (about 5:30 in).

 

I like that Richardson said that, effectively putting a protective ring around him.

The comment that there won't be an answer until the season is over, suggests to the media: stop asking.   Hopefully, everyone at the club follows that cue.

The circus is not Jackson's doing.  Hopefully, others (his manager, freo people etc) now also 'go to ground' so to speak.

He added that in chats with Jackson the club has said to him don't worry about the contract just play the best you can for the rest of the season, giving him some breathing space. 

I'm sue all on here would be happy for this to die down until our season is done and for now just let the kid play (and help us win another premiership).

[layzie 33,718]

2 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I like that Richardson said that, effectively putting a protective ring around him.

The comment that there won't be an answer until the season is over, suggests to the media: stop asking.   Hopefully, everyone at the club follows that cue.

The circus is not Jackson's doing.  Hopefully, others (his manager, freo people etc) now also 'go to ground' so to speak.

He added that in chats with Jackson the club has said to him don't worry about the contract just play the best you can for the rest of the season, giving him some breathing space. 

I'm sue all on here would be happy for this to die down until our season is done and for now just let the kid play (and help us win another premiership).

Pretty much exactly how I would have expected the club to act with him right now. 

[Lucifers Hero 39,302]

1 minute ago, layzie said:

Pretty much exactly how I would have expected the club to act with him right now. 

We may see a new re energised Jackson this week! 🙃

[Demonstone 22,175]

Hopefully with as much energy as this Jacko!

[Clintosaurus 7,807]

46 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

It is what i have said all along, it has ALL Been Media Speculation, regardless of the Final outcome 

The Media speculation becomes the daily story and they all feed off each other 

And they want players to change clubs, as it keeps AFL on the back page and the TV news over the Spring Racing Carnival and cricket season.

[Sir Why You Little 36,884]

2 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

And they want players to change clubs, as it keeps AFL on the back page and the TV news over the Spring Racing Carnival and cricket season.

Sure. Imagine if Franklin had stayed at the Hawks. 100’s of vultures would be unemployed 

[Fat Tony 5,216]

6 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Hopefully with as much energy as this Jacko!

He's not an animal

He's not an animal

He's a unicorn!

[Demon17 5,146]

58 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Definitely not a key forward. 

Also too short to be a power ruck.

But the answer IMO is a ruck.

Exactky what kane Cornes thinks also.

Again this week he said LJ is NOT what Freo needs.

He's  not a forward, has no forward craft, he's a No.1 ruck.  They have Darcy, a 24 year old star, why do they want Luke.?

[layzie 33,718]

The original unicorn

[Demonstone 22,175]

He certainly was an individual!   

 

[Bonkers 994]

1 hour ago, Larry, Moe or Curly said:

I'd like to see him played as a midfielder

Yeh I agree, 30-50% game time as a ruck and 30-50% game time as a mid. With Geelong now playing Blicavs on the ball more it will certainly give them something else to think about around the ground and at Centre Clearances if we played Dogga in that role. If he can work on his endurance he'd be pretty formidable around the ground with a higher percentage of game time. There's no reason he couldn't turn into an old fashion ruck rover, he is good below his knees and a tough match up aerially. Rather than focus on his short comings as a ruck it would be better for us to focus on his strengths and what other line ups can't come to terms with. Lets hope he stays.

[Macca 16,900]

Some good points being made by @DeeSpencer& @JimmyGadson

about replenishing the list with quality youth whilst we are in the window ... and because Taylor has the midas touch we shouldn't be too concerned about drafting 18yo's when applicable (and draftees don't impact the salary cap in the first 2 years) 

But Taylor's history here is that he will use draft picks on established talent as well ... so we've had a good mix of recruits in the last 10 years (talented youth & talented experience)

The question is what are we going to get in return if LJ departs?  (and I hope he stays)

If we drive a hard bargain we could end up with a decent hand at the draft table ... or, if it came to it, a decent established player or 2 might come our way

I value LJ based on my evaluation on his future as well as the salary it looks like he might command elsewhere

He's a valuable commodity and we need proper compensation in a trade if it goes that way

But again, I'm hoping for a stalemate with LJ staying on for at least 2 more years with us (I'm assuming a decent offer has been put forward for his services)

 

Edited July 28, 2022 by Macca

[mo64 5,843]

The 1st time I heard the "unicorn" tag it was used to describe draftee NBA player Kristaps Porzingis. He was drafted no.4 overall as a 7 ft 3 centre, but what made him a unicorn was his ability to shoot 3 pointers. Had a great start to his career, but after 7 seasons he's now at his 3rd club. He's had his share of big scoring games and his share of injuries, but the biggest criticism of him is that he doesn't do what is expected of a big man in the NBA. He's not a good rebounder and doesn't use his size to be a good defender. The "unicorn" tag was all hype.

This brings me to Jackson. His greatest strength as a big man is his ability at ground level. That's why he's tagged as a "unicorn". He's a developing ruckman, and I think he can become an elite tap ruckman, in the Nik Nat mould. If he reaches Nik Nat's standards, that puts him in the elite ruckman status. But as a big, I'd say he's a poor mark even for his age. I thought he took a big step last year with his marking, but has regressed this year.

So how do people project his career, and his impact on the team, regardless of whether he stays or goes. For the next potentially 3-5 years, he'll be playing 2nd fiddle to Max or Darcy.

IMO, he can only earn the "unicorn" tag if he becomes an elite contested mark.