32 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

It's been explained now, so that's not my problem anymore mate.

Because from what we can tell, the trade was shutdown by Cerra and his agent as they couldn't see how MFC could get the deal done. Would be too much of a risk for them not getting a deal done and Cerra having to stay (which if you've watched the series is a pretty devastating outcome for Bobby Hill). The agents are way more involved in facilitating trades it seems judging by the doco.

I agree Jackson would be worth more than Cerra.

As I mention above, perhaps Jackson wasn't in a panic go get out in 2021. This is 100% just a thought, an idea, not sure how much more I can clarify that before certain posters start getting 'upset'.

put it to rest......please

come back when you have some facts to talk about

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

put it to rest......please

come back when you have some facts to talk about

I'm not the one who has kept it going.

Demonland, clearly, isn't just for facts.

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

It's been explained now, so that's not my problem anymore mate.

Because from what we can tell, the trade was shutdown by Cerra and his agent as they couldn't see how MFC could get the deal done. Would be too much of a risk for them not getting a deal done and Cerra having to stay (which if you've watched the series is a pretty devastating outcome for Bobby Hill). The agents are way more involved in facilitating trades it seems judging by the doco.

I agree Jackson would be worth more than Cerra.

As I mention above, perhaps Jackson wasn't in a panic go get out in 2021. This is 100% just a thought, an idea, not sure how much more I can clarify that before certain posters start getting 'upset'.

So the agent guessed that Jackson wasn't on the table and they decided not to explore the deal further and moved straight to Carlton. Don't you think there would have been some more detailed conversations happening that weren't shown? The scenario you present is more than a stretch. Hell... It's more than a giant leap.

Wouldn't the more likely scenario been that the agent asked the Demons what they were going to offer and that Jackson didn't come up in the conversation because he had no intention of leaving?

I'm done with this. 

9 minutes ago, BAMF said:

So the agent guessed that Jackson wasn't on the table and they decided not to explore the deal further and moved straight to Carlton. Don't you think there would have been some more detailed conversations happening that weren't shown? The scenario you present is more than a stretch. Hell... It's more than a giant leap.

Wouldn't the more likely scenario been that the agent asked the Demons what they were going to offer and that Jackson didn't come up in the conversation because he had no intention of leaving?

I'm done with this. 

What do you think we planned on trading to get Cerra then?

31 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

What do you think we planned on trading to get Cerra then?

Peanuts.

On 3/11/2022 at 9:25 PM, Lord Nev said:

Watching "Show Me The Money" and they've covered MFC  doing the "best presentation I've ever seen" (Robbie D'orazio) to Cerra. Not explicitly said, but insinuated a fair few times that they only didn't pick Melbourne because they thought they wouldn't be able to get the deal done. Dees basically said 'don't worry about that' in regards to how they'd get the deal done, which makes me a tiny bit worried about Jackson, but hopefully the agents not thinking Melbourne could get the deal done means Dogga indicated he wanted to stay.

I've read this post and the subsequent discussion.

As I understand it, your concern is that Jackson may have indicated to the club that he wants to go home, and that based on that indication we told Cerra's camp "don't worry about that" when they asked how we'd get the deal done.

This makes no sense.

If the club was of the view that Jackson wanted to go home, and Cerra was into us, why wouldn't we have made it clear to Cerra's camp that a deal was capable of being done because we'd offer Fremantle Jackson? 

Cerra ruled us out because we couldn't provide anything that they thought Fremantle would want. The only logical conclusion that can be drawn from that is that Jackson was never on the table. If he was, things wouldn't have played out like they did. In turn, that rules out your concern that Jackson might have indicated to the club that he wants to go home.

An alternative explanation for the "don't worry about that" quote is that the club was trying to convince Cerra that he wanted to go nowhere other than Melbourne (i.e. don't worry about Fremantle, if you nominate us you'll get here for whatever we offer).

5 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I've read this post and the subsequent discussion.

As I understand it, your concern is that Jackson may have indicated to the club that he wants to go home, and that based on that indication we told Cerra's camp "don't worry about that" when they asked how we'd get the deal done.

This makes no sense.

If the club was of the view that Jackson wanted to go home, and Cerra was into us, why wouldn't we have made it clear to Cerra's camp that a deal was capable of being done because we'd offer Fremantle Jackson? 

Cerra ruled us out because we couldn't provide anything that they thought Fremantle would want. The only logical conclusion that can be drawn from that is that Jackson was never on the table. If he was, things wouldn't have played out like they did. In turn, that rules out your concern that Jackson might have indicated to the club that he wants to go home.

An alternative explanation for the "don't worry about that" quote is that the club was trying to convince Cerra that he wanted to go nowhere other than Melbourne (i.e. don't worry about Fremantle, if you nominate us you'll get here for whatever we offer).

My guess would be in that scenario MFC would not have wanted it getting out that Jackson was open/looking for a trade before Cerra had decided who he would nominate.

Cerra and his agent ruled us out because they couldn't see how we would get the deal done, which is always a bit of a nightmare for agents and player (see above comments re Bobby Hill).

Look, I'll cop the blame for maybe not explaining it clearly enough, maybe because I understood what I was saying I thought others would automatically get it (standing aside the usual posters who like to have a crack no matter what), but given our lack of attractive picks, our lack of attractive future picks, and no obvious link with other players who would attract decent trade value, I don't see why people seem so upset that it made me worried Jackson could be linked.

I get it that others may not agree with my way of thinking about it, but honestly, the personal attacks and screaming down has been over the top. (Not directed at you obviously).

I think Cerra went to Carlton...

FFS, stop it with the Dogga speculation

It's hard enough that we are eagerly anticipating his re-signing without the nervous-nellie talk

let it go, please

8 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

FFS, stop it with the Dogga speculation

It's hard enough that we are eagerly anticipating his re-signing without the nervous-nellie talk

let it go, please

Dogga to Carlton is what you're saying?

3 minutes ago, adonski said:

Dogga to Carlton is what you're saying?

 

The only way I can see we would have gotten Cerra is if we traded Jackson for him. Ergo, I deduce that we did, in fact, put Jackson on the trade table and Jackson said no or Fremantle said no. So I think this means that Jackson will re-sign, but then maybe he won’t as he hasn’t yet. 

@Mods. Pretty please. 

9 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

The only way I can see we would have gotten Cerra is if we traded Jackson for him. Ergo, I deduce that we did, in fact, put Jackson on the trade table and Jackson said no or Fremantle said no. So I think this means that Jackson will re-sign, but then maybe he won’t as he hasn’t yet. 

Put me on ignore.

#RentFree

In the spirit of Simpson GIFs above, this is me coming in and out of this thread

So the club he left and a club that wanted him made the finals and the club he went to didnt.

Enjoy your off season.

(Would still have him though)

5 minutes ago, Jontee said:

So the club he left and a club that wanted him made the finals and the club he went to didnt.

Enjoy your off season.

(Would still have him though)

 

Edited August 23, 20223 yr by layzie
Already said, my bad

4 minutes ago, Jontee said:

So the club he left and a club that wanted him made the finals and the club he went to didnt.

Enjoy your off season.

(Would still have him though)

He actually wanted to come to Melbourne, but we weren't able to organise a swap. That's why there was a lag before he belatedly signed with Carlton.

He played well on Sunday i thought. definitely one of Carlton's best on the day

6 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

He actually wanted to come to Melbourne, but we weren't able to organise a swap. That's why there was a lag before he belatedly signed with Carlton.

Ah not quite.  Cerra didnt beleive the club could organise the swap so picked Carlton, even though the Dees said Just leave that to us.  (Must have wanted out real bad)

If LJ ends up leaving this year it's a big missed opportunity to get Cerra, who is a gun.

But what's done is done and I'll back our FD to make any LJ trade work, if that is indeed what does eventuate.

1 hour ago, BDA said:

He played well on Sunday i thought. definitely one of Carlton's best on the day

Shame for him the team he left is playing finals....

I think Carlton would be more than happy with what Cerra has given them and what he will be giving them in future. Their midfield finally began to look like a coherent unit, with a number of previously questionable players now giving a much more complete contribution. Cerra's all-round good midfield game has helped that happen.

On the other hand, I feel like if we had got him, the price might have been more than the value. Not because of anything wrong with him so much as because there is a lot 'right' with us already!

Speaking of midfielders and their usefulness in different circumstances: you have to feel a bit for Luke Dunstan. He's played half as many games this season as he had Brownlow votes last season!

I can't help wondering if he might 'do a Preuss' and rotate onwards to another club for better opportunities. 

Interesting someone said in this thread that a bunch of Carlton players took paycuts to fit him in.  That's all good and well if you're in the window but to do that and not make finals would hurt!

They must be in for some salary cap pain as they have improved out of sight and probably injuries cost them from a finals berth.

Would be throwing the Jackson  $$ (if he doesn't stay) at De Konig who was replaced by Pittonet at the end of the season - and because the blues have multiple tall forwards, he can't rest there.  

On 3/13/2022 at 11:54 PM, Ethan Tremblay said:

The only way I can see we would have gotten Cerra is if we traded Jackson for him. Ergo, I deduce that we did, in fact, put Jackson on the trade table and Jackson said no or Fremantle said no. So I think this means that Jackson will re-sign, but then maybe he won’t as he hasn’t yet. 

Best...GIF...Ever!