1 hour ago, picket fence said:

On Grand Final day almost anything goes

As evidenced by Long and Wallis dog acts.

2 hours ago, Demons11 said:

He spoke about it on the interview yesterday. He went over to Danihers house and they asked him to take less which he agreed to on a handshake agreement.  He then got a call a week later from his manager saying he was being traded 

Fair enough.

I understand Shane was on holidays in Bali at the time of the trade. Did he suggest it was us who renegged or that the manager may have had other ideas while he was away.

 

What has not been mentioned so far is that in 2001 Neale tried to convert our damaging, Brownlow Medal winning, running midfielder into a backpocket/hbf that ruined his game and made him tradeable not only for salary cap reasons.

Might not have happened if he had been left to play in his best role. Poor judgement and decision making by the coaches of the day.

Shane Woewodin was really burnt by Neale and he has only recently buried the hatchet, one of my daughters took out a Pies membership in 2003 in protest. We were all hurt by that stupid decision it reflected so poorly on our Football Club and would have effected our players as well as us supporters. A good interview with Shane he loved the Time he had at the Dees and would have liked to play 200 games with us for life membership. We have come a long way since then.

He should have been given a life membership for winning the Brownlow and our Best and Fairest in 2000.

Edited August 9, 20213 yr by DeeZone
Added last thoughts.

Sad indeed. 

Love Neale, but he and the football department got this one wrong. I heard him say in that video that @dazzledavey36posted that they were saving money for Chris Lamb’s contract. 😯 Neale barely gave Lamb a run if we didn’t have injuries. He got one decent crack at it in ‘02 when Nicho did his knee, performed OK, and basically never played again. Why they needed to keep money in the salary cap for a bloke they never really had faith in is mind boggling.

Furthermore, we basically got Daniel Bell, whose career was tragically wrecked by concussions with the pick we got, and Chris Heffernan, who didn’t really seem like he wanted to be there, to be the mid who replaced Woey.

Nothing logically or ethically made sense with this trade.

I’m glad that we are managing relationships and exits so much better these days. Daniel Cross, Bernie Vince, Aaron Davey and Jordan Lewis have all been given the tap on the shoulder over the last ten years and all of them have come straight back to the club in one form or the other. 
 

Edited August 9, 20213 yr by Colin B. Flaubert

One of many poor decisions by Daniher and the FD from 2002 onwards.

1 hour ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

Furthermore, we basically got Daniel Bell

We got Bell at pick 14 and then drafted Nick "426" Smith with pick 15.  

Neither worked out for various reasons, although Bell showed promising signs early on before the concussions took their inevitable toll.

Just now, Demonstone said:

We got Bell at pick 14 and then drafted Nick "426" Smith with pick 15.  

Neither worked out for various reasons, although Bell showed promising signs early on before the concussions took their inevitable toll.

My mistake! Thanks for clearing that up.

Though it does show, as @Macca has illustrated many a time, the draft is speculative. It never provides guaranteed return on investment. 👍🏻

2 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Shane Woewodin was really burnt by Neale and he has only recently buried the hatchet, one of my daughters took out a Pies membership in 2003 in protest. We were all hurt by that stupid decision it reflected so poorly on our Football Club and would have effected our players as well as us supporters. A good interview with Shane he loved the Time he had at the Dees and would have liked to play 200 games with us for life membership. We have come a long way since then.

He should have been given a life membership for winning the Brownlow and our Best and Fairest in 2000.

I'd certainly get behind a life membership for Woewodin. His treatment was truly shabby. How many games could a Brownlow be worth in the calculation? He was outstanding in 2000 and a huge part of our ascent to one of only two Grand Final days we've experienced since colour TV.

6 hours ago, ProperDee said:

Off topic but mentioned within the thread…..

One of the things that will take Petracca’s game to the next level is a touch of mongrel. Not of course intentionally smacking someone but rather using his size to run in straight lines and take a few casualties, tackle super hard or angrily remonstrate if a team mate goes down unfairly. That earns onfield respect and makes opposition players a bit wary.

I cringe when I see him all buddy buddy and smiling with oppo players during a match. Fire up son! Save the niceties for after the game.

I don't cringe when I see that at all. I see a bloke who's having a great time doing what he loves and showing respect for his opposition when the final siren has sounded. I'll take that over a faux-tough guy attitude any day. Blokes get weeks for sneezing at their opponents these days, why we'd want our multi million dollar star player risking tribunal by pretending to be Jack Dyer is beyond me. 

Being a mongrel may have earned respect on the field in days gone by, but footy and society is different today. 

P.s he tackles plenty hard. 

18 hours ago, Spirit of the Demon said:

Troy Simmonds got a nice whack in the windpipe too.

Was that the incident which M Long copped a draconian penalty of a 4 week suspension - that had to be served in the entire 2001 Ansett Cup?

Remarkably he was eligible to play in round 1 2001 and actually played in round 2 2001 Vs Port at Docklands. 

Edited August 9, 20213 yr by Bring-Back-Powell

5 hours ago, deanox said:

Fair enough.

I understand Shane was on holidays in Bali at the time of the trade. Did he suggest it was us who renegged or that the manager may have had other ideas while he was away.

He said it was Melbourne 

8 hours ago, ProperDee said:

Off topic but mentioned within the thread…..

One of the things that will take Petracca’s game to the next level is a touch of mongrel. Not of course intentionally smacking someone but rather using his size to run in straight lines and take a few casualties, tackle super hard or angrily remonstrate if a team mate goes down unfairly. That earns onfield respect and makes opposition players a bit wary.

I cringe when I see him all buddy buddy and smiling with oppo players during a match. Fire up son! Save the niceties for after the game.

I disagree with this. While Trac is a solid unit, it's his combination of power, decision making and skill that makes him so good, and he's better using these attributes to move the ball to our advantage rather than focussing too much on taking out opposition players. I also like that he doesn't waste time and energy carrying on getting stuck into the opposition or complaining to umpires. I'd say all of our players, probably bar T-Mac who carries on a bit sometimes, just get on with the game.

20 hours ago, faultydet said:

I love his contest, don't get me wrong. And he is definitely not soft. I just would not characterize him as someone who will belt a bloke back for whacking him. 

Oliver gets more attention, belts to the head and body, and collapsing opponents falling on him with the deliberate aim to maim than any other Demon player, every game, every season so far. He does get up, he does go on, he does get even with form and grit across a whole game. He must realise that the umpires have no sympathy or duty of care for him - anything goes, in reality, so why waste time worrying about pain or severe injury? He's is one of the game's silent super-toughs. 

2 hours ago, gs77 said:

I'd certainly get behind a life membership for Woewodin. His treatment was truly shabby. How many games could a Brownlow be worth in the calculation? He was outstanding in 2000 and a huge part of our ascent to one of only two Grand Final days we've experienced since colour TV.

I normally don't care too much about lauding individual players, leave that for clubs like St Kilda who have no premierships.

That being said, the treatment of past players certainly impacts the culture of the club, as well as whether players want to come to it.

"Woey" overcame so much to get himself where he did (a Brownlow and playing in a GF) and really should be celebrated more.  The whole team of 2000 really should.

The list management was horrid in the 90s - 2000s.
Daniher in this video states (4:20) that it was more or less a choice between keeping Woewodin and losing one or more of Yze, Johnstone, Powell, Robertson, Chris Lamb and Jr McDonald, or cutting a much loved, loyal and respected player.  Sound like we were up to our neck in cap trouble.

Woey is scathing in this and it seems like it's taken a long time for him to recover from it.

https://www.afl.com.au/video/165520/the-day-the-dees-traded-a-brownlow-medallist?videoId=165520&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1476318392001

3 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

The list management was horrid in the 90s - 2000s.
Daniher in this video states (4:20) that it was more or less a choice between keeping Woewodin and losing one or more of Yze, Johnstone, Powell, Robertson, Chris Lamb and Jr McDonald, or cutting a much loved, loyal and respected player.  Sound like we were up to our neck in cap trouble.

Woey is scathing in this and it seems like it's taken a long time for him to recover from it.

https://www.afl.com.au/video/165520/the-day-the-dees-traded-a-brownlow-medallist?videoId=165520&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1476318392001

Just to clarify…

Not only did Lamb never get a game, Stephen Powell would be at St. Kilda in 2003 as well! 🤦‍♂️

11 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

Not only did Lamb never get a game

Lamb got the chop for fitness reasons.   He couldn't see out the forequarters.

4 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Lamb got the chop for fitness reasons.   He couldn't see out the forequarters.

I see the issue as that he had no one shepherding for him. 

22 hours ago, faultydet said:

Not so sure.

Petracca is no hard man, and every time someone beats Oliver in a physical contest he throws himself on the ground pretending to spew.

Wouldnt mess with Trac.

Hes been flexing his muscles this year and will continue to get harder.

52 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

I see the issue as that he had no one shepherding for him. 

And was it too easy to pull the wool over his eyes.

2 hours ago, chookrat said:

I disagree with this. While Trac is a solid unit, it's his combination of power, decision making and skill that makes him so good, and he's better using these attributes to move the ball to our advantage rather than focussing too much on taking out opposition players. I also like that he doesn't waste time and energy carrying on getting stuck into the opposition or complaining to umpires. I'd say all of our players, probably bar T-Mac who carries on a bit sometimes, just get on with the game.

Understood, no worries. I wasn’t meaning every week, just occasionally when required to display that he has that in him.

6 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

And was it too easy to pull the wool over his eyes.

he wasn't a great kick....used to shank it a bit.

On 8/8/2021 at 3:17 PM, faultydet said:

Not so sure.

Petracca is no hard man, and every time someone beats Oliver in a physical contest he throws himself on the ground pretending to spew.