Umps got it wrong - need a please explain

[spirit of norm smith 16,677]

Just like when the Lions had a bad decision against the Cats, the Dees must ask for a “Please explain from the umpiring director “.  
 

Example, Murray from the Crows handballs 20 metres backwards out of bounds OOB in the last 20 seconds to go. Right next to the point post in our forward line.  Not another crows player near it.  My kids and I were absolutely screaming. It was the most obvious OOB all year.  WTF. That’s what the rule was for. 
 

It wasn’t why we lost. You can diagnose many small incidents and the players must all be accountable. But the umps must be questioned.  There were plenty of 50/50 decisions and we got (f&$@d) on most of them. 

[BigFez 1,491]

I'd love to see a side by side of Lever's deliberate in the second quarter and that one.

Can't blame the umps for the loss but that's as bad a decision as you'll see.  Credit to the Crows, they just wouldn't go away.

[Dee Zephyr 19,307]

You probably won’t see a more deliberate handball out of play this season than last night. I understand the frustration but it won’t make most of us feel any better if they admit it was the wrong call. The Spargo one was an absolute howler, trying to pick up the ball of his bootlaces and toe pokes it out accidentally.

The Crows one is better compared to Lever getting pinged for deliberate earlier in the game when he actually made it look like he was passing to Petty. 
Time for Ump pressers after games perhaps, that would be fun.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 11,054]

It was very ironic given that the Crows got awarded a free for deliberate out of bounds which they got a goal out of, which far less of a free kick in my eyes.  In that instance out player (I think it was Lever) did a soft hand loopy handball out of a pack situation and the Adelaide player shephered the ball over the line, while appealing for the free kick.  When the rule was first bought in, the free would have actually been paid against that Adelaide player, because he had pleanty of oppertunity to pickup the ball before it went out, but chose not to.

The non paid free kick for holding the ball/incorrect disposal, which bobbled out to Tex was also a complete shocker.

There should be bigger consequences for umpires that F it up this much and make howlers that change the result of games.  The expectations on players in the professional era are huge and they should be on umpires too.  Not enough for the league just to say, sorry we F that up.   The responsible umpires should get substantial fines.

[spirit of norm smith 16,677]

2 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

It was very ironic given that the Crows got awarded a free for deliberate out of bounds which they got a goal out of, which far less of a free kick in my eyes.  In that instance out player (I think it was Lever) did a soft hand loopy handball out of a pack situation and the Adelaide player shephered the ball over the line, while appealing for the free kick.  When the rule was first bought in, the free would have actually been paid against that Adelaide player, because he had pleanty of oppertunity to pickup the ball before it went out, but chose not to.

The non paid free kick for holding the ball/incorrect disposal, which bobbled out to Tex was also a complete shocker.

Couldn’t agree more.
 

The Lever OOB was an absolute joke  

Yes the Keays holding the ball was a huge miss. He tried to burst away , took 6 paces and gets caught by Petty. Incorrect disposal.  I think Dunstall was actually laughing at how inconsistent the umps were. It just makes me angry.

[sue 9,277]

Don't expect an apology quickly from the AFL. They don't even seem to have a text report on the match on their website.

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,505]

I want a please explain from Hunt, Fritsch, T Mac, Weid amongst others who were diabolical yesterday.

[dazzledavey36 56,240]

1 minute ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I want a please explain from Hunt, Fritsch, T Mac, Weid amongst others who were diabolical yesterday.

This.

I'll add Steven May to that list who was absolutely lazy with his defensive efforts yesterday. Gave a rookie no respect and was more interested in spraying other blokes rather then lock down and get the game on our terms.

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,991]

If we think the major problem is the umpires, then we are delusional. 

[Left Foot Snap 2,600]

I have been thinking about this for a while and I guess this is as good a place as any to put it. There has always been a lot of talk that umpires are not full time professionals, but they are still paid pretty damn well for what they do. I think it is time for them to be held accountable for their performances. I think major howlers should result in fines to the offending official - no matter when in the game the decision is made. Only way I can see to force some improvements. 

This is regardless of yesterday's game.

Edited May 22, 2021 by Left Foot Snap

[Mickey 4,777]

What's a please explain going to change? It hasn't changed anything so far this year, and it doesn't change the result.

Let's focus on fixing our issues so we aren't in that position, rather than expending energy with something that will have absolutely no effect

 

[Dr.D 1,771]

The lever one was deliberate in my view. he picked it up and handballed it far too hard. if he handballed it softly then maybe he could've got away with it. But Lever made some silly decisions last night. Pushing a guy square in thr back who is half his size right in front of goals arguably cost us the game too.

Olivers hollywood bounce and petraccas subsequent fumble also arguably cost us. 

And fritsch in general. 

[BW511 2,730]

The holding the ball non-call was the one that killed the game for us. We could have steadied from that position and held on. Was a brilliant tackle and should be exactly what the AFL use as the perfect example of a player trying to break away and then getting tackled.

The deliberate out of bounds was bad but a lot harder to call at that stage of the game and at that position on the ground

[Webber 10,650]

50 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Just like when the Lions had a bad decision against the Cats, the Dees must ask for a “Please explain from the umpiring director “.  
 

Example, Murray from the Crows handballs 20 metres backwards out of bounds OOB in the last 20 seconds to go. Right next to the point post in our forward line.  Not another crows player near it.  My kids and I were absolutely screaming. It was the most obvious OOB all year.  WTF. That’s what the rule was for. 
 

It wasn’t why we lost. You can diagnose many small incidents and the players must all be accountable. But the umps must be questioned.  There were plenty of 50/50 decisions and we got (f&$@d) on most of them. 

Actually it WAS why we lost. And that’s ok, on a long enough time-line it all evens out. The bigger point is that there’s no reconciling the abominable contradictions in last night’s umpiring that gifted the Crows the win, because it reflects what is the greatest blight on our game - the quality of umpiring. Not forgetting that the size of ground, speed of play and multi-directional nature of our game makes it difficult, it just has to get better. Ignoring the ‘out of bounds’ shambles for a bit, the adjudication of the ‘tackle rule’ - the essence of the game’s physical contact - is a complete shambles, an utter 50/50 mess in any given situation. The home-crowd influence factor is equally egregious, and it was on sparkling display last night. How and why the umpires can’t be specifically coached in how not to fall prey to this baffles me. They’ve corrected it to a large extent in Perth over the last couple of years, but last night was an embarrassment to the game. Bad/unbalanced umpiring determined last night’s result. It’s that simple, and it shouldn’t happen. 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Delete this.

[Webber 10,650]

10 minutes ago, Left Foot Snap said:

I have been thinking about this for a while and I guess this is as good a place as any to put it. There has always been a lot of talk that umpires are not full time professionals, but they are still paid pretty damn well for what they do. I think it is time for them to be held accountable for their performances. I think major howlers should result in fines to the offending official - no matter when in the game the decision is made. Only way I can see to force some improvements. 

This is regardless of yesterday's game.

That is crazy. Nobody will ever want to umpire. The point you make about umpires not being full-time is the biggest issue. They should be, and they and the game would be better for it. 

[Webber 10,650]

3 minutes ago, BW511 said:

The holding the ball non-call was the one that killed the game for us. We could have steadied from that position and held on. Was a brilliant tackle and should be exactly what the AFL use as the perfect example of a player trying to break away and then getting tackled.

The deliberate out of bounds was bad but a lot harder to call at that stage of the game and at that position on the ground

It was beyond bad, it was inconceivable, the most obvious deliberate out of bounds I can ever remember seeing. The easiest call an umpire could ever make, and if not for the sentiment of home-crowd influence, it would have been made. Unacceptable.

[Demon Dynasty 17,160]

51 minutes ago, BigFez said:

I'd love to see a side by side of Lever's deliberate in the second quarter and that one.

Can't blame the umps for the loss but that's as bad a decision as you'll see.  Credit to the Crows, they just wouldn't go away.

Mate forget Lever's.  Try the instinctive play / attempt by Spargo (i think) in our forward flank/pocket area who under pressure looked to toe poke the ball ahead of him in the hope he might be able to run on to it and we were pinged for intentional in our own forward line FFS.

Talk about a bunch of cheaters.  They had it in for us all night.

Edited May 22, 2021 by Rusty Nails

[FritschyBusiness 1,478]

1 minute ago, Rusty Nails said:

Mate forget Lever's.  Try the instinctive play / attempt by Spargo (i think) in our forward flank/pocket area who under pressure looked to toe poke the ball ahead of him in the hope he might be able to run on to it and we were pinged for intentional in our own forward line FFS.

Talk about a bunch of cheaters.  They had it in for us all night.

Yeah the ump that didnt pay the deliberate was born and lives in Adelaide... so you know 

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

I’m sick and tired of the narrative that the umpiring non decision isn’t why we lost. I get the sentiment but I always call a spade a spade and that non decision was the deciding factor. Yes we were off our game but Adelaide played out of their skins and it took a few bad calls for the game to fall in their favour.

 

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,991]

24 minutes ago, Left Foot Snap said:

I have been thinking about this for a while and I guess this is as good a place as any to put it. There has always been a lot of talk that umpires are not full time professionals, but they are still paid pretty damn well for what they do. I think it is time for them to be held accountable for their performances. I think major howlers should result in fines to the offending official - no matter when in the game the decision is made. Only way I can see to force some improvements. 

This is regardless of yesterday's game.

Let those who has never made a mistake levy the first fines. 

Edited May 22, 2021 by Queanbeyan Demon

[deebug 1,754]

This has been going on for years, but no can say or do anything because the afl let them get away with it?

 

 

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

54 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

It was very ironic given that the Crows got awarded a free for deliberate out of bounds which they got a goal out of, which far less of a free kick in my eyes.  In that instance out player (I think it was Lever) did a soft hand loopy handball out of a pack situation and the Adelaide player shephered the ball over the line, while appealing for the free kick.  When the rule was first bought in, the free would have actually been paid against that Adelaide player, because he had pleanty of oppertunity to pickup the ball before it went out, but chose not to.

The non paid free kick for holding the ball/incorrect disposal, which bobbled out to Tex was also a complete shocker.

There should be bigger consequences for umpires that F it up this much and make howlers that change the result of games.  The expectations on players in the professional era are huge and they should be on umpires too.  Not enough for the league just to say, sorry we F that up.   The responsible umpires should get substantial fines.

I get where you are coming from but I think the problem is bigger than the adjudication on game day. Our rules are way too complex for a game that is fast and flowing for an umpire to call it correctly 100% of the time. You’d take that non decision on the chin if it was midway through the game , but as a deciding factor in the end result? Sorry but the AFL is more responsible IMO. 

[Redleg 42,127]

We will get the apology for the "mistake". Problem is, I don't believe it it was a mistake. It was deliberate by the umpire who saw it. Not in a cheating way, but out of fear, in front of a ground full of fanatics, to pay a free that would lose them the game.

This is a dangerous precedent and we have seen several this year.

Not paying a blatant free to the away side that could give them the game has occurred too often this year to be just a coincidence.

If this is not eradicated, we will have a very serious problem for the game. Umpires are supposed to be professional and impartial.

This is a failure on both fronts. I repeat, this was not a mistake by the umpire, but rather a choice to not pay what he had seen. Even Nicks in the Crows box winced and swore when the handball happened.

Btw, Pickett was pushed fair and square in the back a few seconds earlier, when he went for a mark about 40 out. 

There were 3 blatant frees not paid to the away side, in the last 2 minutes, deliberate, in the back and holding the ball.

All would have changed the result. See the similarity.

On another note fairly soft frees and 50"s were paid to the home side, resulting in 4 goals from the umps and loud cheering from the crowd. Popular umpires. Better feeling than being booed.

It is simply not good enough in professional sport to allow umpiring to the crowd to continue.

On another note, the Crows were the better side on the day and we should never have been in the position where a bad umpire call or two would affect the result. That is on us.

Fumbling. Falling over. Long bombs to the forward line. About 2/3 of the side having their worst game of the year, together in the same game. As an example I don't think Hunt had one clean possession in his 7 meaningless possies. It was the disaster happening in front of our eyes, against a low side, with 5 losses in a row, who were as fanatical as the crowd. Meka no mistake they set themselves for this game and rested Tex in preparation. We on the other hand brought not our A or even B game, but our C game. In professional football games that is nearly always a loss.

Time to regroup and take on the flag favourites in the next two weeks.

 

[Mr Steve 3,820]

You know more than a few decisions went against us yesterday but I look at the Fritsch miss on goal that went off the side of his boot the easy past to T Mac that went to the goal square etc. These have happened all season and are the things that need looking at.