18 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

The Grundy contract is going to be a massive problem for them

At least with Franklin he was clearly the most marketable player in the competition, and close to the best. You could see the off-field upside of that deal given Sydney market needs something shiny to keep their attention, even if it was clear it would be painful onfield and restrictive to the salary cap as he aged which has proven true.

Grundy is a really good player, but he isn’t exciting or marketable, and Collingwood have no need for something shiny.

Easy in hindsight to say they should’ve let Grundy go or at least stuck to a more moderate offer and rolled the dice. List management is actually a foresight game, armed with the knowledge of your entire book of contracts plus some pretty informed projections.

Collingwood should’ve just said “In hindsight we took some risk and made some assumptions in trying to land a premiership that haven’t panned out. In particular with COVID impacts on salary cap expansion. We need to make some difficult calls now so we don’t breach total player payments rules. We took the approach that best way to correct this disappointing situation while minimising talent loss is to improve our ability to get access to the best 18 year olds through draft picks and put our faith in our recruiting and team and development program.”.

That would’ve still been unpopular, but at least to their fans it can be reconciled that the risk was taken to snatch a premiership, plus nobody could predict COVID. What’s more it’s probably true too.

Why they had to do this is a disaster. What people seem to miss is once they were in the disaster, what were their options and if they didn’t do those deals, were the alternatives worse?

I think they’ve probably done OK given the position they found themselves in, it just doesn’t look like that.

It is moments like this that keeps the Finals series as only the second best time in the footy season!!

14 hours ago, A F said:

No, but we're celebrating another team losing 3 best 22 players when we could lose 2 best 22 players and the two best Melbourne players in my 33 years of following the club. 

If we lose Oliver and Petracca we will get 2-4 1st round picks some being top 10, not the rubbish Coll got: 1 mid/late 1st rounder and a bunch of rubbish.

Don't want to lose them but the situation would not be comparable to what Coll have done this year.

4 hours ago, Lampers said:

At least with Franklin he was clearly the most marketable player in the competition, and close to the best. You could see the off-field upside of that deal given Sydney market needs something shiny to keep their attention, even if it was clear it would be painful onfield and restrictive to the salary cap as he aged which has proven true.

Grundy is a really good player, but he isn’t exciting or marketable, and Collingwood have no need for something shiny.

Easy in hindsight to say they should’ve let Grundy go or at least stuck to a more moderate offer and rolled the dice. List management is actually a foresight game, armed with the knowledge of your entire book of contracts plus some pretty informed projections.

Collingwood should’ve just said “In hindsight we took some risk and made some assumptions in trying to land a premiership that haven’t panned out. In particular with COVID impacts on salary cap expansion. We need to make some difficult calls now so we don’t breach total player payments rules. We took the approach that best way to correct this disappointing situation while minimising talent loss is to improve our ability to get access to the best 18 year olds through draft picks and put our faith in our recruiting and team and development program.”.

That would’ve still been unpopular, but at least to their fans it can be reconciled that the risk was taken to snatch a premiership, plus nobody could predict COVID. What’s more it’s probably true too.

Why they had to do this is a disaster. What people seem to miss is once they were in the disaster, what were their options and if they didn’t do those deals, were the alternatives worse?

I think they’ve probably done OK given the position they found themselves in, it just doesn’t look like that.

You're a genius Lampers. wanna come and work for me?

13 hours ago, deanox said:

Big call that I haven't seen reported anywhere. Where is this from?

Board director at Carlton. Text message sent from Oliver to Cripps

14 hours ago, A F said:

I saw them all play, except Robbie (I was born in '87). Oliver is miles ahead of any of them. His elite consistency is better than any of them. And I rate midfielders higher than ruckmen, forwards and wingers.

Miles ahead? Wow. For a bloke that has played less than 100 games and scrubs kicks in virtually every match

12 minutes ago, dice said:

Miles ahead? Wow. For a bloke that has played less than 100 games and scrubs kicks in virtually every match

There is never going to be another Robbie  Flower mate !   He was in a class of his own. Played his first senior game in 1973.

So l feel sorry for you that you  missed him playing. He would have walked into any top side with ease in todays football. 

It is not an opinion it is the truth.  

You cannot compare.

Nathan's advice to Prime Minister Scott Morrison after ScoMo took his family on a holiday during the bushfires.

What a rolled gold hypocrite. But hardly surprising.

 

How does it feel Nathan to be hoist on your own petard....?

 

As a coach, I highly rate Buckley. His teams have often played good footy.

As a people-person or people-manager, I can't actually remember anyone as bad as him unless you mention Mark Neeld or Scott Watters. He is woeful. He has to stop thinking of them as footballer entities, and interact with them as people. Add in a CEO who appears has risen to the level of his incompetence, and the Pies are in serious trouble as a club. 

Can't wait to hear Eddie's spin in this - could be the best comedy act of 2021.

24 minutes ago, Maldonboy38 said:

As a coach, I highly rate Buckley. His teams have often played good footy.

As a people-person or people-manager, I can't actually remember anyone as bad as him unless you mention Mark Neeld or Scott Watters. He is woeful. He has to stop thinking of them as footballer entities, and interact with them as people. Add in a CEO who appears has risen to the level of his incompetence, and the Pies are in serious trouble as a club. 

Can't wait to hear Eddie's spin in this - could be the best comedy act of 2021.

I heard him yesterday and if you don't want to ?stay away.

On 11/13/2020 at 3:02 PM, Demon17 said:

Exactly RJay.

Their Board would have signed off on all the big contarcts - Treloer, Grundy etc. 

But Buckley's laying the blame on the senior players re: Treloar and  '.. Im just passing on the feedback..."  type comments, along with ignoring Stephenson is a disgrace and will be an ongoing blight on his reputation. Leader? - you're joking.

Stephenson was likely troubled in his gambling year big time, media pile on etc, and then a maojr illness pre-season. What did they think was going to happen to the kid. He's only 21 for gawds sake.

Message: Don't own up to mental illness or fraility at the Pies - your on your own.

 

Stephenson is lucky he is not a cricketer, if a cricketer had spot beating on himself to do certain things in a game  he would have gotten a 2 year ban.

On 11/13/2020 at 4:45 PM, Lord Travis said:

That contract is already biting them and will continue to do so for many years to come. No player is worth a 7 year contract, let alone a ruckman. He'll be getting paid $1,000,000 still at 34 years old! Probably the biggest list management [censored]-up of all time.

Cheers to the Pies destroying themselves!

On 11/13/2020 at 3:02 PM, Demon17 said:

Exactly RJay.

Their Board would have signed off on all the big contarcts - Treloer, Grundy etc. 

But Buckley's laying the blame on the senior players re: Treloar and  '.. Im just passing on the feedback..."  type comments, along with ignoring Stephenson is a disgrace and will be an ongoing blight on his reputation. Leader? - you're joking.

Stephenson was likely troubled in his gambling year big time, media pile on etc, and then a maojr illness pre-season. What did they think was going to happen to the kid. He's only 21 for gawds sake.

Message: Don't own up to mental illness or fraility at the Pies - your on your own.

 

Stephenson is lucky he is not a cricketer, if a cricketer had spot beating on himself to do certain things in a game  he would have gotten a 2 year ban.

I have a very good pies mate who is filthy about this.  He’s out till Buckley goes.  Will cost the club over 1.5K just from him.  How many others will vote with their wallets?

20 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

I have a very good pies mate who is filthy about this.  He’s out till Buckley goes.  Will cost the club over 1.5K just from him.  How many others will vote with their wallets?

Honestly, as Melbourne supporters we know this situation better than most.

You can be heartbroken, disappointed, dismayed, angry and even betrayed... but when the team runs out and you see the jumper you still think ‘c’mon boys!’. Supporter fury in November can turn to optimism by March if the club handles itself well during the offseason. Maybe we can loan them our marketing and video department? That seemed to erase the memories of most around here.

31 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Supporter fury in November can turn to optimism by March if the club handles itself well during the offseason. Maybe we can loan them our marketing and video department? That seemed to erase the memories of most around here.

"To Centrelink and Back"?

Edited November 14, 20204 yr by TRIGON

37 minutes ago, TRIGON said:

"To Centrelink and Back"?

To the dentist and back....

1 hour ago, The heart beats true said:

Honestly, as Melbourne supporters we know this situation better than most.

You can be heartbroken, disappointed, dismayed, angry and even betrayed... but when the team runs out and you see the jumper you still think ‘c’mon boys!’. Supporter fury in November can turn to optimism by March if the club handles itself well during the offseason. Maybe we can loan them our marketing and video department? That seemed to erase the memories of most around here.

Agree with this.  For this guy to call it was massive- he was welded on.  He was the last one I thought would leap off. For him it’s culture, he has stuck fat with poor performance, but he thinks this is the deal breaker.

10 hours ago, dice said:

Board director at Carlton. Text message sent from Oliver to Cripps

So a “Board director at Carlton” has shown you a text from Patrick Cripps phone? This text message was from Clayton Oliver, saying he wanted to go to the Blues and play with Cripps?

You get a screen shot of it per chance? 

1 hour ago, The heart beats true said:

Honestly, as Melbourne supporters we know this situation better than most.

You can be heartbroken, disappointed, dismayed, angry and even betrayed... but when the team runs out and you see the jumper you still think ‘c’mon boys!’. Supporter fury in November can turn to optimism by March if the club handles itself well during the offseason. Maybe we can loan them our marketing and video department? That seemed to erase the memories of most around here.

Yes and no, the only real f up (please don’t delete this dland ;)  ) we had around players was Junior McDonald and moving him on a year too soon. This is astronomical compared to that, this is Cameron Schwab/Chris Connolly/Barry P x2.

Oliver sending a text message to Cripps who showed the text message to a board member is one of the best rumours I’ve heard. Keep ‘em coming. 

Oh dear, more embarrassment for the Wobbles. Have just seen the official AFL 2021 calendar, proudly featuring Treloar and Stephenson. I guess the supporters won't be parting with their hard earned for those painful reminders.

( There are plenty of other mistakes in these calendars because they were printed before the trade period. Eg. Brown is in North Melbourne's )

Whoops!

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Oliver sending a text message to Cripps who showed the text message to a board member is one of the best rumours I’ve heard. Keep ‘em coming. 

Trolls are getting worse every year 

2 hours ago, Dame Gaga said:

Oh dear, more embarrassment for the Wobbles. Have just seen the official AFL 2021 calendar, proudly featuring Treloar and Stephenson. I guess the supporters won't be parting with their hard earned for those painful reminders.

( There are plenty of other mistakes in these calendars because they were printed before the trade period. Eg. Brown is in North Melbourne's )

Whoops!

Will be worth a lot of money!!

4 hours ago, Dame Gaga said:

Oh dear, more embarrassment for the Wobbles. Have just seen the official AFL 2021 calendar, proudly featuring Treloar and Stephenson. I guess the supporters won't be parting with their hard earned for those painful reminders.

( There are plenty of other mistakes in these calendars because they were printed before the trade period. Eg. Brown is in North Melbourne's )

Whoops!

Those calendars must be nightmares for the promotional staff at clubs, one year we had Watts before he went to Port and the following year we had Hogan before he went to Freo. 

They’re good things to have but boy it can backfire quickly!

In Brown’s case though I feel like that one was well in the works early. 

20 hours ago, nosoupforme said:

There is never going to be another Robbie  Flower mate !   He was in a class of his own. Played his first senior game in 1973.

So l feel sorry for you that you  missed him playing. He would have walked into any top side with ease in todays football. 

It is not an opinion it is the truth.  

You cannot compare.

That is completely true - he was the most talented footballer ever to be seen. Incredibly good bloke, too.