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Gonna be funny watching this topic tonight. Four suicides three heart attacks and a couple of marriage breakdowns, and that's just gonna be the over sixties.

 

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On 7/12/2022 at 10:07 AM, SPC said:

I would get him trained up for a defensive switch. 
We need to get Plugga Petty to take over the forwardline!!

I think this is worth considering - at least for next year over the summer.

Weid struggles to stick contested marks but that's not going to be an issue down back - just needs to neutralise the contest. He can learn the trade from May and Lever. He's a very good kick and his groundball handling and handballing are good.

It would solve a heap of list management problems if Weid could make it as a KPB and Petty as a KPF.

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7 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Will finally be playing as the number one key forward.
Not second tall, not second ruck.

Let’s see what he’s got!

 

i wish all good luck with this opportunity

At least there will be no excuses as he will be in the spotlight!

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Sammy has all the tools to be a gun full forward that kicks a lot of goals. The problem is his mentality. It’s a combination of lack of confidence mixed with being scared of contact. There was multiple times tonight he could’ve at least impacted the contest but chose to either stand by the side or hide behind the contest. I vividly remember one incident where the ball was bombed to half forward, he was running backwards & although he didn’t have much of a chance of marking it, there was a chance he could’ve at least put some pressure on the dogs defender but he saw another player in the corner of his eye heading towards him & he immediately gave up so he couldn’t get hurt.

I hope the coaches show him some of this footage & he changes his ways otherwise he’s going to be a consistent fringe player for this side.

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Sam looked the goods in the first Q, but I must say I didn't see him on the ground after that.  Are TOG per quarter stats available anywhere?

 

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Was our best forward tonight and kicked 3 goals. Good to see a tall forward actually lead at the ball carrier for once. Well done Weid.

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2 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Was our best forward tonight and kicked 3 goals. Good to see a tall forward actually lead at the ball carrier for once. Well done Weid.

Pretty sure Fritsch was better. 

Weid started well. But then for 3/4’s all he managed was one lead and goal.

No competitiveness under a string of high balls. In fact barely got near most of them. 

Whether it’s athleticism, strength, courage or reading of the flight he just doesn’t have it and likely never will. 

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12 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Pretty sure Fritsch was better. 

Weid started well. But then for 3/4’s all he managed was one lead and goal.

No competitiveness under a string of high balls. In fact barely got near most of them. 

Whether it’s athleticism, strength, courage or reading of the flight he just doesn’t have it and likely never will. 

He was certainly better on the lead but after Q time we reverted to mainly bombing it long into F 50.

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So why on earth does a key forward need to spend that amount of time on the bench for goodness sake?

He's our only key forward of the night and Goody sees fit to keep him on the bench for for 30% of the night. 

So realistically going off this, we were just bombing it on Fritsch head half the time while Weid just sat on the Bench... Bizarre coaching really.

In comparison Harry McKay averages over 90% TOG this year.

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Had pretty solid 1st and 3rd quarters. But I don't think he touched it in the other two. 

Once again he leaves me confused, because I don't see the specific thing he does wrong consistently. At his worst it seems that he is useless in pack type situations, not competing, no body work etc.

But most games there are at least a couple of situations where he does great work in the packs, hitting them hard, splitting them, bullocking the follow up, scooping the ball and fishing a handball, or floating across dangerously.

His lead up work is perfect when on song. But then oftentimes he'll just be standing still, hands in the air, no movement.

So he can do it, but just doesn't most of the time for some reason. I can't pinpoint it.

 

Still, 3 goals and 2 direct score assists is a decent output.

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1 minute ago, deanox said:

Had pretty solid 1st and 3rd quarters. But I don't think he touched it in the other two. 

Once again he leaves me confused, because I don't see the specific thing he does wrong consistently. At his worst it seems that he is useless in pack type situations, not competing, no body work etc.

But most games there are at least a couple of situations where he does great work in the packs, hitting them hard, splitting them, bullocking the follow up, scooping the ball and fishing a handball, or floating across dangerously.

His lead up work is perfect when on song. But then oftentimes he'll just be standing still, hands in the air, no movement.

So he can do it, but just doesn't most of the time for some reason. I can't pinpoint it.

 

Still, 3 goals and 2 direct score assists is a decent output.

Hard to touch it on the bench 

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5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

So why on earth does a key forward need to spend that amount of time on the bench for goodness sake?

He's our only key forward of the night and Goody sees fit to keep him on the bench for for 30% of the night. 

So realistically going off this, we were just bombing it on Fritsch head half the time while Weid just sat on the Bench... Bizarre coaching really.

In comparison Harry McKay averages over 90% TOG this year.

Agree bizarre, considering his very good first quarter and the obvious need for a tall down forward especially in the last half of the last quarter (is that the last eighth?).

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The 1st goal he kicked was symptomatic of how he plays. He was out of position to contest that mark but was fortunate that Dale slightly boxed him out. He was never going to get to that contest. 

If his only strength is marking on the lead, then he's at the wrong club, because that's not how we play.

It's ingrained in our mids to go long to a contest. It worked last year, especially in the G/F, and for the 1st half tonight, it worked also. But when you are only playing with 1 kpf and 2 resting ruckmen who are giving us nothing up forward, surely you have to change things up occasionally. 

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3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

So why on earth does a key forward need to spend that amount of time on the bench for goodness sake?

He's our only key forward of the night and Goody sees fit to keep him on the bench for for 30% of the night. 

So realistically going off this, we were just bombing it on Fritsch head half the time while Weid just sat on the Bench... Bizarre coaching really.

In comparison Harry McKay averages over 90% TOG this year.

Gawn 92%
Weid 72%
Jackson 69%
Melk 80
Fritsch 87

That adds up to always having at least 1 tall forward and 2 mediums. Or 2 talls for 30%.

Given the dogs don’t have dominant marking talls we could easily compete with mediums who provide better movement and defensive pressure.

Big Harry chases, tackles and hits up on the lead as well as halving long contests.

Keeping Weid’s game time low should’ve allowed him to give maximum effort per minute, and be fresh to be powerful in his attack on the ball. Sadly that wasn’t the case 

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9 hours ago, Alex Flood said:

Sammy has all the tools to be a gun full forward that kicks a lot of goals. The problem is his mentality. It’s a combination of lack of confidence mixed with being scared of contact. There was multiple times tonight he could’ve at least impacted the contest but chose to either stand by the side or hide behind the contest. I vividly remember one incident where the ball was bombed to half forward, he was running backwards & although he didn’t have much of a chance of marking it, there was a chance he could’ve at least put some pressure on the dogs defender but he saw another player in the corner of his eye heading towards him & he immediately gave up so he couldn’t get hurt.

I hope the coaches show him some of this footage & he changes his ways otherwise he’s going to be a consistent fringe player for this side.

Hes been shown many times already, goody even called it out in a press conference ... just doesn't want to impact each contest ... unfortunately we have to accept that he is a soft nice player with amazing talent  ... and won't change

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