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When he had some time in the backline I thought he used his body well. Pushing hard and holding his ground. He changes tactics when in the forward area.

It seems when he attempts a mark, he wants a clear path at it and if spoiling he wants to get under the drop zone.

I wish he could bring a bit of hold under the drop zone to the forward area.

Developing, entry from the side of the pack may also help.

I would expect him to be doing everything in his power to play in a finals series, appears Melksham is. Get some mongrel Sam.

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1 minute ago, Fanatique Demon said:

On Thé Couch said that Weideman is the worst forward line pressure player in the entire competition. Brown is second worst and Fritsch is 9th worst. What hope have we got with that?!

Can’t imagine Melk would be all that high (although he did well against Port).  He did try to chase and apply pressure against the Dogs, but the wheels aren’t quite there anymore. Not sure we can have more than 1 or 2 in the forward line that are sub optimal pressure players.

Eapecially when ANB does so much work further up the ground plugging gaps to give Petracca more opportunity to play offensively. Structurally we might need to drop one of Melk or a tall for Chandler or Bedford up front.

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1 hour ago, Fanatique Demon said:

On Thé Couch said that Weideman is the worst forward line pressure player in the entire competition. Brown is second worst and Fritsch is 9th worst. What hope have we got with that?!

This is why Spargo keeps getting a game - despite being average. He is good defensively, In a forward line where not many are. I’d play Van Rooyan before Weideman or BBB

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Maybe it is a vision thing with Sam. 

Adding to his bag of dropped marks and misses there was one where the ball flew over the pack and he literally dropped a chest mark that fell into his lap. 

It's possible his depth perception is totally whacked. Before wearing contact lenses at 15 my depth perception was horrible, I had spectacles which kind of helped, but if I was trying to catch something that was not coming straight at me and crossing into the zone at the edge of my spectacles and vision I'd struggle - probably why I was so bad at cricket! 

Once I wore contacts I got better at everything, footy, basketball, baseball etc.

 

 

 

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Would love for Sam Weideman to seek out some help with his aggression and marking.

I am sure there are people out there he could ask? Whether it is our own David Neitz, David Schwarz or Garry Lyon.

Otherwise, he could even try Jonathan Brown (who I think offered his help previously?), Wayne Carey or Matthew Lloyd.

I want Sam Weideman to succeed but he has definitely gotta change his attitude and become a lot meaner and attack the ball more.

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If Goody took any “learnings” from the Footscray game it should be low spearing passes into I50, not bombs.  Even if not at a leading player, if goal side of a contest it gives our fast crumbers an even chance.  Bombing is not working. 

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28 minutes ago, monoccular said:

If Goody took any “learnings” from the Footscray game it should be low spearing passes into I50, not bombs.  Even if not at a leading player, if goal side of a contest it gives our fast crumbers an even chance.  Bombing is not working. 

Yes yes yes. It’s so clear to 65000 supporters.  It’s not that they are under pressure.  From a mark or free kick, it’s a bomb and often to the pockets. It’s like a defensive type kick. 

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1 hour ago, monoccular said:

If Goody took any “learnings” from the Footscray game it should be low spearing passes into I50, not bombs.  Even if not at a leading player, if goal side of a contest it gives our fast crumbers an even chance.  Bombing is not working. 

Exactly, create a bit of chaos in there again. That's when we generate the most scoring chances. 

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8 hours ago, Fanatique Demon said:

On Thé Couch said that Weideman is the worst forward line pressure player in the entire competition. Brown is second worst and Fritsch is 9th worst. What hope have we got with that?!

What is Bayley’s excuse exactly?

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14 minutes ago, rpfc said:

What is Bayley’s excuse exactly?

A Likes to kick goals to detriment of all else, defence included

B So is often behind his man, therefore when a turnover occurs his man can and will be a go to carrier creating run and carry.

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On 7/23/2022 at 10:51 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

So why on earth does a key forward need to spend that amount of time on the bench for goodness sake?

He's our only key forward of the night and Goody sees fit to keep him on the bench for for 30% of the night. 

So realistically going off this, we were just bombing it on Fritsch head half the time while Weid just sat on the Bench... Bizarre coaching really.

In comparison Harry McKay averages over 90% TOG this year.

Goodwin is not responsible for managing loads. That is down to the high performance team. We had this conversation all through 2021.

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21 minutes ago, A F said:

Goodwin is not responsible for managing loads. That is down to the high performance team. We had this conversation all through 2021.

Goody would have a big say in managing loads. I'm fully aware that high performance do play a huge part on this yes final decisions are left up to them.

But I'm not silly enough to think that Goody has at times probably overuled the high performance team during crucial stage in games.

With this instance, I'm not sure leaving your number 1 key forward on the bench for so long was the right decision. Especially as he was in good form, yet we continued to bomb it on Fritsch's head and didn't even both to lower our eyes more with our forward entries.

 

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One of the benefits of being more than 57 years old is that I have seen so many coaching styles and team game plans that it becomes overload. However one theme that has succeeded many times in the past is repositioning a player.

If a player who, one the face, has ability and potential but is not succeeding in any position then it is time to either pass him on or try him out elsewhere. Weid seems to lack the ability/drive/positioning/physical attributes to succeed as a key follower/forward.

Where else might he offer something? He is tall, has good agility, can mark when on a lead (but not in a pack) and can kick long and straight. I suggest try him as a half forward/wingman with licence to roam and present when clear. Can't hurt.

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1 disposal that almost fell in his lap.

I like Weid, one of the nicest young fellas you'll ever meet, but this was as poor a performance as you could ever expect for a bloke gifted another opportunity to cement a spot leading into finals.

Gutted for him but I don't expect to see him play again this season.

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On 7/26/2022 at 1:54 PM, tiers said:

One of the benefits of being more than 57 years old is that I have seen so many coaching styles and team game plans that it becomes overload. However one theme that has succeeded many times in the past is repositioning a player.

If a player who, one the face, has ability and potential but is not succeeding in any position then it is time to either pass him on or try him out elsewhere. Weid seems to lack the ability/drive/positioning/physical attributes to succeed as a key follower/forward.

Where else might he offer something? He is tall, has good agility, can mark when on a lead (but not in a pack) and can kick long and straight. I suggest try him as a half forward/wingman with licence to roam and present when clear. Can't hurt.

Should have been trialled as a key position backman since last year with the view to move Petty forward. He is not a key forward but has size and skills that can be utilised. 

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Disappointing tonight in very poor conditions for a key forward.

He seems to approach a lot of contests from the side or tries to move around his opponents rather than crashing through. You would think this would he remedied by coaching and confidence yet there doesn't seem to be any improvement. Also seems to get lost on the ground and is often just in the wrong spot to be used.

I actually think he would benefit from being the 2nd key forward and not having the oppositions best defender, but would have think time has just about run out for him and doesnt excuse his sub par attack on the ball. Injury may keep him in the team but when BBB is ready he will take his place with JvR soon to overtake him as well. I've wanted him to make it just about more than anyone else on our list but sadly just can't see it happening now. But as long as he keeps pulling on the demons jumper, or Casey's even, I'll be cheering him on and hoping he improves.

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39 minutes ago, Hellaintabadplacetobe said:

1 disposal that almost fell in his lap.

I like Weid, one of the nicest young fellas you'll ever meet, but this was as poor a performance as you could ever expect for a bloke gifted another opportunity to cement a spot leading into finals.

Gutted for him but I don't expect to see him play again this season.

Very sad, but true.  Just seems to lack any sort of competitive edge.  Seems a very nice guy, probably too nice.

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Staggering that people still hold out hope that he will suddenly have a breakout game and establish himself as a regular.

Our match committee would be chomping at the bit to bring almost anyone of Key Position height/size into the team to replace Weid. Just a shame that we may need to either bring an under-developed Van Rooyen, or an underdone TMac into the team on the eve of finals.

Weideman is a totally lost cause.

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37 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Disappointing tonight in very poor conditions for a key forward.

He seems to approach a lot of contests from the side or tries to move around his opponents rather than crashing through. You would think this would he remedied by coaching and confidence yet there doesn't seem to be any improvement. Also seems to get lost on the ground and is often just in the wrong spot to be used.

I actually think he would benefit from being the 2nd key forward and not having the oppositions best defender, but would have think time has just about run out for him and doesnt excuse his sub par attack on the ball. Injury may keep him in the team but when BBB is ready he will take his place with JvR soon to overtake him as well. I've wanted him to make it just about more than anyone else on our list but sadly just can't see it happening now. But as long as he keeps pulling on the demons jumper, or Casey's even, I'll be cheering him on and hoping he improves.

He's actually had plenty of games where he's been the 2nd or even 3rd key forward and it makes no difference. He just doesn't have the competitiveness to be a decent AFL player unfortunately. 

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And yet people who have been coaching a Premiership Team select him, and us mere mortals deride their judgement.

This is a paradox of the little grey cells 'mes amis'.. 

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The thing with the Weed is at the time of scouting there was talk about how competitive and courageous he was in the air. We don't see any of that.

Decent on the lead and ok kick but if you are a key forward you have to contest in the air.

 

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