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So first of all Corey Wagner wasn't traded in. He was taken in the rookie draft I'm pretty sure after his B&F season at Casey the year after being delisted by North. Balic cost us Pick 66 whi

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Mahoney interview: Ben Brown:  Started trade conversation with North and deal will get done in next 10 days.  Had some discussions around picks/players.  It won't be a first round pick. 

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Early in the piece, clubs have just let player go, this is now changing as they see the impact of restricted agents moving without a decent compensation.  Seems we are seeing a shift in how RFA works.  Plus the "lower" clubs should have more salary cap room to match the payments.

What i can't believe is the sums supposedly being offered by the saints!  How big is the total player cap?

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1 minute ago, DubDee said:

Saints just went from getting Crouch for free to having to trade. Ouch!

pick 23 is harsh on the crows

Such is the way at AFL house.  Not really a surprise after Crouch racked up a strike for drug possession.   

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8 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Saints just went from getting Crouch for free to having to trade. Ouch!

pick 23 is harsh on the crows

But couldn’t Saints now walk away, leaving him at Crows on matched salary, or being traded to another club. It is still their choice to trade or walk away.

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43 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Pick 23 for Crouch

Pick 7 for Daniher

FA should be scrapped

Or the secret formula shouldn't be secret anymore.

It really is a bit of a joke...

Everyone knows the formula is not a formula at all just a set of non binding guidelines wholly dependent on the outcome head office would like.

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1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Pick 23 for Crouch

Pick 7 for Daniher

FA should be scrapped

It’s purely for the fact that they don’t think he’s worth pick 2, despite Adelaide’s bottom finish.

It would be akin to them dishing out a similar pick for a player like....ummm I dunno....say James Frawley or something like that.

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Can someone enlighten me on the rules of what happens after an offer gets matched? I understand that it means a trade needs to be facilitated but if it can’t does that mean it defers back to the old model of nominating of the PSD/ND?

That the druggies got pick 7 for Daniher and Crouch gets pick 23 tells you all you need to know about how much of a messed up system it is. 

100% Adelaide should match, as should GWS. Could be an interesting trade period now that the Saints (and likely the cats) will have to trade for the players they want. 

Bet you the AFLPA have a cry about their players not being able to get to their clubs of choice easy. 

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On 10/31/2020 at 2:33 PM, Turner said:

B: HIBBERD, MAY, LEVER

HB: RIVERS, PETTY, SALEM

C : LANGDON, VINEY, PHILLIPS

HF: NARKLE, WEIDEMAN, FRITSCH

F: PICKETT, B.BROWN, JACKSON

FOLL: GAWN, OLIVER, PETRACCA

IC: BRAYSHAW, HARMES, SPARGO, HORE

Changes: Tomlinson, Melksham, Jones, Hunt --> Petty, Narkle, Harmes, Spargo 

Tomlinson IMO is a better interchange than Hore as he is much more versatile.

Like the team but Lockhart IMO needs to be given an opportunity to mind the oppositions smalls. We always get burned by the midgets who are too quick!

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The Couch pick of 23 is rated as Band 3 (2nd rnd pick).  Daniher was Band 1 = 1st round.  Band 2 = end of first round. 

So the AFL has 'discounted' the Saints offer to get to Band 3.  Big difference in principle to the Band 1 Adelaide were looking for.  I'm a bit surprised the AFL didn't rate Crouch offer as Band 2, if only to 'manage the optics' which the it loves to do.

In practice it doesn't matter in this case as Band 2 would be pick 21 because Adelaide finished 18th but in principle it is significant in how it could impact the assessment of other FA offers.

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10 hours ago, Beetle said:

It’s purely for the fact that they don’t think he’s worth pick 2, despite Adelaide’s bottom finish.

It would be akin to them dishing out a similar pick for a player like....ummm I dunno....say James Frawley or something like that.

The Frawley compensation was our ‘priority pick’. 

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10 hours ago, Pates said:

Can someone enlighten me on the rules of what happens after an offer gets matched? I understand that it means a trade needs to be facilitated but if it can’t does that mean it defers back to the old model of nominating of the PSD/ND?

That the druggies got pick 7 for Daniher and Crouch gets pick 23 tells you all you need to know about how much of a messed up system it is. 

100% Adelaide should match, as should GWS. Could be an interesting trade period now that the Saints (and likely the cats) will have to trade for the players they want. 

Bet you the AFLPA have a cry about their players not being able to get to their clubs of choice easy. 

The AFLPA and their spokespersons have been spruiking the "Ämerican system" for a while now, except they don't want all the negatives, such as players being traded against their will to maximise trade value and public knowledge of payroll.

But we are slowly moving closer and closer to the American systems.... I think it's sad but anyway that is irrelevant.

On the matching, i don't have all the details but essentially by a club matching an RFA offer from another club that player remains contracted to the original club and if the player wants to move a trade has to be agreed to.

We haven't seen the situation yet where a offer was matched (lets use Crouch) and no trade being agreed to.

Will be interesting to see what happens and if the Crows get what they want (better than pick 23) as compensation.

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