3 hours ago, ProperDee said:

I laughed at McGuire being referred to as a “Broady standover merchant”.  He would have been in bed by 7 every night the frightened little rabbit! Even at 18 years of age!

His brother is the brains behind the entire McGuire outfit. Eddie is the front man & used car salesman. Frank is the thinker.

On 11/26/2020 at 12:02 PM, The Chazz said:

“The Dogs will remember those who stood by them when they had no friends and voted for them and looked after equalisation and things like that.”

 

It's comments like this that made me very wary of when the Pies "graciously" gave us the QB gate earnings every year. Firstly I knew it was never going to last forever and sure enough just as we were starting to show something as a team and the crowd was getting really big they decided they wanted it to be shared. Secondly I can see him using that as ammunition for things like this to do with us saying stuff like, "oh when you were on you knees begging for scraps we gave you this purely out of the kindness of our hearts".

Whatever has gone on in the past is done, if the dogs look like they're going to be completely screwed over then they should make damn sure the [censored] rains down on the pies.

EDIT: Also thinking about the QB earnings, I always looked at it as a form of equalisation as clubs like Pies, Essendon, Richmond, and Carlton were always very well looked after for primetime slots making them clearly more attractive to sponsors.

The discussions centre around what proportion of the $4.5 million contract each club will pay over the next five years. The two clubs did not put an agreement in writing in the trade period's frantic conclusion.

Sources said Collingwood believed they would pay a minimal amount of the contract given the Bulldogs gave up relatively little in draft terms. Had Collingwood been able to draw a higher draft pick in the trade, then the club would have been prepared to pay more of the contract to square off getting a better draft pick.

The Bulldogs were of the view the Magpies would still pay a significant amount of Treloar's contract because it still meant they were clearing a big chunk out of their salary cap.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-gives-magpies-bulldogs-time-to-talk-about-treloar-deal-20201126-p56ic2.html

Amateur hour !!

16 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The discussions centre around what proportion of the $4.5 million contract each club will pay over the next five years. The two clubs did not put an agreement in writing in the trade period's frantic conclusion.

Sources said Collingwood believed they would pay a minimal amount of the contract given the Bulldogs gave up relatively little in draft terms. Had Collingwood been able to draw a higher draft pick in the trade, then the club would have been prepared to pay more of the contract to square off getting a better draft pick.

The Bulldogs were of the view the Magpies would still pay a significant amount of Treloar's contract because it still meant they were clearing a big chunk out of their salary cap.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-gives-magpies-bulldogs-time-to-talk-about-treloar-deal-20201126-p56ic2.html

Amateur hour !!

Just cannot understand how this detail wasn’t explicitly agreed, written down and signed.  It’s like buying a house and not agreeing on a settlement date. Just doesn’t happen.

17 minutes ago, The Jackson 6 said:

Just cannot understand how this detail wasn’t explicitly agreed, written down and signed.  It’s like buying a house and not agreeing on a settlement date. Just doesn’t happen.

Because it was rushed. Gotta say the dogs look foolish here. You'd think salary split is the no. 1 item to get right in the deal and particularly given the circumstances around treloars contract. 

4 hours ago, Redleg said:

I smell something slightly different here. I think they may have agreed to $300k per year, but as I posted earlier on before the trade, the real figure on the last 3 years could be well over $1m a year and maybe the Dogs weren’t aware of that. If they weren’t, they could suddenly be facing $700k-$900k a year for the last 3 years, even with the Pies contribution.

Something has clearly gone wrong with the deal, or it has been improperly executed and/or misunderstood by a party or parties.

It is great entertainment though for the viewers.

My expectation is that there was a verbal agreement, and that it is in line with what the dogs were expecting.

The reason it isn't written down is the same reason clubs get a week to finalise: there is normally a bit of an agreement window, say $50k, to allow clubs to balance their caps once they have the full picture.

And I reckon the pies are reneging on the agreement, claiming porkies like "we didn't mean that for every year" and "that was the original discussion but we thought that changed when we agreed to the lower picks" even though those explicit conversations never happened.

 

 

18 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

Because it was rushed. Gotta say the dogs look foolish here. You'd think salary split is the no. 1 item to get right in the deal and particularly given the circumstances around treloars contract. 

I understand it was rushed but can’t believe in such a public industry there isn’t better governance around deal-making at a club like Collingwood or even the doggies.  Entirely possible it means the doggies break the cap next year if they’re forced to pay Treloar per C’wood’s expectations.

Treloar will be odds on to be BOG when the dogs play the pies.  will be a beauty

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The discussions centre around what proportion of the $4.5 million contract each club will pay over the next five years. The two clubs did not put an agreement in writing in the trade period's frantic conclusion.

Sources said Collingwood believed they would pay a minimal amount of the contract given the Bulldogs gave up relatively little in draft terms. Had Collingwood been able to draw a higher draft pick in the trade, then the club would have been prepared to pay more of the contract to square off getting a better draft pick.

The Bulldogs were of the view the Magpies would still pay a significant amount of Treloar's contract because it still meant they were clearing a big chunk out of their salary cap.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-gives-magpies-bulldogs-time-to-talk-about-treloar-deal-20201126-p56ic2.html

Amateur hour !!

Gee, this makes the Bulldogs look pretty [censored] poor too.

glorious

just glorious

I just can’t figure out why the dogs wouldn’t have put that down as the first point of bargaining. It was clearly the biggest issue for the Pies and therefore one of the major bargaining chips, possible guess is that the pies said they would pay $200k but didn’t specify if that was for the length of the contract or just for one year. 

As I said, I can’t figure out why that wouldn’t have been the very first thing to talk about as they sit down. Truly amateur hour from both clubs. So glad we stayed away from it. 

Sounds to me like it might not be possible to come up with a deal where at least one of the clubs will end up over the cap.

Pies cap + Dogs cap + Treloars salary > 2 x salary cap

Wonder if Treloar will be willing to backload to help them out ...

so who will Treloar play for next year?Im confused!

2 hours ago, Kent said:

so who will Treloar play for next year?Im confused!

If you're confused, how do you think he feels....

What was the deal?

Dogs pay $600k p.a and Collingwood pays the balance. 

If not, get it sorted out by mediation and if it’s not done by the time of the draft, exclude both clubs from the draft.

Simple.

Bush league stuff, except for the million dollar salary.

On 11/26/2020 at 9:20 PM, The Jackson 6 said:

Just cannot understand how this detail wasn’t explicitly agreed, written down and signed.  It’s like buying a house and not agreeing on a settlement date. Just doesn’t happen.

Have you noticed what has happened in Victoria's hotel quarantine? Nobody can remember what happened anymore. It is just common practice now.

The very public nature of his departure from the pies and the continuing wrangling over his salary can’t be doing Treloar’s confidence any good. It’ll be very interesting to see if he can settle back down and produce decent footy for the dogs in 2021. I won’t be surprised if he under-performs.  

Must be confusing for Treloar. On Mondays and Wednesdays he trains at Lexus Stadium (or whatever they’re calling it this week) and on Tuesdays and Thursdays he has to go to Whitten Oval.

On 11/27/2020 at 7:52 AM, Kent said:

so who will Treloar play for next year?Im confused!

25% of the season for the Pies, but only 60% game time?

For Adam's mental health he'd best steer clear of watching Kramer Vs Kramer.

Edited November 27, 20204 yr by TRIGON

wasn't friday (yesterday) the afl deadline for resolution?

On 11/26/2020 at 9:02 PM, Diamond_Jim said:

The discussions centre around what proportion of the $4.5 million contract each club will pay over the next five years. The two clubs did not put an agreement in writing in the trade period's frantic conclusion.

Sources said Collingwood believed they would pay a minimal amount of the contract given the Bulldogs gave up relatively little in draft terms. Had Collingwood been able to draw a higher draft pick in the trade, then the club would have been prepared to pay more of the contract to square off getting a better draft pick.

The Bulldogs were of the view the Magpies would still pay a significant amount of Treloar's contract because it still meant they were clearing a big chunk out of their salary cap.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-gives-magpies-bulldogs-time-to-talk-about-treloar-deal-20201126-p56ic2.html

Amateur hour !!

This is just amazing 

Sorting out payment % would have been item no. 1 on my list

Edited November 28, 20204 yr by Sir Why You Little

On 11/26/2020 at 9:41 PM, A F said:

Gee, this makes the Bulldogs look pretty [censored] poor too.

Yes but nowhere near as bad as the Pies who have learnt from Trump over the last 4 years and are not to be TRUSTED With deals or player negotiations.

Fair to say at least one of these clubs will need to open some salary cap space in the very near future.  Wonder who we can get at bargain price?  Ideally for the team offloading it would be the kind of higher quality but not quite star player who would take a fair bit of salary off the books without causing a massive ruckus among supporters. 

Oooooooh Bailey Williams out of contract 2021.

Thank you, have a nice day.

The latest from the HUN below. I reckon the pies are trying it on but without written agreement how do you go about proving what was agreed? It’s the pies word against the doggies. I think it’ll be the AFL or the courts who’ll have to adjudicate.

Also, how does it work in practice? Would the doggies have a contract with Treloar for the full amount and a side agreement with the Pies for their contribution? Or just the one agreement involving the 3 parties? Could Treloars and his manager be the tie-breaker. Wouldn’t they have been privy to the negotiations?

“Figures close to the standoff say the Dogs are adamant they will not be paying Treloar a cent more than a “watertight” five-year, $600,000-a-season contract agreed with the cast-off Magpies midfielder.

It would mean Treloar is still owed $300,000 a year — or $1.5 million — under the terms of his original Magpies contract.

But Collingwood insists the Bulldogs agreed to further negotiations over who would pay what to Treloar after the trade went through, which the Bulldogs absolutely dispute.

The Dogs are confident any money owed above and beyond Treloar’s new arrangement at the Whitten Oval is simply a matter for Collingwood.

The only concession the Western Bulldogs did offer Collingwood during the frantic final days of the trade period, one figure said, was an offer to front-end some of Treloar’s wages in his new contract to assist the Magpies with management of their salary cap.

But if Collingwood’s position is right, the Bulldogs effectively agreed to a trade for Treloar without knowing how much they would pay him.

The clubs agreed to the trade one minute before the AFL exchange period deadline.

But no paperwork outlining any financial details has been lodged with the AFL by either club.”