Tom Phillips - Outside Skills and Speed

[Sydee 4,529]

2 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Pick 65 is a steal if Hawks have got the cap space to pay him then fair play to them.

personally don't rate him highly - seems about right

[old dee 23,872]

Pies are desperate to get salary level down they don't care what the get in exchange for players. I would not want to be a pies player in the 25 plus range without a contract.

[layzie 34,013]

Disappointing but clearly they planned to move T-mac on. Such is life, still did alright out the trade period though.

[Hogan2014 390]

How do the hawks get away with pick 65 for him & mfc just can’t?  how do the doggies get Treloar & get 300k if his contract & we can’t ..  we miss finals again & only get 1 trade done..  understand we traded for earlier picks but not enough done

Edited November 12, 2020 by Hogan2014

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

30 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I am disappointed with that. Dees obviously think he is no good. I don't accept it is salary as we could move on others like Mitch Brown and give Phillips an extra year at a lower salary, but paid in 3 instalments, getting him more and with less tax. 

There is a lot that happens behind the scenes we dont' hear about. 

For example Hawks and Phillips could have been in discussion and Phillips told the Dees he wasn't interested.

One of the key flaws in the AFL FA system is the player has to choose the club, not the other way around.

[Earl Hood 6,101]

26 minutes ago, Sydee said:

personally don't rate him highly - seems about right

Looks like the dorks got Phillips for next to nothing and I suspect the Pies are picking part of his pay as the Hawks originally baulked at the $600k per year but late phone calls with the Pies got the deal done. Thought we should have been into Phillips knowing the pies were desperate. 

 

 

[Turner 1,516]

wouldn't have minded going for atu if i knew he was going to be available too, imagine pickett, bedford, bosenavulagi now thats a mosquito fleet 

[Jjrogan 1,439]

7 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

There is a lot that happens behind the scenes we dont' hear about. 

For example Hawks and Phillips could have been in discussion and Phillips told the Dees he wasn't interested.

One of the key flaws in the AFL FA system is the player has to choose the club, not the other way around.

Australian football players, among world sporting professionals, accept some of the lowest payments as a percentage of the games revenue. Part of the trade off is a player gets a chance to choose where you play. I personally dont consider that a flaw.  Sucks when its Philips, but its ok if its Brown. Swings and roundabouts.  

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

1 hour ago, Jjrogan said:

Australian football players, among world sporting professionals, accept some of the lowest payments as a percentage of the games revenue. Part of the trade off is a player gets a chance to choose where you play. I personally dont consider that a flaw.  Sucks when its Philips, but its ok if its Brown. Swings and roundabouts.  

Low payments or not, the fact still stands they hold all of the barging power. The fact still remains they are well paid in relation to average joe, and fact is the AFL doesn't have the hitting power (flow of dollars) of major league's you're probably referring to.

Either way it's the AFLPA are the ones pushing for US style Free Agency rules (see quotes from AFLPA reps like Dangerfield and Pendlebury) and if that's what they want then things like public knowledge of salary and being traded against their will is also a big part of that.

Otherwise the goodwill lies with the clubs.

I don't buy the AFLPA and players argument,  if they f over the fans they will end up with nothing

Edited November 12, 2020 by Unleash Hell

[Pennant St Dee 13,305]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

I am disappointed with that. Dees obviously think he is no good. I don't accept it is salary as we could move on others like Mitch Brown and give Phillips an extra year at a lower salary, but paid in 3 instalments, getting him more and with less tax. 

I'm not, yes he'd have been a good acquisition but we don't want to fall into the same trap as the Pies with contracts.

Tmac will be a year down on his contract next season and we'll need money in the cap for Clarrie and LJ

[Pennant St Dee 13,305]

1 hour ago, Hogan2014 said:

How do the hawks get away with pick 65 for him & mfc just can’t?  how do the doggies get Treloar & get 300k if his contract & we can’t ..  we miss finals again & only get 1 trade done..  understand we traded for earlier picks but not enough done

So did you come on to offer something or just be negative.

You can actually answer your own questions by reviewing other threads or going to the AFL site.

Let's be truthful you

rarely post when we win

have contributed little during trade period

won't acknowledge the excellent deal for Brown

would be the first to complain if we tied up $1.1million of our cap in Phillips and Treloar which meant we could not give Clarrie and Jackson what they wanted to extend.

Let's not even contemplate the Dogs gave up a first rounder for Treloar.

But hey any chance to have a baseless shot at the club and we know you're in the first dozen

FMD

[Redleg 41,467]

3 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

You have no idea if we offered that, or if he would have taken it.

Correct.

Read my second line. "Dees obviously think he is no good."

He was apparently ruled out by us very early in trade period, as reported by a few in the media.

[Redleg 41,467]

2 hours ago, Unleash Hell said:

There is a lot that happens behind the scenes we dont' hear about. 

 

Correct. See my previous post above, it appears "we" didn't want him.

[Redleg 41,467]

2 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

I'm not, yes he'd have been a good acquisition but we don't want to fall into the same trap as the Pies with contracts.

Tmac will be a year down on his contract next season and we'll need money in the cap for Clarrie and LJ

I accept that, I just thought he would be a good fit for us and cost nothing. He went for 65.

I see him as better than anyone we have atm, to play the non Langdon wing. 

I also think a 3 year x $400k -$450k contract would have got him.

If Oscar is delisted and say Mitch Brown, that is his salary.

We will see how he goes the next couple of years.

With Jones, Jetta,  ANB,  VDB, Hibberd, Melksham possibly and others to go next year, we would have savings for Clarry etc.

Also having kept Tom, I would be fairly confident he would now agree to say a 3 year contract based on his 2 years owing and maybe $250k for the 3rd year, split equally each year, thereby saving more the next 2 years and probably getting a bit more for Tom with less Tax each year.

Then again, it's done and I could be wrong. I recall being wrong once about 20 years ago. It's late, time for bed. 

PS. Mahoney was great again and the Brown deal was sensational for us.

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by Redleg

[spirit of norm smith 16,589]

On 11/12/2020 at 11:42 AM, spirit of norm smith said:

Certainly I think we recognized the need for pace and fix the (opposite to Langdon) wing position with Isaac Smith the first option.  After that Phillips was considered an option. But his price is too high (Pies seemed to have overpaid for quite a few players) and we are now unlikely to be able to shift Tmcd. 

Summed it up. Phillips was the one that got away. Pick 65!! The bargain buy of the draft by the Hawks. 

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Summed it up. Phillips was the one that got away. Pick 65!! The bargain buy of the draft by the Hawks. 

 

Maybe hes just not that good?

[nosoupforme 3,085]

On 11/13/2020 at 11:27 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Summed it up. Phillips was the one that got away. Pick 65!! The bargain buy of the draft by the Hawks. 

We could have got him and salary cap wouldn't have been a issue . He preffered  Hawthorn  and didn't rate us I believe.

We would have done better than pick 65. 

[Deemania since 56 6,718]

On 9/25/2020 at 12:49 AM, A F said:

Would prefer Merrett obviously, but Phillips will likely come much cheaper and add to our outside run. It'll give us more flexibility and hopefully defensive cover if we try to play the Geelong surrender centre clearance and slingshot game.

Phillips, Merrett, Donald Duck? I'd secure a wing spot opposite Langdon for Hunt with a close coaching eye from Yze; that is, if the FD and Coach still refuse to develop Tomlinson for what he offers. We'd also save around $400K or more with the talents that these two hold - for the wing. And then there is Baker, who could also be developed watchfully. That money mentioned above could provide some interesting savings, incentives (correctly and properly managed), and improved Member services for the Club.

[Demonland 73,161]

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[JimmyGadson 3,455]

As the great Philosopher Ariana Grande once said, "thank u, next". 

[roy11 3,893]

So we missed out on Phillips and he's being delisted and now the hawks are bringing in Amon who we also missed out on. 

Wonder if this trend will continue

[layzie 34,013]

Pretty surprising. 

[daisycutter 29,743]

dodged a bullet there

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,939]

He was good for Collingwood in 2018 and 2019.

Played 50 games and kicked 27 goals over those two years.

[Nasher 33,617]

What happened there? Played 22 games last year and was a regular at Collingwood. Only played four games this year and three of them were as the medi-sub. Seems a ridiculously fast fade-away.