3 hours ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I've heard that Polec would like to come to the Dees and has informed NM of that, but it sounds as though the informal chats the two clubs have had around what a trade might look like, we've been a fair way apart. Sounds like North are quite delusional on his trade value, and are really keen to shed his contract from their books and MFC's interest is conditional on only paying a limited portion of his salary and have a significantly reduced trade value on him. 

It sounds like whoever wants Ben Brown is going to encounter similar hurdles 

Brown is out of contract so whoever gets him will pay his full salary. 

3 hours ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I've heard that Polec would like to come to the Dees and has informed NM of that, but it sounds as though the informal chats the two clubs have had around what a trade might look like, we've been a fair way apart. Sounds like North are quite delusional on his trade value, and are really keen to shed his contract from their books and MFC's interest is conditional on only paying a limited portion of his salary and have a significantly reduced trade value on him. 

It sounds like whoever wants Ben Brown is going to encounter similar hurdles 

Now is not the time to Be weak in trade dealings We need to be creative as our list needs  Polec and Brown so we may have to give something up For both.$

3 hours ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I've heard that Polec would like to come to the Dees and has informed NM of that, but it sounds as though the informal chats the two clubs have had around what a trade might look like, we've been a fair way apart. Sounds like North are quite delusional on his trade value, and are really keen to shed his contract from their books and MFC's interest is conditional on only paying a limited portion of his salary and have a significantly reduced trade value on him. 

It sounds like whoever wants Ben Brown is going to encounter similar hurdles 

Why are Norf so worried about the coin he’s on? Who else are they paying?

Jesus I thought Polec was a done deal that's disappionting need to get the Polec and Brown deals done we can't get behind Carltank who are gettting Saad and Williams that would shatter me.

4 hours ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I've heard that Polec would like to come to the Dees and has informed NM of that, but it sounds as though the informal chats the two clubs have had around what a trade might look like, we've been a fair way apart. Sounds like North are quite delusional on his trade value, and are really keen to shed his contract from their books and MFC's interest is conditional on only paying a limited portion of his salary and have a significantly reduced trade value on him. 

It sounds like whoever wants Ben Brown is going to encounter similar hurdles 

Seems like an odd strategy from North though.  Dropped both Polec and Brown and made them feel as popular as a fart in an elevator.    No doubt they can hold onto the contracts if they want to, but you would think that's some sort of cultural millstone around their neck.  I think they've backed themselves into a corner with this a little and it seems from the rumours that the relationship with Shaw might be hard to recover.

I imagine if we're interested it will be a balancing act between salary and draft picks.  Ie.  North pay none of his salary =  low draft pick.  North pay some of his salary -  mid range draft pick, North pay a chunk of his salary - high draft pick.   

I get that they want a return on investment, but they can't expect another club to pick up the tab on something of their own creation. 

 

 

3 hours ago, grazman said:

Seems like an odd strategy from North though.  Dropped both Polec and Brown and made them feel as popular as a fart in an elevator.    No doubt they can hold onto the contracts if they want to, but you would think that's some sort of cultural millstone around their neck.  I think they've backed themselves into a corner with this a little and it seems from the rumours that the relationship with Shaw might be hard to recover.

I imagine if we're interested it will be a balancing act between salary and draft picks.  Ie.  North pay none of his salary =  low draft pick.  North pay some of his salary -  mid range draft pick, North pay a chunk of his salary - high draft pick.   

I get that they want a return on investment, but they can't expect another club to pick up the tab on something of their own creation. 

 

 

Mate it's strange, some of the decisions that club is making at the moment are just incredible. 

I personally believe when you push guys out of your club publicly you've gotta expect minimal compensation. the way the Polec Situation has gone, there is no way he's going back there. they should be happy we'll take on a part of his salary and get him off the books for them. 

I don't get the impression we're being unreasonable with our requests either, we just have a really clear idea what we think he's worth, and we're very interested at that price

19 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Mate it's strange, some of the decisions that club is making at the moment are just incredible. 

I personally believe when you push guys out of your club publicly you've gotta expect minimal compensation. the way the Polec Situation has gone, there is no way he's going back there. they should be happy we'll take on a part of his salary and get him off the books for them. 

I don't get the impression we're being unreasonable with our requests either, we just have a really clear idea what we think he's worth, and we're very interested at that price

That club are so incompetent they legitimately think they are making a statement, yet are single handedly removing any form of success or hope for the future.

I gather they have finally come to the to the realisation they will never attract a decent free agent or out of contract player, therefore have no choice but to start with bare bones.

I’m not sure a club like North (or us for that matter) can afford to do that.

32 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Mate it's strange, some of the decisions that club is making at the moment are just incredible. 

I personally believe when you push guys out of your club publicly you've gotta expect minimal compensation. the way the Polec Situation has gone, there is no way he's going back there. they should be happy we'll take on a part of his salary and get him off the books for them. 

I don't get the impression we're being unreasonable with our requests either, we just have a really clear idea what we think he's worth, and we're very interested at that price

Any idea what we're offering? I suspect they want our second rounder while we wouldn't want to give more than a 3rd? Or is it haggling over how much of the contract each club will pay?

It is strange, if true. North are in a no win situation now.

It's been hard for North to land free-agents because those free agents could see that the list was right at the end of its run, and they were that good anyway. We were like that, where substantial free agents and wantaways wouldn't come because we weren't attactive. The best way to start attracting players to your club is to build a core group of players that make others think that they have a successful future. After that it's self-fulfilling because the good players now attract good players which makes them successful which attracts good players etc.

But they need to just eat the [censored] sandwich for a few years so that they can build a young group that can attract others. They have an extra first round pick, so it will be interesting to see how they attack the trade period. 

As for what they do with Polec, I suppose that's entirely dependent on whether they think the relationship is salvageable. If they think they can then the only downside is whatever compensation we'd be offering them, which may not be much.

9 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Any idea what we're offering? I suspect they want our second rounder while we wouldn't want to give more than a 3rd? Or is it haggling over how much of the contract each club will pay?

Not too sure mate but i was told it was a combination of the trade value, and the contract % paid by each club. 

I think North would like us to pay all or most of his contract 

and i reckon you're right they'd want our pick 23 or whatever it is and we're probably thinking more a third or fourth rounder

Thought as such, cheers for the info mate ?

Just read an article from Jon Ralph saying that Polec is more than likely to stay at north now after receiving “almost no interest” from rival clubs.

Maybe we're not super interested, could be due to his personality issues I keep hearing about.

14 minutes ago, Marcus94 said:

Just read an article from Jon Ralph saying that Polec is more than likely to stay at north now after receiving “almost no interest” from rival clubs.

Maybe we're not super interested, could be due to his personality issues I keep hearing about.

"Polec has had only extremely limited interest from one interstate club and despite an indifferent season where he was dropped is more likely to remain on the club’s list.

The Roos are aware of his deficiencies as a player but at his best he remains a hard-running precise-kicking wingman, albeit one with limited physicality."

7 minutes ago, Demonland said:

"Polec has had only extremely limited interest from one interstate club and despite an indifferent season where he was dropped is more likely to remain on the club’s list.

The Roos are aware of his deficiencies as a player but at his best he remains a hard-running precise-kicking wingman, albeit one with limited physicality."

Considering the contract he is on, and the season he just had, this isn't surprising.  I don't think any club wants to take on a large chunk of his contract for the next few seasons.

North are in massive trouble, they will need to add a lot of Delisted Free agents to fill there list.  The club could be heading to Tasmania the way they are going.

2 hours ago, Marcus94 said:

Just read an article from Jon Ralph saying that Polec is more than likely to stay at north now after receiving “almost no interest” from rival clubs.

Maybe we're not super interested, could be due to his personality issues I keep hearing about.

Absolutely 

because who wants to pay 600/year

 

reality check for north and JP

Interested? Yes. Yes. Yes. 
 

$600k a year salary ?   No no no ... NO !

Kangas need to at least pay 1/3rd from their cap. 

We probably don't want both Smith and Polec.

22 minutes ago, Pollyanna said:

We probably don't want both Smith and Polec.

Is there speculation we are into Smith? 

I'm really not a fan of being the retirement home for old players unless we pick them up for virtually nothing. 

Smith would be a short term fix.

6 minutes ago, BAMF said:

Is there speculation we are into Smith? 

I'm really not a fan of being the retirement home for old players unless we pick them up for virtually nothing. 

Smith would be a short term fix.

 - 8 pages worth

3 minutes ago, BAMF said:

I'm really not a fan of being the retirement home for old players unless we pick them up for virtually nothing. 

Seemed to work out OK for Brian Lake to squeeze out 3 Hawthorn premierships.

30 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

Seemed to work out OK for Brian Lake to squeeze out 3 Hawthorn premierships.

I think Lake was 'only' 29 when he was traded, big difference to a 32yo in football years anyway. Smith will probably fall off a cliff next year if he's losing his pace.

Edited October 7, 20204 yr by TheoX
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7 minutes ago, TheoX said:

I think Lake was 'only' 29 when he was traded, big difference to a 32yo in football years anyway. 

Not true. Lake played his first game at Hawthorn as a 31 year old.

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/B/Brian_Lake.html

Kangas are desperate. Could Rhys Shaw be in trouble? Why are they so keen on Roos and Blakey?

#onthenose

It's nice to watch both the Kangas and Essendon implode. And I'm generally not the vindictive type.