Tom Lynch Incident (incl. Dimma vs The Ox)

[buck_nekkid 5,819]

So Lynch punches his opponent in the stomach off the ball, allowing him to break on to the lead, mark and goal. He cops two cheap fines.  Max gets assaulted off the ball. 

When are the AFL going to get real?  This is blatant cheating - stopping a player fairly getting to the contest.  It can change matches and all they do is hand down a piddling fine?

It brings the game into disrepute.

[titan_uranus 24,673]

Lynch is fast becoming one of the game's biggest [censored]. Should have been suspended for his pathetic shove of Harris Andrews the other week, and if the AFL was serious about gut punches should absolutely have been suspended for his punch this week.

I can't wait to see Richmond v Gold Coast next year and Sam Collins' response.

[rjay 24,616]

Lynch like Burgoyne and the sling tackle gets away with a fine.

You can guarantee someone will be made an example of.

If I was a low profile player (think ANB) I would be very careful in the current environment.

The AFL are looking for you.

Edited August 18, 2020 by rjay

[monoccular 17,340]

4 minutes ago, rjay said:

Lynch like Burgoyne and the sling tackle gets away with a fine.

You can guarantee someone will be made an example of.

If I was a low profile player (think ANB) I would be very careful in the current environment.

The AFL are looking for you.

Too true - any wonder some may suggest that the MRP and the AFL are pits of corruption.

[Little Richard 6,216]

Yet again another example of punishment based on status. Pathetic.

Edited August 18, 2020 by Luther

[Redleg 40,230]

12 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

So Lynch punches his opponent in the stomach off the ball, allowing him to break on to the lead, mark and goal. He cops two cheap fines.  Max gets assaulted off the ball. 

When are the AFL going to get real?  This is blatant cheating - stopping a player fairly getting to the contest.  It can change matches and all they do is hand down a piddling fine?

It brings the game into disrepute.

The game is already in disrepute.

[brendan 3,432]

I’m really starting to like Mitch Robinson

AFL hard man rips into glory-hunting Tiger: ‘Went to a good team for success’

 

[loges 6,767]

High profile player, high profile club, say no more.

[Demonland 70,327]

I'm not suggesting that ANB shouldn't have been suspended for his sling tackle as he absolutely should have been. I question the severity and wonder whether a high profile player would have been treated the same way.

I just cannot reconcile how a tackle that is an actual part of the game is treated more harshly than a punch that is not a part of the game.

I thought the AFL wanted to stamp out gut punches.

I guess they just want to stamp out gut punches from less high profile players.

Would be interesting to see how a Tom Sparrow would be treated for doing the same thing. Not that Tom would do such a thing. He was just used as an example here. You could insert any low profile player really.

[Demonland 70,327]

8 minutes ago, brendan said:

I’m really starting to like Mitch Robinson

AFL hard man rips into glory-hunting Tiger: ‘Went to a good team for success’

I still haven't forgiven him for the Bruise Free comment even though he was probably right. Still waiting for him to be tackled ferociously by Viney or Vanders so I can say "Howz that for Bruise Free". He doesn't even need to hear it. It will just make me feel better.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

8 minutes ago, Demonland said:

I'm not suggesting that ANB shouldn't have been suspended for his sling tackle as he absolutely should have been. I question the severity and wonder whether a high profile player would have been treated the same way.

I just cannot reconcile how a tackle that is an actual part of the game is treated more harshly than a punch that is not a part of the game.

I thought the AFL wanted to stamp out gut punches.

I guess they just want to stamp out gut punches from less high profile players.

Would be interesting to see how a Tom Sparrow would be treated for doing the same thing. Not that Tom would do such a thing. He was just used as an example here. You could insert any low profile player really.

"I think a change is required. Clearly the deterrent of fines is not stopping on-field punching in various forms and we want to stamp that out," he said.

"It's unusual (to make rule changes mid-season), but we're going to. We don't want punching to continue. We're unequivocal about that and we'll make that really clear to the players and clubs.

"We'll make a change that gives the MRP the right equipment in their classification to ensure sanctions are now matches compared to fines."

AFL to suspend players for gut, jumper punches

This was 3 years ago...

 

[Lord Travis 10,492]

Big club. Name player. Of course he gets off. I'm sure that $2000 fine will really make him think twice.... when he makes $1,000,000 a year! He could commit murder on field and get off. The media would also sympathise and defend him, and say it was "uncharacteristic' and 'he was frustrated' etc. 

If the AFL are going to stick with fines, then they need to be made proportionate to the players wage. $2000 is more for someone like Nibbler, but to a Lynch or Dangerfield it's peanuts. Slam them with $25,000. That'll stop them and that sort of money could be put to good use in the community.

Ultimately we wouldn't even be discussing this if they assessed everyone equally by the same rules. 

[Gunna’s 2,102]

Can the general public appeal a decision made by the MRP/tribunal ? 
 

I know divorce lawyers are probably busy right now but hopefully there is another out there that can fight for the little guys. 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,653]

10 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Big club. Name player. Of course he gets off. I'm sure that $2000 fine will really make him think twice.... when he makes $1,000,000 a year! He could commit murder on field and get off. The media would also sympathise and defend him, and say it was "uncharacteristic' and 'he was frustrated' etc. 

If the AFL are going to stick with fines, then they need to be made proportionate to the players wage. $2000 is more for someone like Nibbler, but to a Lynch or Dangerfield it's peanuts. Slam them with $25,000. That'll stop them and that sort of money could be put to good use in the community.

Ultimately we wouldn't even be discussing this if they assessed everyone equally by the same rules. 

One of the codes (is it the NRL?) fines players a proportion of their pay. In that way, imposing fines is equitable.

Mind you inequitable fines is a feature of society. Whether it's a parking fine or failing to wear a mask in Victoria, fines don't vary based on an individual's income. Part of the reason for that will be the difficulty in calculating a person's income without getting into the issues associated with tax returns and privacy. However, given the salary cap, the AFL must know exactly what each player is earning which would make it quite simple to calculate.

 

[FritschyBusiness 1,463]

28 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

"I think a change is required. Clearly the deterrent of fines is not stopping on-field punching in various forms and we want to stamp that out," he said.

"It's unusual (to make rule changes mid-season), but we're going to. We don't want punching to continue. We're unequivocal about that and we'll make that really clear to the players and clubs.

"We'll make a change that gives the MRP the right equipment in their classification to ensure sanctions are now matches compared to fines."

AFL to suspend players for gut, jumper punches

This was 3 years ago...

 

The AFL didnt stick to it, they are soft on their own stands.

[ThreeOneSix 954]

If I were a player and I got jumper punched I’d start unloading, it would be on like Donkey Kong. Why? Because jumper punches into the solar plexus hurt like hell, they take the wind right out of you. It’s assault. That is what it is, and if someone is assaulting you then you have the right to defend yourself, especially if the league will not look after you. You can either sit there and continue to get hit, or you can fight back.

[DeeSpencer 24,795]

They had a system where 3 fines in a season = a week suspension. But then they dropped it because "you can't be suspending someone for that".

A simple fix would be change it back to the 3 fines = a week off and then add that the counter resets for the finals series.

[Little Richard 6,216]

27 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Big club. Name player. Of course he gets off. I'm sure that $2000 fine will really make him think twice.... when he makes $1,000,000 a year! He could commit murder on field and get off. The media would also sympathise and defend him, and say it was "uncharacteristic' and 'he was frustrated' etc. 

If the AFL are going to stick with fines, then they need to be made proportionate to the players wage. $2000 is more for someone like Nibbler, but to a Lynch or Dangerfield it's peanuts. Slam them with $25,000. That'll stop them and that sort of money could be put to good use in the community.

Ultimately we wouldn't even be discussing this if they assessed everyone equally by the same rules. 

'A crime punishable by fines simply means it's legal for the rich'.

[sue 9,019]

2 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

One of the codes (is it the NRL?) fines players a proportion of their pay. In that way, imposing fines is equitable.

Mind you inequitable fines is a feature of society. Whether it's a parking fine or failing to wear a mask in Victoria, fines don't vary based on an individual's income. Part of the reason for that will be the difficulty in calculating a person's income without getting into the issues associated with tax returns and privacy. However, given the salary cap, the AFL must know exactly what each player is earning which would make it quite simple to calculate.

 

Good on the NRL, let's hope the AFL follows suit. True it is more difficult for society in general to have fines proportional to income since loads of rich people don't appear to make any money so their taxable income is vanishingly small.  But I'd still base fines on the last tax return which would cover a good fraction of the population and produce some equity.   Don't have to publish the fine if that is a privacy issue.  (Sorting out the tax dodging classes is a relatively difficult project.)

[rjay 24,616]

Back in the good old days you hit someone you got 4 weeks.

If you kicked someone you got a hell of a lot more.

Pretty simple system made complex.

4 weeks if you hit someone and I don't think you need to worry about it happening anymore...

Of course it wasn't so easy to catch anyone back in those days so they had a payback system.

You think Lynch would have done it if Collins could have had a shot back...I doubt it.

Edited August 19, 2020 by rjay

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,653]

44 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

They had a system where 3 fines in a season = a week suspension. But then they dropped it because "you can't be suspending someone for that".

A simple fix would be change it back to the 3 fines = a week off and then add that the counter resets for the finals series.

An even simpler fix would be to get rid of fines altogether and replace them with suspensions.

I would keep fines for umpire contact, melees and perhaps some other categories, though. Just abolish fines as a penalty for any offence involving violence such as punching, kicking, spitting, biting, head butting, etc. 

  

[dieter 3,325]

AFL sucks.

[Sir Why You Little 36,671]

Free Kick Richmond

Bernie Vince was punched a few years ago and was throwing up after it

No penalty as I remember 

The AFL are corrupt

[layzie 33,037]

The AFL condones punching and gut punching. They can say all they like but this is the truth, it's all well and good to stamp out little shoves and bad sportsmanship but when it comes to punches they are 'soft as butter'. 

[Ethan Tremblay 30,120]

Michael Christian has to go.