1 hour ago, Deeko2 said:

I know its bad karma to wish ill will on people, but I couldn't be happier that the Hawks have absolutely [censored] the bed.

The smugness of their club over the last few years just amazes me.  Yes they won flags and well done to them but every time a Hawks supporters pipes up about that I remind them it was when free agency came in and the draft pool was destroyed by GC and GWS leaving teams with no access to talent for development and trading.  Might not be 100% true but, well, stuff them.

The arrogance of there recruiter is on a whole other level and they have backfired massively over the last few years picking up multiple injured players and 'not quite rights' who they believed they could fix and turn into stars.

• Scully with a stuffed ankle is a shadow of his former self.  Lot's hear despise him still and talk him down but his 2016 was sensational and his 2017 year was great as a pure winger until his injury.  He ran hard on the weekend but squibbed at least 2 contests and didnt chase at times as well.
• Ty Vickery.  Was a battler at the Tigs while the Hawkers were going to turn him into Carey V2.0
• Jaeger cost them a P10 and second rounder.  Is a B Grader at best
• Patton looks slow and even before his injury I wonder if he would get a game in stronger teams
• Jono O'Rourke.  Former P2 bust who they beleived they could turn around

They clearly over rated there list when they brought in Wingard as well.  They bugger off a young talent in Ryan Burton and another first rounder to get him and although he's been good, for that kind of investment you want him being good in September.  No way they will get there.

Mitchell was a steal, I'll give them that.  His injury was awful and I'll be surprised if he gets back to his best.  

Now they have a team full of NQR mercenaries, players impacted by horrific injuries and bugger all talent coming through and I'm very excited to watch a decade of Hawthorn filth.

Aaah music, sweet music.

Never forgive them for 1987 - the supporters, not the players.  Smug entitled pack of twerps!  We have won 3 on the trot now, let's keep it coming.

Kennett is the problem. No way would he accept a year or two at the bottom to climb again. You just can't keep pinching players from other clubs and expect it to work like magic.

3 minutes ago, Salems Lot said:

Never forgive them for 1987 - the supporters, not the players.  Smug entitled pack of twerps!  We have won 3 on the trot now, let's keep it coming.

Wow,  three wins in a row vs the Hawks.  I bet that hasnt happened for 20+ years.

19 minutes ago, Salems Lot said:

Never forgive them for 1987 - the supporters, not the players.  Smug entitled pack of twerps!  We have won 3 on the trot now, let's keep it coming.

1988 GF

"merger" game

There's a long list of kickings handed out by them that we still have to pay them back for

2 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

1988 GF

"merger" game

There's a long list of kickings handed out by them that we still have to pay them back for

Yes. Maintain the Rage

3 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Out of interest have they started an "Is Clarkson the Right Man Thread".

Given that our equivalent started after the Hawthorn thrashing in 2018 it would be almost symbiotic if it did.

What is the name of the Website?

There’s two clubs that I’d like to see have an extended time towards the bottom or even just 9th-12th, Hawks and Cats. Purely for the fans, both fans have such an entitlement about them, they have known nothing but finals for so long that “that’s just where they belong”. 

I’d be wary of writing Clarko off yet but everything comes to an end at some point, I wonder if Clarko will have the stamina to go through a proper rebuild. 

3 hours ago, praha said:

Might be time for Clarkson to move on imo. He knows that a draft bonanza like he got with Franklin, Roughead, Rioli, to name a few, happens once in a blue moon and he's ultimately drafted the likes of Paton, Scully, Omeara etc to avoid bottoming out completely. Wingard has been a bust for them. He'd barely crack Port's top 22 now. They have made some strange signings the last few years. Clarkson just seems to be collecting a pay check these days.

I don't get why they went after Wingard. Burton was coming along nicely for them and didn't want to leave and the pick they sent to Port ultimately ended up as Zac Butters I think.

22 hours ago, Beetle said:

This is the bloke that got smashed by a Nate Jones lookalike Dees fan a couple of years ago after he tipped his beer on him. 

15 minutes ago, Pates said:

There’s two clubs that I’d like to see have an extended time towards the bottom or even just 9th-12th, Hawks and Cats. Purely for the fans, both fans have such an entitlement about them, they have known nothing but finals for so long that “that’s just where they belong”. 

I’d be wary of writing Clarko off yet but everything comes to an end at some point, I wonder if Clarko will have the stamina to go through a proper rebuild. 

I'll throw in Essendon.
May they permanently occupy the bottom rungs.

1 hour ago, Mazer Rackham said:

1988 GF

"merger" game

There's a long list of kickings handed out by them that we still have to pay them back for

Yep, so many reasons to hate the poohs and wees

 

5 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Out of interest have they started an "Is Clarkson the Right Man Thread".

Given that our equivalent started after the Hawthorn thrashing in 2018 it would be almost symbiotic if it did.

 

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

What is the name of the Website?

Believe it or not they did start a coach thread in 2018 that is still going.

It had a slightly different title than ours....

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/will-clarkson-add-a-5th-premiership-by-the-end-of-2022.1208116/

This was a post today...

There's a higher chance of the AFL shrinking back to a Victoria only comp than Hawthorn winning another premiership ever.

 

Almost MFCSS !

 

Just now, Diamond_Jim said:

 

Believe it or not they did start a coach thread in 2018 that is still going.

It had a slightly different title than ours....

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/will-clarkson-add-a-5th-premiership-by-the-end-of-2022.1208116/

This was a post today...

There's a higher chance of the AFL shrinking back to a Victoria only comp than Hawthorn winning another premiership ever.

 

Almost MFCSS !

 

Thanks DJ!!

On 7/19/2020 at 9:23 AM, FarNorthernD said:

I thought Josh Kelly was going to be the best player in the competition. I’m not sure what has happened to him but he has gone backwards big time. 

Imagine if the club forked out for him?

Would have been anarchy in here, never got the hype about him, doesn't kick goals, doesn't take a grab, just a seagull who runs down a wing and kicks 25m chip kicks.

Waste of money it would have been.

5 hours ago, Deeko2 said:

I know its bad karma to wish ill will on people, but I couldn't be happier that the Hawks have absolutely [censored] the bed.

The smugness of their club over the last few years just amazes me.  Yes they won flags and well done to them but every time a Hawks supporters pipes up about that I remind them it was when free agency came in and the draft pool was destroyed by GC and GWS leaving teams with no access to talent for development and trading.  Might not be 100% true but, well, stuff them.

The arrogance of there recruiter is on a whole other level and they have backfired massively over the last few years picking up multiple injured players and 'not quite rights' who they believed they could fix and turn into stars.

• Scully with a stuffed ankle is a shadow of his former self.  Lot's hear despise him still and talk him down but his 2016 was sensational and his 2017 year was great as a pure winger until his injury.  He ran hard on the weekend but squibbed at least 2 contests and didnt chase at times as well.
• Ty Vickery.  Was a battler at the Tigs while the Hawkers were going to turn him into Carey V2.0
• Jaeger cost them a P10 and second rounder.  Is a B Grader at best
• Patton looks slow and even before his injury I wonder if he would get a game in stronger teams
• Jono O'Rourke.  Former P2 bust who they beleived they could turn around

They clearly over rated there list when they brought in Wingard as well.  They bugger off a young talent in Ryan Burton and another first rounder to get him and although he's been good, for that kind of investment you want him being good in September.  No way they will get there.

Mitchell was a steal, I'll give them that.  His injury was awful and I'll be surprised if he gets back to his best.  

Now they have a team full of NQR mercenaries, players impacted by horrific injuries and bugger all talent coming through and I'm very excited to watch a decade of Hawthorn filth.

You can add Jack Fitzpatrick to that list of recruitment fails as well.

So when people say we made a mistake in trading Frost because Clarkson sees something in him, I vom.

Hawthorn, like every other club in the league, makes decisions which don't work out (and boy are they enjoyable to watch play out).

3 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

I'll throw in Essendon.
May they permanently occupy the bottom rungs.

And I'll throw in Carlton and Collingwood. And Richmond.

4 hours ago, Pates said:

There’s two clubs that I’d like to see have an extended time towards the bottom or even just 9th-12th, Hawks and Cats. Purely for the fans, both fans have such an entitlement about them, they have known nothing but finals for so long that “that’s just where they belong”. 

I’d be wary of writing Clarko off yet but everything comes to an end at some point, I wonder if Clarko will have the stamina to go through a proper rebuild. 

9th - 12th works best for me.  Not good enough to genuinely contend, but not low enough to get first dibs at the creme de la creme of the best talent at the draft either.

Unfortunately/fortunately I can see Hawthorn really bottoming out over the proceeding period, quite possibly to the point of being gifted numerous priority picks again as well.  You just need to look at the sheer numbers of aging players they have which will retire in the next year or two and with no more trade or free agency currency, I can't see how they won't take a huge dive once their side is flooded with undeveloped kids, frindge top-ups from other clubs and the state leagues.

3 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

 

Believe it or not they did start a coach thread in 2018 that is still going.

It had a slightly different title than ours....

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/will-clarkson-add-a-5th-premiership-by-the-end-of-2022.1208116/

This was a post today...

There's a higher chance of the AFL shrinking back to a Victoria only comp than Hawthorn winning another premiership ever.

 

Almost MFCSS !

 

"Ever"! Turn it up!  Hawks have averaged a flag every 4 years I've been alive.

11 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

 

Believe it or not they did start a coach thread in 2018 that is still going.

It had a slightly different title than ours....

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/will-clarkson-add-a-5th-premiership-by-the-end-of-2022.1208116/

This was a post today...

There's a higher chance of the AFL shrinking back to a Victoria only comp than Hawthorn winning another premiership ever.

 

Almost MFCSS !

 

Reading that thread is hilarious. You could change the names around and think you were reading demonland. And they won a hat-trick of flags only 5 years ago!!! Imagine if we ever win (another) hat-trick we'd be set for life!!

On 7/20/2020 at 4:42 PM, Fork 'em said:

Reckon you're spot on.
They hit the jackpot in a couple draft years picking up Hodge, Lewis, Franklin, Roughy and Rioli.
Poached Burgoyne and Gibson and as you said held their position on top with Geelong cherry picking other lists as the rest of the comp squabbled over the draft picks that GCS and GWS didn't want.

And as you say their arrogance believing their "Culture" will turn average players from other clubs into superstars has failed.
Remember they also took Fitzy.

Saw today that Clarkeson still doesn't believe the answer is going back to the draft.
I hope that dooms them to a decade or two in the doldrums.

 

They also stole David Hale from right underneath our nose. Had him all sewn up until the last 48 hours of trade period when Hawthorn came in and nabbed him.

13 hours ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

This is the bloke that got smashed by a Nate Jones lookalike Dees fan a couple of years ago after he tipped his beer on him. 

He deserved it.

9 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

You can add Jack Fitzpatrick to that list of recruitment fails as well.

So when people say we made a mistake in trading Frost because Clarkson sees something in him, I vom.

Hawthorn, like every other club in the league, makes decisions which don't work out (and boy are they enjoyable to watch play out).

In fairness to Fitzpatrick he was only brought in as an insurance depth for their talls. Don't think they ever had in mind that he would come in and eventually be a best 22 in their side. 

Fitzy is a weird unit though. He sees himself a Hawthorn man more then a Demon. Only have to see his twitter handle and constant barracking of the hawks on a weekly basis. 

14 hours ago, 640MD said:

I did not think so at the time, but wiser head  even though very much younger and a Blues supporter said it was a poor decision.

Now I am sure we did stuff it up for both of those players.   

I said that at the time, including on here and was howled down by Saty (not that that's an unusual occurrence!) and a few others.  Disastrous decision by the club.

Edited July 20, 20204 yr by Rusty Nails

The word "schadenfreude" springs to mind.

 

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

He deserved it.

In fairness to Fitzpatrick he was only brought in as an insurance depth for their talls. Don't think they ever had in mind that he would come in and eventually be a best 22 in their side. 

Fitzy is a weird unit though. He sees himself a Hawthorn man more then a Demon. Only have to see his twitter handle and constant barracking of the hawks on a weekly basis. 

He grew up a Hawks fan