Dees on Brink of Another Trade Disaster

[DurriePirate 97]

[TheoX 1,222]

Pickett was a big reach, and has shown nothing to suggest he is the next Cyril, Betts or Cameron as some on here are suggesting. Would've been a good 3rd or 4th round pick. He doesn't get the ball and he doesn't kick goals, couldn't even do that at U18 level.

This trade is a disaster unless we start winning.

Edited July 8, 2020 by TheoX

[dazzledavey36 54,869]

33 minutes ago, TheoX said:

Pickett was a big reach, and has shown nothing to suggest he is the next Cyril, Betts or Cameron as some on here are suggesting. Would've been a good 3rd or 4th round pick. He doesn't get the ball and he doesn't kick goals, couldn't even do that at U18 level.

This trade is a disaster unless we start winning.

But he wasn't a reach? Bulldogs and Port Adelaide have been noted to say that they were set to pounce with him with their first pick had we not selected him

The doggies had Pickett ahead of Weightman as well.

Hawthorn were another club that showed interest and were seriously considering him as they currently have an aging Paul Puopolo as their only small forward.

 

[Bay Riffin 1,474]

14 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

I agree going for a ruckman was just plain stupid by Melbourne as usual. We already have the best ruckman in the league. Why on earth did we need another ruckman?

thats like my kids who don't want to shop because they have enough food for just the next meal.

[Its Time for Another 4,208]

3 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

But Young would have slotted in pretty much straight away and lifted our awefull kicking skills substantially off HB almost immediately.

I think the relevant comparison is Young v Rivers not Jackson. I looked at the comparison a few weeks ago and Rivera had more disposals at much higher. DE than Young. A good HBF isn’t worth nearly as much as what Jackson will bring if he delivers. Rivers doesn’t have to be as good as Young, just nearly, for this to be a win win. So far he’s looking as good.  Rivers is the key to the success of the decision to pick Jackson and to trade for Norths picks.  

[dazzledavey36 54,869]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

 

All fair and good points, dazzle.

I wanted to highlight this part of your post.  While those above are already playing senior footy, and in some cases (Young) contributing well, I think the club eyed someone like Rivers who could do the same thing long term.  While he was quieter on the weekend, we've already seen what a confident, dashing half back he is, and he uses the ball by foot quite well.  He may not be playing to the level of a Young, but he is showing some really, really good signs.

It's harder to find a Jackson further into the draft, which is why they may have gone for him so early.  Max isn't going to play forever, and by the time he is coming good, Max will probably be on his way out.  He can learn from one of the best ruckmen in the game, and then play there for the majority of his career in much the same fashion Grundy does.

For me, I think the club did a really good job with our drafting.  They identified need - the modern tall, the zippy, creative and clever small forward, and the dashing half back who is already showing that he understands how to play both defensively and offensively.

Your points are all valid, and of course time will tell down the line, but I think at the moment we made the right decisions.

All good points Wise, and I do get where you're coming from regarding Jackson.

As you said, for now time will tell. 

[Watts the matter 1,235]

4 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

As I said mate, the combination of knowing they wouldn't end up getting him and deciding to draft for needs meant we didn't go for him.

What are you basing this on Lord Nev? 

From my memory, we saw our draft board on one of the media productions and our top 5 was Rowell, Jackson, Green, Young, Robertson in that order. 

If Taylor had Green ahead of Rowell, he should be shown the door. 

Given that we took Pickett when Robertson was still available you could claim we didnt follow our rating there but I firmly believe we rated Jackson as the second best player in the draft.

 

[titan_uranus 25,014]

1 hour ago, TheoX said:

Pickett was a big reach, and has shown nothing to suggest he is the next Cyril, Betts or Cameron as some on here are suggesting. Would've been a good 3rd or 4th round pick. He doesn't get the ball and he doesn't kick goals, couldn't even do that at U18 level.

This trade is a disaster unless we start winning.

This is the dumbest thing written in this thread.

The HUN article isn't the problem. We have our fair share of supporters who think the trade was a bad idea. Some, like @TheoX here, simply say the trade is bad until we win, in which case presumably it will be good.

The most classic of classic hindsight reasoning.

It's not like we threw a first round pick in the bin without using it at all. What we did was bring it forward into 2019. That was done in part because we saw ourselves rising up the ladder in 2020, and in part because we thought a first round pick in 2019 was worth more than a first round pick in 2020. 

Put to one side the fact that we've played 4 games out of 17 this year. In backing us in to improve in 2020, the club did what most people on here want. It set a higher standard for our performance.

The alternative was to keep our 2020 first rounder because we were worried of finishing on the bottom again. That sort of attitude is "accepting mediocrity", isn't it?

[Lord Nev 13,512]

26 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

What are you basing this on Lord Nev? 

From my memory, we saw our draft board on one of the media productions and our top 5 was Rowell, Jackson, Green, Young, Robertson in that order. 

If Taylor had Green ahead of Rowell, he should be shown the door. 

Given that we took Pickett when Robertson was still available you could claim we didnt follow our rating there but I firmly believe we rated Jackson as the second best player in the draft.

Just what I was told a fair way out from the draft, by the same person who told me we were likely to take Jackson.

[Diamond_Jim 12,570]

Let's put it this way....if you knew we were going to finish 17/18 in 2020 would you have done the trade?

FWIW I'm ok with the trade but in typical MFC mode nothing ever quite works out to plan

Edited July 8, 2020 by Diamond_Jim

[Redleg 40,902]

4 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

This is utterly ridiculous that posters are complaining about a draft that hasn't happened yet, a player that hasn't been selected yet, in a season that's only one quarter over.  As some have said, but some chose to completely disregard, we won't know if it is a good trade or a bad trade until all the players have been selected and played some games. 

Even if it is pick one, there is no guarantee that Nth picks up a better player than Pickett.  Surely Melbourne supporters understand better than most that pick numbers mean absolutely nothing.

It's amateurish, outrage generating, click-bait and the usuals are falling for it hook, line and sinker.

 

 

 

I have it on good authority, that whatever pick North end up with from us, they will draft the greatest AFL player of all time, who will single handedly carry his team to 5 flags. 
Seriously though, I think Pickett will be a very good player for us once we get some more games into him and they fix up our F50 entries.

[Demon Disciple 12,120]

Sorry @TeamPlayedFine39, but whatever pick we could’ve ended up with at the this years draft is surely going to become the greatest player of all time, MFCSS would no doubt see to that ?

[Deemania since 56 6,634]

21 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Pickett is a ripper. Be patient this year. He’s electric. Mentor and guide but just let him rip. 

Spot on!

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

23 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes. DD36 We are in sync. We didn’t need Jackson. We have Gawn who has 5-6 years more. And in after 3-4 years of development, Eagles or Dockers will offer three bags of gold to get him back to WA. Could have got Green or Ash who are ready made and show great signs already. 
 

Pickett is a ripper. Be patient this year. He’s electric. Mentor and guide but just let him rip. 

Exactly.  Fcs i hope they don't try and turn him into a robotic defensive beast only type and take all the instinctiv flare / class and finish away.

Pickett isn't the type you expect to rack up a mass of possessions.  Mind you it will take time to get to the level expected of a small nippy goal sneak forward.

What i am hoping for is a 10 to 12 possession a game type player that scores or assists consistently with those.

2 odd goals on average and a number of score involvements / assists and chase down tackles i50 and he's playing his role imv.

To get there though, he is going to need a genuine KF (or two) to feed / read off.  At the moment we have zippo.

This is another reason i am keen to see May trialed up forward if T-Mac, Brown and Weid all flop prior to that.

Edited July 8, 2020 by Rusty Nails

[dazzledavey36 54,869]

4 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Exactly.  Fcs i hope they don't try and turn him into a robotic defensive beast only type and take all the instinctiv flare / class and finish away.

Pickett isn't the type you expect to rack up a mass of possessions.  Mind you it will take time to get to the level expected of a small nippy goal sneak forward.

What i am hoping for is a 10 to 12 possession a game type player that scores or assists consistently with those.

2 odd goals on average and a number of score involvements / assists and chase down tackles i50 and he's playing his role imv.

To get there though, he is going to need a genuine KF forward (or two) to feed / read off.  At the moment we have zippo.

This is another reason i am keen to see May trialed up forward if T-Mac, Brown and Weid all flop prior to that.

Cyril or Betts weren't the type to big big possessions either..

[Rossmillan 589]

On 7/7/2020 at 6:11 PM, Lord Travis said:

Could possibly wind up handing over pick 1. That would be disaster.

Have you seen the crows play this year :.)

[Half forward flank 1,022]

24 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Exactly.  Fcs i hope they don't try and turn him into a robotic defensive beast only type and take all the instinctiv flare / class and finish away.

Pickett isn't the type you expect to rack up a mass of possessions.  Mind you it will take time to get to the level expected of a small nippy goal sneak forward.

What i am hoping for is a 10 to 12 possession a game type player that scores or assists consistently with those.

2 odd goals on average and a number of score involvements / assists and chase down tackles i50 and he's playing his role imv.

To get there though, he is going to need a genuine KF (or two) to feed / read off.  At the moment we have zippo.

This is another reason i am keen to see May trialed up forward if T-Mac, Brown and Weid all flop prior to that.

We are Goody have nothing to lose now. Caution to the wind.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

19 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Cyril or Betts weren't the type to big big possessions either..

Yes quality over quantity for these type of players Dazzle.

[Earl Hood 6,086]

With the TAC U18’s not happening recruiters won’t have a lot of observed form to go on at draft time. What do they go on, the boys Under 16 form and their physical abilities at the draft camp? Wouldn’t be the greatest year to have the first pick with the odds of getting it right reduced even further than it already is. Won’t be our problem. 

[Pates 9,660]

I like the look of Kozzie and he was a needs based trade. We had been crying out for a small electric forward for years (we should've been looking and chasing hard at the end of 2018), Kozzie was the clear standout and has shown enough for me to believe he will be good for the club.

The trade isn't the problem, it's the club's inability to ensure it turns into a win by finishing higher.

[Lord Travis 10,729]

14 hours ago, Rossmillan said:

Have you seen the crows play this year :.)

I have unfortunately. Even in their limp pathetic form they have scored better than us, just not defended as well. Real possibility we'll be battling them for the wooden spoon.

[Demon17 5,188]

On 7/7/2020 at 6:07 PM, Axis of Bob said:

Reasons why this is a terrible story.

1: Kossie Pickett.

2: Heavily compromised 2020 draft.

3: Free second and third round picks.

4: Kossie Pickett.

Nice. Picked it .

[titan_uranus 25,014]

3 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

I have unfortunately. Even in their limp pathetic form they have scored better than us, just not defended as well. Real possibility we'll be battling them for the wooden spoon.

Not that this matters too much, but that's not correct.

Adelaide's season average is 6.6. Ours is 7.7.

Since the re-start they're doing even worse: they average 5 goals per game, we average 7.3 (just saying that out loud is such a downer).

Them being in the GC hub might have affected that, but they are unquestionably worse than us in all facets of the game.

[Pennant St Dee 13,172]

On 7/8/2020 at 8:25 AM, Demon3 said:

I just went and did some historical research.. found 3 articles without even trying saying Steven May is basically teh missing link for Melbourne..  AFL media are the most unaccountable, hypocritical, sensitive, hyperbolic sensationalist group going around. 

And Kane Cornes who is calling us out on it and saying the footy department overrated the list.

Well Kane my friend they weren't the only ones, you selected us as Premiers for 2019.

David King said we had all the pieces in place, by sorting out our defence. He even continued the theme throughout the season when we were dropping games saying he wasn't worried about the Demons and put it down to the surgeries.

Everyone is a hindsight genius

[Adam The God 30,224]

I expect nothing less from the Murdoch press than this rubbish, but given the lack of TAC in 2020 and the ensuing COVID-19 flow on effects, I'd say our trading in this instance looks even better.

Time will tell, but the 2020 draft was likely to be severely compromised and now the 18 year olds being drafted have missed a pretty crucial year of development.