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21 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

and this is the point.....or at least the glass half full point.  pakula hinted strongly there was more to come

but you're welcome to take the glass half empty point of view ☹️

I will be waiting with baited breath. Because we are owed a multi-million dollar precinct with state of the training and administrative facilities and a social club. 

Given our dues, I would even lobby for a special exit on the Monash FWY that takes us directly to the precinct. New imaging technology can be used to scan rear license plates of incoming vehicles to see if the infamous Melbourne logo sticker is present. ? 

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4 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

and this is the point.....or at least the glass half full point.  pakula hinted strongly there was more to come

but you're welcome to take the glass half empty point of view ☹️

Exactly. I can't believe the State Govt would call a press conference to make this announcement if there was a risk that MFC would be moving elsewhere very shortly.  This was a State Govt announcement it's not an announcement MFC had control over. All you Pert haters like @Mach5 etc, what would you be saying if the State Govt made this announcement and Pert and the Club said nothing.

Unlike most other clubs we don't even have the land for this so we're dealing with multiple Govt bodies try to get public land as well as the facilities. Yeh it's frustrating it's not sorted yet but come on take a bit of what @daisycutter is having and treat it as a glass half full progression. 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Exactly. I can't believe the State Govt would call a press conference to make this announcement if there was a risk that MFC would be moving elsewhere very shortly.  This was a State Govt announcement it's not an announcement MFC had control over. All you Pert haters like @Mach5 etc, what would you be saying if the State Govt made this announcement and Pert and the Club said nothing.

Unlike most other clubs we don't even have the land for this so we're dealing with multiple Govt bodies try to get public land as well as the facilities. Yeh it's frustrating it's not sorted yet but come on take a bit of what @daisycutter is having and treat it as a glass half full progression. 

 

 

 

Could not agree more it’s time. To compare us to Geelong or Footscray is ridiculous  . 

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9 minutes ago, Grimes Times said:

Too far away from what? . An empty CBD or is it close to the mass migration to the outer burbs/ county regions that he Mornington peninsula is part of. Doesn't hurt Geelong to be based close to a surf coast / semi rural region.  Casey being too far away I think is overplayed. Otherwise I agree with your other points especially 4 locking in AMMI as the site.

I'm a reasonably keen MFC supporter who lives in Bayside and Casey is "too far away" for me to visit on anything more than an occasional basis.  I think a more central location is more accessible for the majority of players and fans.

I'm fine with Casey as a component of our set-up.  The ground is full-size, the surface seems good and the gyms etc are apparently state-of-the art. But I don't think it's an attractive primary location for player attraction and retention.

I think Geelong is a special case.  It seems St.Kilda couldn't get Frankston to work and have moved back to Moorabbin.  I think somewhere like Caulfield racecourse would be fine in that arose but AAMI Park is the best alternative.

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I think upgrading Gosch's Paddock to a full sized AFL ground and better facilities at AAMI Park seems the most practical solution. The location is excellent and it won't cost a bomb.

The main issue I see is if we will we ever be able to hold private training sessions on Gosch's Paddock? i.e. using some sort of temporary screening. Otherwise, we will likely have to venture down to Casey once a week to do our tactical training sessions.

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We should continue to train at Casey. We shouldn't toss away whatever good will we have built up over the years. "Thanks Casey, but we've found a hotter chick. You can [censored] off."

Plus, possession is nine tenths of the law. If we abandon Casey, some other club will swoop in and pick up the pieces and build on our good work. If for no other reason than to thwart them, we should continue our relationship with Casey.

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On 8/2/2021 at 5:44 PM, Demon Disciple said:

Tulip’s Field more like it

I like it. So we should have a memorial walk lined with tulips from AAMI stadium to Gosch's paddock named the Flower Walk?

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All this palaver about getting MCG length and Docklands width is just spin - it looks like they will be skimping 13 meters width to get essentially only a Docklands sized ground.  The hair splitting re MCG length 160m (vs 159.5 m Doclkands) is just that - hair splitting.

What could possibly be the problem with getting the extra 13 meters width?  One tree??

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Possibly the minister did mention that no trees would be impacted by this construction.!!!

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59 minutes ago, monoccular said:

All this palaver about getting MCG length and Docklands width is just spin - it looks like they will be skimping 13 meters width to get essentially only a Docklands sized ground.  The hair splitting re MCG length 160m (vs 159.5 m Doclkands) is just that - hair splitting.

What could possibly be the problem with getting the extra 13 meters width?  One tree??

well the way i’m looking at it, if i’ve got my facts straight, is that i think casey is mcg sized. so we have one marvel size and one mcg. IF that’s so i’m happy enough.

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On 8/2/2021 at 10:12 AM, Gouga said:

Gonna beat the buzzer here. AAMI Park is being extended to accommodate the womens football world cup in 2023. Once that is over, a portion of the upgraded facility will be handed to us along with the bigger oval. Should result in our own gym, rooms, etc.

Having had some experience with FIFA's strict requirements and standards for World Cup stadiums and training facilities, whatever is handed over to us at the end of the women's World Cup will definitely be state of the art facilities.

In addition, one key element of any World Cup bid is a demonstration of the legacy of what happens to the facilities once the Cup is over. While I have no idea what our Cup bid looked like, a legacy of providing key facilities for the worlds oldest football Club would certainly not have hurt our bid.

"Legacy", from my experience, generally implies the item is given away. If this is the case, then we could end up with a state of the art home base in our preferred location for basically no cost. This would be a stunning outcome for the Club if true.

  

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2 hours ago, monoccular said:

All this palaver about getting MCG length and Docklands width is just spin - it looks like they will be skimping 13 meters width to get essentially only a Docklands sized ground.  The hair splitting re MCG length 160m (vs 159.5 m Doclkands) is just that - hair splitting.

What could possibly be the problem with getting the extra 13 meters width?  One tree??

Greens see one tree as the thin edge mono. 

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3 minutes ago, old dee said:

Greens see one tree as the thin edge mono. 

Tell them we will replace it with a windmill ... and export the wood from the fallen tree to the wood fired power generators in Germany that are reputedly currently importing timber from North America 

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3 hours ago, monoccular said:

All this palaver about getting MCG length and Docklands width is just spin - it looks like they will be skimping 13 meters width to get essentially only a Docklands sized ground.  The hair splitting re MCG length 160m (vs 159.5 m Doclkands) is just that - hair splitting.

What could possibly be the problem with getting the extra 13 meters width?  One tree??

I'm totally with you on this 'mono'...why would we spend money on what is essentially a sub standard oval. 

Not the way to start a state of the art facility...we are so far behind it's just not funny.

Step one of the plan needs to be an  MCG size oval (not a kinda MCG hybrid) then we work out from there.

If we can't get it at Goschs then forget it.

edit: everyone is so wanting a base that they're willing to accept 2nd best and think it's the greatest thing since...

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20 minutes ago, rjay said:

edit: everyone is so wanting a base that they're willing to accept 2nd best and think it's the greatest thing since...

given the location compromise was always going to be the outcome.

What worries me is that we have locked ourselves into 20th century training facilities when many other clubs have now moved beyond anything we can deliver in the MCG precinct

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1 hour ago, old dee said:

Greens see one tree as the thin edge mono. 

 

56 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Tell them we will replace it with a windmill ... and export the wood from the fallen tree to the wood fired power generators in Germany that are reputedly currently importing timber from North America 

What if we tell the Greens that we're also taking out two lanes of Punt Road? That will discourage car use...and allow Gosch's Paddock to be extened to MCG width. 

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1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

 

What if we tell the Greens that we're also taking out two lanes of Punt Road? That will discourage car use...and allow Gosch's Paddock to be extened to MCG width. 

My first thought as well LDV. Push oval out to Punt Road, making it one line both ways (let’s face it, it won’t make the car park that is Punt Road any worse).

Will reduce both noise and car emission pollution. ?

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9 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

 

What if we tell the Greens that we're also taking out two lanes of Punt Road? That will discourage car use...and allow Gosch's Paddock to be extened to MCG width. 

No way - they would take the opportunity to put in a 4 lane "bicycle superhighway".

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13 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

well the way i’m looking at it, if i’ve got my facts straight, is that i think casey is mcg sized. so we have one marvel size and one mcg. IF that’s so i’m happy enough.

Exactly.

Both with perfect turf, with proper drainage.

And let's not over egg the pudding on the importance of training on a ground with the exact dimensions of the g.

Let's consider the winners of the last 5 flags. Tigers x 3. Dogs.  Eagles.

I assume the Eagles have a g size training ground (though not sure), but the tigers and dogs don't. Not even close.

Punt road and written oval are probably no bigger that goshs is currently.

 

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Aren’t we better off having an oval that is different dimensions to the G seeing as we already have Casey? Practice on Gosch’s paddock before we play a smaller ground and Casey before we play the G. Better to have options I reckon

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Geelong kissed on the [censored] again with another $142m to finish off KP (all paid for by the taxpayer of course). How much have they be given in total now for their ground redevelopment?

Meanwhile, we're lucky to be getting a $3m upgrade of Gosch's paddock (to which the MFC has contributed to). FMD, when it comes to our turn Governments are going to be crying poor stating that there's no money left to give😠

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fnews%2Fvictoria%2Ffinal-stage-of-kardinia-park-upgrade-revealed%2Fnews-story%2Fcac63c9645f7fe9f6b251496c1b9180e&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium

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10 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Geelong kissed on the [censored] again with another $142m to finish off KP (all paid for by the taxpayer of course). How much have they be given in total now for their ground redevelopment?

Meanwhile, we're lucky to be getting a $3m upgrade of Gosch's paddock (to which the MFC has contributed to). FMD, when it comes to our turn Governments are going to be crying poor stating that there's no money left to give😠

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fnews%2Fvictoria%2Ffinal-stage-of-kardinia-park-upgrade-revealed%2Fnews-story%2Fcac63c9645f7fe9f6b251496c1b9180e&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium

Is that $142 Mill on top of the $140 mill they have already milked?

I can’t open the article 

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36 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Geelong kissed on the [censored] again with another $142m to finish off KP (all paid for by the taxpayer of course). How much have they be given in total now for their ground redevelopment?

Meanwhile, we're lucky to be getting a $3m upgrade of Gosch's paddock (to which the MFC has contributed to). FMD, when it comes to our turn Governments are going to be crying poor stating that there's no money left to give😠

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fnews%2Fvictoria%2Ffinal-stage-of-kardinia-park-upgrade-revealed%2Fnews-story%2Fcac63c9645f7fe9f6b251496c1b9180e&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium

It's paid by marking up reserve accounts. 😛 No taxpayer involved, sorry.

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Come on can someone find out why the hell all the other clubs get money to do what they want???:o

Geelong, and all other Vic clubs have been given money twice over, whilst we have been left the crumbs🤬

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