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And how did Port perform with him in the role? Massive underachievers. Yawn from me.

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4 minutes ago, sue said:

No, that's not last year's data analyst.  It's just one of our relentlessly negative posters at work.

No I thought it was one of the happy clappers responding to a negative poster

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15 hours ago, Kent said:

Yawn not convinced it makes any difference

Perhaps it's an age thing 

Any way welcome who ever you are.

 

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59 minutes ago, SFebes said:

And how did Port perform with him in the role? Massive underachievers. Yawn from me.

Yeah agree.

Just like Yze at the hawks. Everyone bangs on about how great it would have been for the dees to get him to the club. But how did they perform with him the role last year?

Yawn from me.

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17 hours ago, Good Lord George said:

The Hun are reporting we've poached a data analyst from Port.

"The Demons have poached Robert Younger after a two-year stint at the Power to bolster the club’s statistical analysis arm.

In the role, Younger, who created the website ‘Figuring Footy’, will try and keep the Demons at the forefront of the AFL’s latest game trends."

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/melbourne-poach-data-analyst-from-port-adelaide-for-season-2020/news-story/b6c391422e17bccee46ff2d6caac5801

Corporate spends big money in this arena so it’s not surprising to see it spreading to the footy industry. Getting the right data insights can put you ahead of the curve. But that’s only half the equation - it’s what you do with it that matters. Will Goodwin be brave and bold enough to take action? 

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1 hour ago, binman said:

Yeah agree.

Just like Yze at the hawks. Everyone bangs on about how great it would have been for the dees to get him to the club. But how did they perform with him the role last year?

Yawn from me.

Me too. Also getting Langdon and Tomlinson? How did Freo go last year with Langdon they only finished 13th?Tomlinson got smashed in a grand final. Massive yawns for me. 

We should only be recruiting premiership winners. Jacob Townsend and Chris Mastern are two players who have won premiership recently. Why aren't we going hard at them? 

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Nothing says analytics like Port Adelaide's win/loss record while Mr Younger has been on board

2018: 12-11  

2019: 11-11 

The trend is your friend! 

 

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2 hours ago, SFebes said:

And how did Port perform with him in the role? Massive underachievers. Yawn from me.

Maybe they would have been a lot worse without him? Lets not be so quick to punish the club for trying. The HUN talking it up like its a major coup, maybe.. just maybe.. its just good management and we see this role as an important part of the puzzle, it takes a few pieces.  

The club really is damned if they do and dammed if they dont.

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Despite some negativity, the club has to continue to get the best available talent on and off the field. Identify the needs and get the best available talent for the role. 

If the club was not making changes, I would be concerned. 

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1 hour ago, CYB said:

Corporate spends big money in this arena so it’s not surprising to see it spreading to the footy industry. Getting the right data insights can put you ahead of the curve. But that’s only half the equation - it’s what you do with it that matters. Will Goodwin be brave and bold enough to take action? 

This is rubbish. Goodwin has track record as a tactical innovator. The question is, are the idiots brave enough to back the data and innovations or will they continue to scream "kick it long" every chance they get?

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2 hours ago, CYB said:

Corporate spends big money in this arena so it’s not surprising to see it spreading to the footy industry. Getting the right data insights can put you ahead of the curve. But that’s only half the equation - it’s what you do with it that matters. Will Goodwin be brave and bold enough to take action? 

Ahhh, beat me to it @deanox :) 

Goodwin clearly has been innovative and some would suggest it has been at the detriment to winning matches. 

Of course (with hindsight) all innovations looks great if you win, and poor if loose. So he's on a bit of a hiding to nothing from some corners...

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A welcome appointment. Data can be your friend if you have someone who knows what to collect, and how to organise and provide it to end users so its useful for them.

This is data way beyond the footy stats we see in the paper or on the App. 

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You can’t say they aren’t trying 

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4 hours ago, binman said:

Yeah agree.

Just like Yze at the hawks. Everyone bangs on about how great it would have been for the dees to get him to the club. But how did they perform with him the role last year?

Yawn from me.

I was also not pro for getting Yze, he had been in the role for just a year and Hawks played just as bad as anyone this year. I'm all for getting people in, but I think we should be aiming for a lot better. Maybe all they had to do was get rid of one person, we shall see by round 6. I struggle to see what Tomlinson adds besides maybe overhead marking around the wing, Langdon is also a butcher but both upgrades on Stretch and JKH. We need a star, but in the box and on the field.

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Data Collection and Analysis is crucial in the Modern Game, no doubt about that. But last Season our list was just not nearly fit enough, so stats meant bugger all this year. 
i expect a massive improvement over this coming Summer, and if Goodwin is serious in keeping his job, i think we will get that improvement with Burgess now coming in fresh. 
We will have a very good idea during the Practice Matches, which i hope are taken very seriously. 

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39 minutes ago, SFebes said:

I was also not pro for getting Yze, he had been in the role for just a year and Hawks played just as bad as anyone this year. I'm all for getting people in, but I think we should be aiming for a lot better. Maybe all they had to do was get rid of one person, we shall see by round 6. I struggle to see what Tomlinson adds besides maybe overhead marking around the wing, Langdon is also a butcher but both upgrades on Stretch and JKH. We need a star, but in the box and on the field.

<----- the point

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The point of these statements is you shouldn't be judging a football clubs performance on one person. It's fine to not be excited by this appointment but how about having a look at what he has done and basing your arguments on what he has or hasn't done rather than the football club as a whole.

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The Ox, Marko and KB (Yes he's back on in the arvo's on 1278 Macquarie, commencing this arvo...until the Spring carnival finishes anyway) were talking about this and the Burgess 'approved' Dr Peter Brukner appointment just now.

All very positive imv and tells me the club is leaving no stone unturned to get us to an elite level in terms of off field FD support staff.

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59 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

the club is leaving no stone unturned

Personally, I endeavour to leave no turn unstoned.

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For anyone interested in the data analytics/off field side of the game give the podcast "Trends with Mark McGowan" a listen. I just found it a couple of weeks ago and smashed the whole series in a couple of weeks.

Some great stuff in there particularly the episodes with Ben Darwin (ep 16) Seth Partnow (ep 21) and Cody Royle (ep 23)

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12 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

It was Pete Roberts, Football Technology Manager who was part of Mahoney's Football Department.  I think he had been there 7/8 years.  It is possible that he didn't keep up with industry changes.   Glen Luff and Rob Younger are both ex Champion Data so would be really up to date and know how to use the raw data for decision making.  We also have two Football Analysts.

iirc there was a time when each line coach had their own Data Analyst but that seems to have gone long ago.

I would guess the new Data Analyst role supersedes or changes some of Football Analyst/Technology roles.  Hopefully the new role is part of the Coaching Group and not part of the Football Department as the coaches will be his primary 'clients' during the season.

Cheers LH. I think quite different roles but there's been some blending over time if you look at the duties performed on LinkedIn.

I don't want to talk out of school - but a quick comparison of resumes shows Roberts completed a Intermedia/Multimedia degree in 2004 (during his stint with Hawthorn), while Younger added an advanced diploma in mathematics & statistics last year to an earlier BComm in actuarial science.

It seemed that Roberts ran technology and sat above our analysts. My take - we'd be switching this around. Have an analyst drive the tech function and farm out the grunt work (apologies to any AV guys among us). If so, a good move - but a little slow to evolve. 

12 hours ago, Sorry kids said:

Robert Younger, who works in analytics at Port Adelaide, wrote on Twitter that data from the past five seasons reveals the average footballer, under average pressure, kicks the Gawn shot 83 per cent of the time.

Err, thanks Sorry Kids. 

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11 hours ago, SFebes said:

And how did Port perform with him in the role? Massive underachievers. Yawn from me.

You're ignoring:

- the huge range of factors that contribute to a team underperforming

- how they might have performed had he NOT been there. (which could have been even worse).

Much of which is covered by:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outcome_bias

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On 10/27/2019 at 6:17 PM, Lucifer's Hero said:

Exactly.  That is a typical example.  Here is a link to his website with a host of such articles:  https://figuringfooty.com/author/ryounger/  Understandly, the website hasn't been updated since he joined Port.

I would imagine Rob will proactively create information for our coaches and respond to specific info they want about players and the impact of coaching tactics.

Will also help with recruiting in the future as the data from U18 games is improved.

To do my own Moneyball reference, wonder if these guys have lists of fringe players that they think clubs can get on the cheap and play a key role. Not as easy as in baseball where there are significantly less variables affecting the stats but we could do with plucking a few randoms from other clubs and seeing them star.

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