The listing of the substance the day before the self reporting all but confirms Demetrious illegal call to Hird.

16 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

The listing of the substance the day before the self reporting all but confirms Demetrious illegal call to Hird.

Yes. Because he knew they did it and were about to get busted so self reporting was a way of lessening the punishments they were going to cop

The AFL should never have given the medal to Cotchin and Mitchell in the first place precisely because of the possibility that one day new evidence might have cleared Watson. Note that I am not saying the story today has necssarily done that, but it's a problem entirely avoidable if the AFL had decided when it stripped Watson of the medal to leave the Brownlow unawarded for that year. 

1. Essendon have no paperwork so can’t prove anything.

2. Doesn’t change the 40+ times players lied when being tested about having injections.

dirty lying cheats.

That reporter on the ABC Radio National is at it again trying to excuse Essendon. According to him this morning, the ASADA response to the HS article was just a blanket denial of wrongdoing and did not address the points raised.  A blatant lie.  Then he adds some irrelevant scuttlebutt to pour scorn on the whole issue.  The ABC should sack him.

9 hours ago, Redleg said:

I haven't been sucked in at all. Read my OP.

I am saying this is a way for the AFL to give Jobe back his Brownlow without losing face.

I am not going through the whole saga again.

I think you have mate. Buried deep in most of the articles is the actual facts around this and how it doesn't actually make any difference.

The ban still stands.

The Brownlow result sill stands.

Nothing has changed.

9 hours ago, Redleg said:

It is the record, not the little medallion that is important.

Anyone can find a lost medal in the street, it doesn't mean they were awarded it.

I'd suggest down the track the little medallion will still be worth a pretty penny if sold.

2 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

I think you have mate. Buried deep in most of the articles is the actual facts around this and how it doesn't actually make any difference.

The ban still stands.

The Brownlow result sill stands.

Nothing has changed.

We will see.

Please don’t misunderstand what I am saying. I am not saying they are innocent I am saying this might lead to Jobe getting his win back.

Edited October 16, 20195 yr by Redleg

Didn't they also 'misplace' a bunch of the records of who was jabbed with what?

Thanks for the safe space to ask this innocent question without Essendon cult nuffies jumping in.

There is no way in the world the AFL will open this up again. They want it glossed over, hidden away, kept out of sight and never mentioned, like an inbred royal, if for no other reason than to avoid re-scrutiny of their own role in it.

i'm scratching my head trying to understand what the new evidence is

they seem to be just resurrecting the same old arguments that have previously been rebuffed and extensively argued

nothing to see here except that the essendrug apologists will never cease (specially the essendon cheerleaders in the media )

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

10 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

There is no way in the world the AFL will open this up again. They want it glossed over, hidden away, kept out of sight and never mentioned, like an inbred royal, if for no other reason than to avoid re-scrutiny of their own role in it.

Suspect you are right.

Remind me was the Brownlow considered part of the "medals" etc that the WADA rules required be stripped from a guilty player or was it just an internal recognition award.

Always has amazed me that Vlad and the AFL did not demand full paperwork and reciept Records from Essendrug, as they ultimately control the License to be in the Competition. 
Produce the Records or STFU Essendrug 

You got off lightly, take one look at Thompson to get an idea...

Edited October 17, 20195 yr by Sir Why You Little

17 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

What makes you think Watson gave the medal back....last time I heard he "couldn't locate it".

 

Maybe Jab gave it to Dank 'for services rendered'?

On 10/16/2019 at 2:01 PM, Demonland said:

Will the ceremony include a stripping of the Brownlow off Cotchin?

Ceremony will be at Dank's house. He's patched up the bullet holes in his front door.

Why would anyone sympathetic to Essendon ever bring that whole saga back up again. The only way Essendon will ever fully recover from the whole doping fiasco is to accept that it happened, they paid for it, and they'll never do it or think about it ever again.

Sometimes dead is better.

2 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

What a magnificent Photo. I wonder if it was completely set up or just beautifully snapped? Either way it is a glorious reminder 

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

What a magnificent Photo. I wonder if it was completely set up or just beautifully snapped? Either way it is a glorious reminder 

Jab are locksmiths. But the timing was brilliant!

24 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Jab are locksmiths. But the timing was brilliant!

Retrieving paperwork and USB’s before Bolting

Excellent

This has all come up because they want Daniher to feel sorry for "em, and come back into the fold.....

and he probably doesn't want to play with Stringer anyway...........

11 hours ago, Supermercado said:

Didn't they also 'misplace' a bunch of the records of who was jabbed with what?

 

This is the bit that always puzzles me, out of the whole rotten saga.

It’s inconceivable electronic records were not kept. There are forensic IT teams that can retrieve deleted data.

I’ve never read a good explanation of how the records are missing and not retrievable.

Were they only recorded on Danks personal laptop with no backup and that has gone missing?

Data just doesn’t go missing if there is a will to find it.

Edited October 17, 20195 yr by Wrecker45
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10 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

This is the bit that always puzzles me, out of the whole rotten saga.

It’s inconceivable electronic records were not kept. There are forensic IT teams that can retrieve deleted data.

I’ve never read a good explanation of how the records are missing and not retrievable.

Were they only recorded on Danks personal laptop with no backup and that has gone missing?

Data just doesn’t go missing if there is a will to find it.

How much did they want the data and to what end?

My gut feeling is the outcome was considered fair to all parties, best move on rather than have real evidence of what happened with unknown future ramifications. The irony is that Essendon cannot claim deniability if some future heath horror arises as they have "lost" the evidence that they may depend on. 

I would bet my last dollar that accurate records of the entire drug program are safely stored away most likely by (rhymes with tank) as a leverage tool. If he should pass away I imagine a few copies may emerge.

11 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

Were they only recorded on Danks personal laptop with no backup and that has gone missing?

Most likely. Any copies are shredded & in land fill, and any other laptops are at the bottom of the Yarra.

 

37 minutes ago, ManDee said:

I would bet my last dollar that accurate records of the entire drug program are safely stored away most likely by (rhymes with tank) as a leverage tool. If he should pass away I imagine a few copies may emerge.

The dark dim dank character almost certainly kept detailed records of his programme. His whole idea was to use EFC as a guinea pig to develop a "sports science" scheme he could sell shrink wrapped and in bulk to sporting clubs all over the world. There is no way he was not keeping track of dosages, timings, effects, etc. 

On 10/17/2019 at 7:41 AM, sue said:

That reporter on the ABC Radio National is at it again trying to excuse Essendon. According to him this morning, the ASADA response to the HS article was just a blanket denial of wrongdoing and did not address the points raised.  A blatant lie.  Then he adds some irrelevant scuttlebutt to pour scorn on the whole issue.  The ABC should sack him.

Warwick Hadfield is a Hirdashian. Also the scientist with the new claims, Bob O'Dea is a Bombers member so has no independence at all. Just the same people looking for new ways to clear Saint James.