Farewell to Our First Pick in 2020

[Farmer 883]

2 hours ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Agreed, they're going all in

they might throw up some hail marys to try and land some guns from other clubs, if not i'd be grabbing Young and then one of Flanders or Ash at 8

No mate! Dillon Stephens!

[Fat Tony 5,231]

20 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

The fact that we are holding a pick not much further down the line from pick 3 increases the logic of nominating Tom Green. If GWS want to be assured of getting two first round players, they have to have control of pick 3 so it makes sense for them to offer us 6 ++ and maybe another + to achieve that outcome.

I agree that GWS will want #3 and we should leverage that. But I don’t see that #8 makes that much difference. 
 

I like the idea of taking Greene if available anyway. It doesn’t fit our need but I see the best draft strategy being to minimise errors and so I like us taking big midfielders. 

[binman 42,986]

I'm not sure really How I feel about this in terms it if being a wise move. Time will obviously tell.

But I decided yes because I love that it is a bold move that ensures  if nothing else tbat we will be the only thing discussed all day tommorow on trade radio.

Also I find it amusing to think of the critics of the dees not being able to work out how to criticise the move.

[John Demonic 5,797]

Why the [censored] couldnt we just trade 2020 1st for pick 8...

[Mt. Dee-Maaan 608]

i'd just like to remind everyone that although we have traded away our picks for next year... we will also be most probably trading out players that no longer fit into our structure moving forward (whether that be a petracca, brayshaw, hunt, salem, etc..). we will find picks next year, don't worry. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

17 minutes ago, Farmer said:

No mate! Dillon Stephens!

Dylan FTW! ??

[Demon17 5,188]

4 hours ago, deanox said:

Yeah we'd need to get something else back: the value isn't there in what is written.

But also, apparently next year's draft is super compromised. 17 of the 48 players selected for the under 17 all stars side (arguably the best players for best year's draft) are academy or father son players, plus GC priority picks.  So perhaps our first pick might not be until the 20s?

Correct.  Smart move by the club.

[Jaded No More 68,922]

16 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Why the [censored] couldnt we just trade 2020 1st for pick 8...

Why would North do that in a compromised draft and when we could easily finish in the top 8? 

We had to sweeten the deal which is where our second round pick came in (our third round pick is inconsequential to me as we wouldn’t have had enough room on our list to use it come draft day with 3,8 and a second round pick). 

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

2 hours ago, Kelpien said:

Just playing devil's advocate here but what if we finish bottom next year?

Many jobs will be vacated 

[TheoX 1,222]

4 hours ago, Bay Riffin said:

This literally looks like the worst trade of picks I have ever seen. We gain pick 8 and hope we beat pick 8 next year by jumping up 7 places (i.e become 10th) just to draw even, THEN throw in a second rounder ? then a third rounder?

 

Absolutely ridiculous trading. please tell me this is not true,  3 picks for 1. There has to be a v good 2nd rounder pick coming back

It looks absolutely insane. I thought the AFL could block trades that were so lopsided with points value. If we win the flag north is still 400+ pts ahead. Completely [censored]. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

I'd say three will end up with GWS for six and, at the very least, a second round pick which would then allow us to select the minimum of three players at this year's draft 

[John Demonic 5,797]

27 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Why would North do that in a compromised draft and when we could easily finish in the top 8? 

We had to sweeten the deal which is where our second round pick came in (our third round pick is inconsequential to me as we wouldn’t have had enough room on our list to use it come draft day with 3,8 and a second round pick). 

Fair enough, just thought a pick that can acquire an Ed Langdon quality player is a little bit too sweet to throw into a deal.

Edited October 15, 2019 by John Demonic

[Mickey 4,684]

6 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I'd say three will end up with GWS for six and, at the very least, a second round pick which would then allow us to select the minimum of three players at this year's draft 

I'm kind if hoping it doesn't. As good as pick 6 is, it means 3 top players (plus Green) are unavailable. It makes GWS stronger and potentially means we miss who we really want with 3.

[Demonstone 22,558]

25 minutes ago, TheoX said:

If we win the flag north is still 400+ pts ahead.

If we win the flag, nobody here will give an obese rodent's fundament how many points ahead North might be.

[markc 975]

4 minutes ago, demonstone said:

If we win the flag, nobody here will give an obese rodent's fundament how many points ahead North might be.

with father and son and all other picks taken and we win the flag our first pick could very well be 28-30 

and we would have had a player on our list for a year already 

[Bay Riffin 1,474]

7 minutes ago, demonstone said:

If we win the flag, nobody here will give an obese rodent's fundament how many points ahead North might be.

It does show how ridiculous this trade is. Even if north fail to choose anyone good and we do it’s still will not make sense to me. This first ronuder cost us a first and second rounder, which buys you an A grader. Just stupid. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

54 minutes ago, Good Lord George said:

I'm kind if hoping it doesn't. As good as pick 6 is, it means 3 top players (plus Green) are unavailable. It makes GWS stronger and potentially means we miss who we really want with 3.

We (in the bleaches) don't know who JT really wants though GL.  Our first pick preference might be Stephens?

Pick 6 (i hope) will still get that part done and a 2nd rounder gives us our 3rd pick in the PSD (assuming it's a must have coming in to it).

Edited October 15, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

 

16 minutes ago, demonstone said:

If we win the flag, nobody here will give an obese rodent's fundament how many points ahead North might be.

Edited October 15, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[ArtificialWisdom 4,045]

17 minutes ago, demonstone said:

If we win the flag, nobody here will give an obese rodent's fundament how many points ahead North might be.

Clearly it's the only thing stoping us from going back to back 

[Wunders 397]

It's okay, if we finish last we get a priority pick right? Gold coast made a few shocking trades and traded away picks like this and got rewarded, so i'd be looking forward to getting pick 1 too

[olisik 4,060]

10 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

It does show how ridiculous this trade is. Even if north fail to choose anyone good and we do it’s still will not make sense to me. This first ronuder cost us a first and second rounder, which buys you an A grader. Just stupid. 

Goodwin going all in on his job. 2020 picks are useless to him  if he can’t get some wins on the board in 2017.

[DeeSpencer 25,713]

46 minutes ago, TheoX said:

It looks absolutely insane. I thought the AFL could block trades that were so lopsided with points value. If we win the flag north is still 400+ pts ahead. Completely [censored]. 

I'm far from a fan of the trade but back in the real world if we play finals next year and hand over a pick outside the top 10 then it's about even.

The fatal flaw with the points system is that you can't add points from completely different rounds of the draft together. They are practically a different currency.

A top 10 pick is a fully built house. A 2nd round pick is a block of land. A 3rd round pick is a stack of timber. 

[Demonstone 22,558]

10 minutes ago, olisik said:

2020 picks are useless to him  if he can’t get some wins on the board in 2017.

Don't know that any coach is good enough to conjure up wins from two years ago.  Your trolling is slipping, oilslick.

Edited October 15, 2019 by demonstone
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[Mickey 4,684]

10 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

We (in the bleaches) don't know who JT really wants though GL.  Our first pick preference might be Stephens?

Pick 6 (i hope) will still get that part done and a 3nd rounder gives us our 3rd pick in the PSD (assuming it's a must have coming in to it).

This is true. It'll be interesting to see what happens between now and the draft 

[spirit of norm smith 16,462]

47 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I'd say three will end up with GWS for six and, at the very least, a second round pick which would then allow us to select the minimum of three players at this year's draft 

I think it’s pick 3 and Dees 2nd round 2020 pick (Hawks 2020 2nd round pick)  for 

pick 6 and Giants 1st round 2020 pick