On 03/10/2019 at 03:03, hemingway said:

Agree on all points. 

I spoke to Frosty at the GF and he seemed very genuine is his comments that he wanted to stay with the Demons. Yes, I know, he was speaking to a stranger and that is what you would expect him to say. However, he seemed very genuine.

If the choice was between May, Oscar and Frosty, I would pick Frost. 

May comes for the money, turns up overweight and quickly runs into injury problems. He bawls out Frosty in a  match, a terrible look, something best left to a private space.  Not leadership, simply hot tempered and belittling. 

The most improved bloke in the second half of the season is not wanted over three aging injury prone players or a bloke who has shown no improvement since his first game. 

My other concern is the way the club has managed the Frost discussion. Lever comes out several weeks ago and comments on the defenders but does not speak of Frost. Poor form. The club then appears to be mute on Frosty's future. Nothing appears to be have been said to Frosty. He is kept in the dark.

For God's sake, as a matter of good people management and decency, the coach could at least speak to Frosty and tell him that he does not fit into his plans for 2020 and that he will not be offered a contract etc. Or if he is offered a contract that it will be a low offer

A bit like Watts, the club does not appear to have talked to the player. If this is true, its poor player management. At least have the honesty and decency to be upfront with the player. 

It may be a dog eat dog market, but the coach and the club should have some guts and show some decency and respect to the player.

It sends a bad message to other players and is not the way to foster team morale. 

Is this the way Richmond would have acted ?  

As per Max Gawn's comments, perhaps only some of the players are brothers. 

 

He'll probably be a better player at a club with a better culture and a better coach.

  On 03/10/2019 at 03:27, Brownie said:

He'll probably be a better player at a club with a better culture and a better coach.

Absolute myth.  Hawks have taken plenty on who have been busts over the years.  They might have a great culture and a ripping coach, but sometimes you just can't polish a turd no matter what the climate.

*I'm not likening Frost to a turd, but you catch my drift.

  On 02/10/2019 at 22:17, spirit of norm smith said:

What a troll. 

Oscar mcd player on Mckernan.  Check the tape. 

Frost was moved onto Kennedy after Omcd had been beaten in Perth. Your memory is poor.  

You might want to question Oscar mcd and see who he has ever beaten.  

Btw.  You campaigning to get Harley Bennell. What a joke.  

You and Dazzle really love each other. It's like a primary school crush. You just tease each other a lot.

Edited October 3, 20195 yr by A F

  On 02/10/2019 at 06:20, Fifty-5 said:

Frawley get canned here and he has been overall ordinary at Hawthorn. But he was instrumental in their 2015 flag when the moved him back after playing him forward in the first week.  He kept Walker/Jenkins, Pavlich and Kennedy quiet in successive weeks.

The only player we haved missed since being traded has been Jeremy Howe.

  On 03/10/2019 at 03:13, demoniac said:

You'd pick Frost over May and Lever? Can you get a list management job at another AFL club so the Dees can trade with you!

May and Lever are much better footballers than Frost.

May did turn up overweight but from day 1 of preseason worked hard on the track and adopted a better eating plan to strip the weight off. For mine his weight issue should have been picked up at time of trade so the changes made from day 1 of preseason started in October. A more gradual remediation may have also meant he avoided the groin and hammy injuries.  May will start preseason in good nick which should set him up for a good season.  

You don't know how May will turnup like nobody knew he would turn up fat last year

I cannot believe this club puts up with crap like this.

I will never believe May is committed as a result

  On 03/10/2019 at 03:18, Sir Why You Little said:

That is exactly the puzzle I cannot work out. 

I would have moved Hibberd on before Frost

Hibberd in contract and we'd have to attach a pick to get another club to take on final year of contract.

Frost out of contract.

  On 03/10/2019 at 03:37, Kent said:

You don't know how May will turnup like nobody knew he would turn up fat last year

I cannot believe this club puts up with crap like this.

I will never believe May is committed as a result

Never is a very long time.

  On 03/10/2019 at 03:46, demoniac said:

Hibberd in contract and we'd have to attach a pick to get another club to take on final year of contract.

Frost out of contract.

So we lose out. Hibberd looked done at years end to me

once again Whorethorn picks the eyes out of our list 

It is so tiresome being a mere feeder Club

  On 02/10/2019 at 22:27, Older demon said:

From the HS this morning

HAWTHORN’S luring of Melbourne full back Sam Frost on a multi-year deal came after the Demons had declined to offer him a deal.

Melbourne believes Oscar McDonald can fill the third defensive tall option alongside Steven May and Jake Lever, even though Frost was ninth in the Demons best-and-fairest this year.

AS stated earlier I am a Frost fan but it appears there was NO offer to Frost and even scarier is their blind faith in Oscar. I fear this is a mistake.

It'd be a mistake to keep him.
I think we need to hold our list to a higher standard.
You talk about accepting mediocrity; he is emblematic of that.

(not you you, just general you).

  On 02/10/2019 at 22:32, Ethan Tremblay said:

On SEN last week Frost said he was waiting to hear from Melbourne on a ‘fresh deal’. He’d been offered one earlier in the season but rejected it. 

Tickets-Frost: “Based on my age (26) and the year I’ve had, I imagine there would have been a few phone calls but I don’t know how serious a lot of those phone calls are or aren’t so I’ll just leave that to (manager) Anthony (McConville).” 

Not true to my knowledge.

  On 03/10/2019 at 01:51, Demons11 said:

It’s money he is after

Not exactly.

  On 03/10/2019 at 01:42, Lord Travis said:

He’ll go to the Hawks for their third rounder (pick 47ish). We lose the trade IMO, but that’s the game.

Thanks for the service and exciting moment Frosty!

 

which one?

  On 03/10/2019 at 03:13, demoniac said:

You'd pick Frost over May and Lever? Can you get a list management job at another AFL club so the Dees can trade with you!

May and Lever are much better footballers than Frost.

May did turn up overweight but from day 1 of preseason worked hard on the track and adopted a better eating plan to strip the weight off. For mine his weight issue should have been picked up at time of trade so the changes made from day 1 of preseason started in October. A more gradual remediation may have also meant he avoided the groin and hammy injuries.  May will start preseason in good nick which should set him up for a good season.  

I did not include Lever only referenced May and Oscar. The latter for obvious reasons, the former, mainly due to history of injuries. Also not impressed with his body language on the field but entirely subjective of course. 

We will know the answer this time next year if not before. I think Lever has attitude and leadership written all over him, just needs to remain injury free.  We had two players on very high coin earning their money in the gym. 

Last season, we played poorly due to injury and the inability for a core group of players to string games together. If the same thing happens in 2020 we will be further up the creek without Frost. 

  On 03/10/2019 at 03:30, Wiseblood said:

Absolute myth.  Hawks have taken plenty on who have been busts over the years.  They might have a great culture and a ripping coach, but sometimes you just can't polish a turd no matter what the climate.

*I'm not likening Frost to a turd, but you catch my drift.

Better Wise without catching the drift.  

Jeepers the clubs thinks Oscar can fill the 3rd tall defenders role???? That genuinely worries me that they can possibly think that. Don't rate Frost at all so not fussed with his departure...however Oscar is a frighteningly poor league footballer. I reckon we could find a number of better tall defenders in suburban leagues.

  On 03/10/2019 at 03:46, demoniac said:

Hibberd in contract and we'd have to attach a pick to get another club to take on final year of contract.

Frost out of contract.

Appreciate that Hibberd is still contracted, doesn’t mean we have to play him though. But we will....need some list rotation to keep things fresh.

I think Frost wants to go to a team where is guaranteed first team football.  We do not rate him as a guaranteed starter after 4 years at the club - he has struggled to hold down a spot in a mostly average team.

Hawks need key defenders and will give him more money and a longer contract you would imagine so it makes sense for him to move. We need a consistent defence that can play a system and not turn the ball over. With Lever, May, Jetta, Hore and Salem we have a good core group. we just need to add some youth to the HF line.

I personally have no problem with him leaving. The media will pump up the hawks and the trade like they did with us last year - saying we are favourites for the flag. a crazy notion when we just made the finals.

  On 02/10/2019 at 23:26, spirit of norm smith said:

 

Btw watch round 23 v Kangas. Frost shutdown Ben Brown.  He’d kicked 10 the prior week.  It’s madness to let Frost walk.  

Brown kicked 2 goals 3 behinds from 17 disp as a key forward. Inaccurate, yes. But hardly "shut down". 

In a 5 point margin game, I'd say 2g 3b proved to be very handy

Just my view.

 

  On 03/10/2019 at 04:01, Mach5 said:

It'd be a mistake to keep him.
I think we need to hold our list to a higher standard.
You talk about accepting mediocrity; he is emblematic of that.

(not you you, just general you).

if they take Oscar they can have Frost. NFI if they rate Oscar over Frost.

43 pages.

It’s fair to say there aren’t too many feathers left to pluck off this chicken. 

 

 

 

 

 

  On 03/10/2019 at 04:30, rufus said:

Jeepers the clubs thinks Oscar can fill the 3rd tall defenders role???? That genuinely worries me that they can possibly think that. Don't rate Frost at all so not fussed with his departure...however Oscar is a frighteningly poor league footballer. I reckon we could find a number of better tall defenders in suburban leagues.

I honestly believe this as well. he is so far off the pace at times its mind boggling he gets a game.

  On 03/10/2019 at 06:31, Mel Bourne said:

It’s fair to say there aren’t too many feathers left to pluck off this chicken. 

Posters still seem to be haggling over the parson's nose, however.

Leading in to the start of last season was the “predicted best 22 thread”. 3/4 of posters had all of May, Lever and Oscar in their back 6. Then Frost came in and held his spot all year, there were even games when all four were available and Oscar didn’t play. Now according to some we only need a fit May and Lever as tall defenders. Also surprising is the lack of the conversation about the players around Frost this year, for if they were more up to the task we might not even be talking about this. 

  On 03/10/2019 at 03:36, Win4theAges said:

The only player we haved missed since being traded has been Jeremy Howe.

The now Collingwood version not the soft turnover merchant version we had in his last two years with us.

  On 03/10/2019 at 07:19, Bates Mate said:

The now Collingwood version not the soft turnover merchant version we had in his last two years with us.

There’s a lot in that statement though, isn’t there. Not suggesting it’s incorrect. But it’s one of many examples that illustrates that the fulfilment of a player’s potential is not down to the player alone, but the club as well. Collingwood managed what Melbourne couldn’t.