Lets hope he can overcome the injury. 

Shame that rubbish background music drowned out what was being said.

I rate him very highly as a player and was wrapped when he came to the club as he possess the polish and outside-skill that we've been missing. 

It's very concerning to see the effect that some fairly innocuous knocks have had on him.   

7 minutes ago, demonstone said:

Shame that rubbish background music drowned out what was being said.

Probably a small taste of what KK feels like with concussion symtpoms.

What we're seeing is the tide being drawn out before the tsunami. Warning signs have been there for some years. Look at the NFL for the frightening effects of what can happen. Good luck to the kid. Better to retire than risk your mind, and you and your family's wellbeing.

Hope he's going to be ok? 

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Unlikely to be a popular opinion but I'm very skeptical on these concussions. Innocuous head knocks suddenly leading to symptoms months later in otherwise healthy individuals? Obviously multiple concussions as well as sub-concussive hits to the head like boxers and NFL players take I can understand, but one head knock and all of a sudden you're done for months, the body has to be more resilient than that. 

 I think it's a poorly understood mental health issue as much as an neurological one. You start to lose confidence and belief and all of a sudden your brain is creating symptoms to avoid having to go back out there. I'm not saying it's all made up, I just think the treatment has to be holistic.

One thing I'd say for sure with Kade is we better not pick him for the senior side until he's fit, strong, relishing the contests and showing he's absolutely ready and safe to play AFL footy again. Even if he flies through preseason he might do well to spend a month at Casey.

3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Unlikely to be a popular opinion but I'm very skeptical on these concussions. Innocuous head knocks suddenly leading to symptoms months later in otherwise healthy individuals? Obviously multiple concussions as well as sub-concussive hits to the head like boxers and NFL players take I can understand, but one head knock and all of a sudden you're done for months, the body has to be more resilient than that. 

 I think it's a poorly understood mental health issue as much as an neurological one. You start to lose confidence and belief and all of a sudden your brain is creating symptoms to avoid having to go back out there. I'm not saying it's all made up, I just think the treatment has to be holistic.

One thing I'd say for sure with Kade is we better not pick him for the senior side until he's fit, strong, relishing the contests and showing he's absolutely ready and safe to play AFL footy again. Even if he flies through preseason he might do well to spend a month at Casey.

Are you suggesting he’s only had one head knock which is causing him to miss this amount of time?

10 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Unlikely to be a popular opinion but I'm very skeptical on these concussions. Innocuous head knocks suddenly leading to symptoms months later in otherwise healthy individuals? Obviously multiple concussions as well as sub-concussive hits to the head like boxers and NFL players take I can understand, but one head knock and all of a sudden you're done for months, the body has to be more resilient than that. 

 I think it's a poorly understood mental health issue as much as an neurological one. You start to lose confidence and belief and all of a sudden your brain is creating symptoms to avoid having to go back out there. I'm not saying it's all made up, I just think the treatment has to be holistic.

One thing I'd say for sure with Kade is we better not pick him for the senior side until he's fit, strong, relishing the contests and showing he's absolutely ready and safe to play AFL footy again. Even if he flies through preseason he might do well to spend a month at Casey.

When you consider that a fall on a hard surface can actually kill you, a significant blow to the head could obviously do serious damage which reveals itself over time. Sure, the body can be resilient, but it can also be quite fragile. Plus in KK’s case, it wasn’t just one hit. 

 

49 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Unlikely to be a popular opinion but I'm very skeptical on these concussions. Innocuous head knocks suddenly leading to symptoms months later in otherwise healthy individuals? Obviously multiple concussions as well as sub-concussive hits to the head like boxers and NFL players take I can understand, but one head knock and all of a sudden you're done for months, the body has to be more resilient than that. 

 I think it's a poorly understood mental health issue as much as an neurological one. You start to lose confidence and belief and all of a sudden your brain is creating symptoms to avoid having to go back out there. I'm not saying it's all made up, I just think the treatment has to be holistic.

One thing I'd say for sure with Kade is we better not pick him for the senior side until he's fit, strong, relishing the contests and showing he's absolutely ready and safe to play AFL footy again. Even if he flies through preseason he might do well to spend a month at Casey.

It might be an unpopular opinion mate because you've got no idea of the details in his case. 

Not only, I presume, are you not a doctor, but you also, I presume, have no inside knowledge of Kade's case. You're really not qualified to make an assessment on the concussions.

I read your post as 'you've got to be a bit tougher', but I don't want to put words in your mouth. It does seem like this is your insinuation though.

24 minutes ago, Megatron said:

Are you suggesting he’s only had one head knock which is causing him to miss this amount of time?

Not one, but he's hardly copped a bunch of significant blows that I've seen. I can't remember any kind of knock in the AFL game he played in and then there wasn't a significant blow in the VFL game. But even guys like Brayshaw and McCartin where all the knocks have been documented there's increasingly innocuous hits causing damage, the kind of head knocks that other players bounce straight up from. The easy answer is to put it down to bad luck or a physical predisposition. I'm not convinced of that.

I'm not having a go at him, I'm just saying I think there's even more to consider than the physical damage. I just feel like there has to be to result in the symptoms. 

Edited September 9, 20196 yr by DeeSpencer

1 minute ago, A F said:

It might be an unpopular opinion mate because you've got no idea of the details in his case. 

Not only, I presume, are you not a doctor, but you also, I presume, have no inside knowledge of Kade's case. You're really not qualified to make an assessment on the concussions.

I read your post as 'you've got to be a bit tougher', but I don't want to put words in your mouth. It does seem like this is your insinuation though.

Nothing about toughness like it's some kind of macho just go out and play through it, more about ways to make him resilient and I don't mean that with any negative connotations. It might be alternative therapies and mindfulness, it might be getting him to push his body to the limit in some other physical way that doesn't risk his head like climbing a mountain, giving him that feeling that he is strong. It might be taking a whole bunch of drugs to clear the mind, nothing like a good LSD trip! And it certainly involves a great deal of training so his confident to attack the ball in smart ways.

Maybe he's just been unlucky and/or is part of a certain group of the population who concussions result in greater symptoms, but I'm off the belief that most of us are pretty similar physically. I'd be looking in to what causes these symptoms and what can be done to get ahead of them. You can't play footy without the risk of head knocks. Brayshaw's had a bunch of hits this year and last that I'm convinced would've seen him sat out for a long time when he was going through his struggles, what changed so that those no longer impact him the same way?

41 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Nothing about toughness like it's some kind of macho just go out and play through it, more about ways to make him resilient and I don't mean that with any negative connotations. It might be alternative therapies and mindfulness, it might be getting him to push his body to the limit in some other physical way that doesn't risk his head like climbing a mountain, giving him that feeling that he is strong. It might be taking a whole bunch of drugs to clear the mind, nothing like a good LSD trip! And it certainly involves a great deal of training so his confident to attack the ball in smart ways.

Maybe he's just been unlucky and/or is part of a certain group of the population who concussions result in greater symptoms, but I'm off the belief that most of us are pretty similar physically. I'd be looking in to what causes these symptoms and what can be done to get ahead of them. You can't play footy without the risk of head knocks. Brayshaw's had a bunch of hits this year and last that I'm convinced would've seen him sat out for a long time when he was going through his struggles, what changed so that those no longer impact him the same way?

Fair enough. I just don't think we know all the details, so couldn't really fully comment with authority. 

37 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Unlikely to be a popular opinion but I'm very skeptical on these concussions. Innocuous head knocks suddenly leading to symptoms months later in otherwise healthy individuals? Obviously multiple concussions as well as sub-concussive hits to the head like boxers and NFL players take I can understand, but one head knock and all of a sudden you're done for months, the body has to be more resilient than that. 

 I think it's a poorly understood mental health issue as much as an neurological one. You start to lose confidence and belief and all of a sudden your brain is creating symptoms to avoid having to go back out there. I'm not saying it's all made up, I just think the treatment has to be holistic.

One thing I'd say for sure with Kade is we better not pick him for the senior side until he's fit, strong, relishing the contests and showing he's absolutely ready and safe to play AFL footy again. Even if he flies through preseason he might do well to spend a month at Casey.

One solid hit is all it takes. Have a mate playing ammo's with us, (mid 25yrs old, fit), had a huge collision and head knock.  Even slight bumping/positioning now and he get headaches.  Can't play footy at all anymore, that was from one hit.  Whether genetics have a role it I have no idea, 

Nup needs to RETIRE!

Not worth the risk of sustaining Life Long injuries

Give it away Son!!

PF

I thought it was ‘neck’ related and they (the medicos) had it sorted...

I hope he comes right and we have a valuable player but to be frank, we got sold bull [censored]. 

5 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Not one, but he's hardly copped a bunch of significant blows that I've seen. I can't remember any kind of knock in the AFL game he played in and then there wasn't a significant blow in the VFL game. But even guys like Brayshaw and McCartin where all the knocks have been documented there's increasingly innocuous hits causing damage, the kind of head knocks that other players bounce straight up from. The easy answer is to put it down to bad luck or a physical predisposition. I'm not convinced of that.

I'm not having a go at him, I'm just saying I think there's even more to consider than the physical damage. I just feel like there has to be to result in the symptoms. 

It's a cumulative effect

8 hours ago, picket fence said:

Nup needs to RETIRE!

Not worth the risk of sustaining Life Long injuries

Give it away Son!!

PF

Yes he does. I can understand for a young man how hard it can be to give up on the game. Give up on an elite talent you possess and all the dreams that go with that. But I do hope there’s some same heads in the club helping him make that choice. Game over as far as I can see and even then he well might be battling. 

So far the club has gone with two 'feel good' puff pieces to one departure (Jennings & Rawlings).

Following this KK coverage we have now had two feel good puff pieces since Rawlings went.  Merely coincidence? ?

 

I am in two minds with KK. On one hand I want him out there playing good footy again. On the other I do not like that he could do further harm to himself and having a player on the list one collision away from being finished. I would consider coming to some sort of deal with him, acknowledging the recruitment error and moving on.

Having been involved in boxing for decades, I can tell you it doesn't take a heavy blow to cause a concussion.

Rumour going around he may announce his retirement soon.

 

3 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Rumour going around he may announce his retirement soon.

 

Would not surprise me at all.

12 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Would not surprise me at all.

Same, sadly.