On 02/09/2019 at 10:26, Wiseblood said:

How soon before he starts a trade Max Gawn thread? 

Someone has mentioned it 'Wise'...

Ffs mods kills this fu&($!)n crap threads now 

  On 02/09/2019 at 11:43, spirit of norm smith said:

Ffs mods kills this fu&($!)n crap threads now 

This thread has more merit then the Brayshaw thread.

Brayshaw has bigger upside, kicks goals and has more potential in other positions. But let’s not let the facts get in the way.

  On 02/09/2019 at 11:56, olisik said:

Brayshaw has bigger upside, kicks goals and has more potential in other positions. But let’s not let the facts get in the way.

I agree with you on this Oli, but seriously doubt we'd get enough for him on the trade table.

Viney is a very limited footballer, compounded by his tendency to get injured. Brayshaw is in a form slump, whose best far surpasses Jack's.

If it was up to me Viney would be stripped of captaincy straight away and I'd be looking at potential options.

I will give him the benefit of doubt that he hasn't done a full pre season in 4 years. This is his chance this summer. He must change his game style and get rid of the rugby union [censored] that he tries to pull off every game. 

I am hoping he gets that burst back into his game that made him a great player back in 2016.

As my starting mid, I am still having Oliver, Petracca and Brayshaw/Harmes as my go to.

Edited September 2, 20195 yr by dazzledavey36

What do we with his old man then? The Brexit Irish Backstop for Northern Ireland would be easier to sort out.

  On 02/09/2019 at 12:10, dazzledavey36 said:

If it was up to me Viney would be stripped of captaincy straight away and I'd be looking at potential options.

I will give him the benefit of doubt that he hasn't done a full pre season in 4 years. This is his chance this summer. He must change his game style and get rid of the rugby union [censored] that he tries to pull off every game. 

I am hoping he gets that burst back into his game that made him a great player back in 2016.

As my starting mid, I am still having Oliver, Petracca and Brayshaw/Harmes as my go to.

Spot on.

We sacked James McDonald and it took years to recover any sense of leadership and stability.  Sure let the asylum decide to commit another crazy act.  

  On 02/09/2019 at 12:10, dazzledavey36 said:

If it was up to me Viney would be stripped of captaincy straight away and I'd be looking at potential options.

I will give him the benefit of doubt that he hasn't done a full pre season in 4 years. This is his chance this summer. He must change his game style and get rid of the rugby union [censored] that he tries to pull off every game. 

I am hoping he gets that burst back into his game that made him a great player back in 2016.

As my starting mid, I am still having Oliver, Petracca and Brayshaw/Harmes as my go to.

Agree with this except benefit of the doubt  point. Personally I feel wholesale changes are required and to get talent you need to give up talent. Usually best place to give up talent is where you can afford to. 

Agree on starting mids. Would also like to see Salem given a run through the inside.

Edited September 2, 20195 yr by olisik

  On 02/09/2019 at 10:05, olisik said:

We should look into this for a few reasons

1. Our plethora of inside midfielders which are pushing others out (eg Tyson, Brayshaw). This will continue to happen

2. List balance, we need more outside midfielders and currency to bring them in. Viney will help us get there

3. Vineys inability to play on other positions, he is 1 inside mid recruit away from being pushed out and made redundant like Ollie Wines has

4. He is a free agent next year, we should try get value for him while we can

5. Rumours circulating of him being favourited by Goodwin and possibly causing a rift

6. His ability to stay on the park. We struggle to even get half a season out of him.

7. Jones re-signing- surely we only have enough room for one player bombing inside 50

8. Doesn’t defend

If there ever was a time to trade him it is now, and if we draft an Anderson or Rowell, someone will need to make room.

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  On 02/09/2019 at 12:11, america de cali said:

What do we with his old man then? The Brexit Irish Backstop for Northern Ireland would be easier to sort out.

Hi old man does nothing as far as I can see. Spends a lot of time leaning on the fence at the paddock.

What is his real job?

There is one stat that stands out to me re: Jack and his importance to our side.

In the three finals last year, he averaged:

23 disposals, 6 tackles, 8 clearances, 16 contested possessions and 4 inside fifties a game.

When the pressure was on, he rose to the occasion, and that was off the back of an injury interrupted year.

He didn't set the world alight this year, but then who did?  Not many to be honest.

I want blokes in my side that can step up on the big stage, and Jack has shown that he is more than capable of doing that as a leader of our club.

  On 02/09/2019 at 22:09, Wiseblood said:

There is one stat that stands out to me re: Jack and his importance to our side.

In the three finals last year, he averaged:

23 disposals, 6 tackles, 8 clearances, 16 contested possessions and 4 inside fifties a game.

When the pressure was on, he rose to the occasion, and that was off the back of an injury interrupted year.

He didn't set the world alight this year, but then who did?  Not many to be honest.

I want blokes in my side that can step up on the big stage, and Jack has shown that he is more than capable of doing that as a leader of our club.

He is built for finals!!!

Trading your Captain is absolutely stupid and the troll who set this thread up is the only bloke I want traded.

He’s not just a battering ram!

  On 02/09/2019 at 22:23, Dee Zephyr said:

He’s not just a battering ram!

What a magical time that was. 

Feels like it was years ago now. 

Not a chance unless it was a clincher to seal a deal for a marquee must get 'missing ingredient' star player and possibly the difference between making a GF or not.  Or maybe a few!  eg;  Jeremy Cameron or Tim Kelly.

  On 02/09/2019 at 10:05, olisik said:

We should look into this for a few reasons

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6. His ability to stay on the park. We struggle to even get half a season out of him.

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If there ever was a time to trade him it is now, and if we draft an Anderson or Rowell, someone will need to make room.

 

  On 02/09/2019 at 11:56, olisik said:

This thread has more merit then the Brayshaw thread.

Brayshaw has bigger upside, kicks goals and has more potential in other positions. But let’s not let the facts get in the way.

Oli, I think you should take your own advice. In 2019, Viney played 21 out of 22 games.

There are rumours that his good mate Ollie Wines could be traded for the right offer.  I think it is highly unlikely but it wouldn't be the first time a club traded their captain.

He is our least flexible midfielder so needs more strings to his bow as it limits Goodwin's game tactic options.  So i wouldn't mind seeing him spend large chunks of a game forward.  This gives others the opportunity to play midfield who are equal to or better than him.

Viney needs a top notch preseason to regain his form and if he doesn't regain it, that is the time to discuss what the options are.

I'm in the camp that he relinquish the co-cap to focus on his form and to broaden his game. 

Viney will be fine, in fact all of our inside mids will be fine, when they’ve got legitimate options on the outside to shuffle the pill out to. Anyone would look hesitant and try to do too much if they looked up and saw ANB, JKH and Stretch etc as primary give off options.

Watch the intensity and congestion of this weekend’s finals and then come on here and say we should trade Viney. Sheer lunacy.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  On 02/09/2019 at 22:12, Demons11 said:

He is built for finals!!!

Trading your Captain is absolutely stupid and the troll who set this thread up is the only bloke I want traded.

Be careful they like to complain 

Pathetic troll, very boring life

  On 02/09/2019 at 23:21, GetJonnoPatton said:

Viney will be fine, in fact all of our inside mids will be fine, when they’ve got legitimate options on the outside to shuffle the pill out to. Anyone would look hesitant and try to do too much if they looked up and saw ANB, JKH and Stretch etc as primary give off options.

Watch the intensity and congestion of this weekend’s finals and then come on here and say we should trade Viney. Sheer lunacy.

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Read the latest article on the MFC website - he said he hasn't done a preseason for 3 years.  not that they were interrupted, that he didnt really have one any year.

what happened 3 years ago you ask?  he won the BnF

he is a champ

  On 03/09/2019 at 05:45, Pennant St Dee said:

Be careful they like to complain 

Pathetic troll, very boring life

Lol every time I look your randomly posting complaining about me and not discussing footy or the Dees. Very boring life indeed. Your Obsessed about me mate.

Im sure most people would find discussions about trading Viney more interesting then discussing me

Edited September 3, 20195 yr by olisik

  On 02/09/2019 at 12:10, dazzledavey36 said:

If it was up to me Viney would be stripped of captaincy straight away and I'd be looking at potential options.

I will give him the benefit of doubt that he hasn't done a full pre season in 4 years. This is his chance this summer. He must change his game style and get rid of the rugby union [censored] that he tries to pull off every game. 

I am hoping he gets that burst back into his game that made him a great player back in 2016.

As my starting mid, I am still having Oliver, Petracca and Brayshaw/Harmes as my go to.

Yep and if he cracks the sheeeits then trade out to potential suitors, I don't care at what pick either..

Limited player with limited impact .. almost a throwback to the sixties and seventies when getting the ball and roosting it were the rage.