I'm so annoyed at Mahoney.

How frustrating that he sorted another signature with the minimum of fuss and avoided a messy back and forth that might have become a distraction if left unresolved. 

I'm pretty annoyed at the club in general actually. I mean why isn't it leaking, with juicy tidbits seeping out to fan the fire and fill up the angst bucket. I mean don't they know they are supposed to be in crisis. I read it on DL so it must be true.

And don't they know these days the onus is no longer on those spreading rumours to provide some evidence for their fanciful tales. It is on the club to provide evidence the rumours are not true. Where there's smoke. Hold on there's none. Give us some smoke dees. 

Why can't they take a leaf out of clubs like the Crows and Freo. Those clubs know how to have a crisis. External reviews. No reviews. Sack their coach (the one they one they got to replace their previously sacked coach).  Sack the CEO. Pay outs. Leaks. Crazy short men. Media in a tizzy. Sources close to the club. 

Get your act together Dees

One of the great MFC clubmen who needs to be given a role or two and just left to play them in 2020.  Forward for mine where he has less chance of his usual clangers off HB and focuses on scoring the odd goal and pressuring inside 50.

With a full pre-season and some better off field management by Goody & Co, which imv was ordinary this year, he should bounce back from what was probably his lowest rated season since his very early entre' year or two.

Love the Jones boy and hopefully the boys get around him in the off season and the season proper and get this train back on the track.

I'm not sure who's running the media contingent down at the club but i would be recommending they don't say too much about pre-seasons,  how they are ready to get back into it blah blah blah.  Better off just confirming they stuffed up in 2019, the Club's got some serious work ahead of it both in the trade period and the off season (all aspects) and leave it at that.

The proof of the player's "hurt feelings" pudding and efforts to correct the horrors of 2019 in the off season will be in the response we get in the opening round and the next five or so in 2020.  Far too often this club talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk.

The only person i really want to hear from is Pert with a summary of the outcomes/actions following the internal review, trades/delistings etc and Big Maxy when he fronts the press after being appointed  'Sole Captain'.

10 minutes ago, Jones said:

Are people kidding he is not in the best 22 right now? He played every game this year, who takes his position? We have so many average players that I don't believe anyone can deservingly take his spot. 

The key to answer that question is first determining what Jones' position is. I think it's safe to say it's not the wing and we've got more than enough on ball options.

If it's half back then we don't have a lot of great options after Salem but we could use Harmes there as well as Hibberd or Hore as far better defenders.

If it's half forward then it's another list of hardly inspiring players but if we have 2 talls, Melksham, Fritsch and a crumber then it's out of Lockhart, Hunt (if not traded), C Wagner, Hannan, J Smith, ANB etc plus any recruits or kids who come on. 

It's not that these guys will be better over all footballers than Jones but they almost certainly will be quicker, better defensively (at either end of the ground) and more suited to the role.

Jones is going to have to be smarter and add value to the team with experience. A full preseason gives him a chance at fresh legs and training in a certain role. The concern is I'm only guessing whether I think forward or back makes more sense.

Brilliant!!! Jones has been an absolute warrior through some terrible periods and deserves to be rewarded in the twilight of his career. 

24 minutes ago, binman said:

I'm so annoyed at Mahoney.

How frustrating that he sorted another signature with the minimum of fuss and avoided a messy back and forth that might have become a distraction if left unresolved. 

I'm pretty annoyed at the club in general actually. I mean why isn't it leaking, with juicy tidbits seeping out to fan the fire and fill up the angst bucket. I mean don't they know they are supposed to be in crisis. I read it on DL so it must be true.

And don't they know these days the onus is no longer on those spreading rumours to provide some evidence for their fanciful tales. It is on the club to provide evidence the rumours are not true. Where there's smoke. Hold on there's none. Give us some smoke dees. 

Why can't they take a leaf out of clubs like the Crows and Freo. Those clubs know how to have a crisis. External reviews. No reviews. Sack their coach (the one they one they got to replace their previously sacked coach).  Sack the CEO. Pay outs. Leaks. Crazy short men. Media in a tizzy. Sources close to the club. 

Get your act together Dees

?????

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Love him. Found it hard to watch him this year but glad that he'll make the 300 club. (Fingers crossed).

One comment was of great interest to me - "Playing multiple roles all year and having a really injury interrupted prep before the season, I managed to get through the year."

I'm not sure about anyone else, but @Satyriconhome said that nobody had an injury interrupted pre-season so I don't know why Jones would choose to lie about something like that...

 

If you must point score then get what I said right

We had players in rehab I watched them train and come out of rehab fully fit and ready to go, most I spoke to told me they were fit and ready to go and had actually improved their aerobic capacity,  so I took that on face value as well as watching them train

I for one don't like players using a poor pre season as an excuse, they are professional footy players, they do extra to make up the shortfall

Jones has gone out of his way to say he got through the year, maybe like Lewis, he is using this statement to other players, who are maybe using the pre season as an excuse

Just marvee

THIS  is Melbourne 

Good on you Nathan Jones let's hope that we can get you to 300 games next year, you deserve the chance to get there not that it is guaranteed but Neita is a bit lonely at the 300 Club catch ups at MFC.....................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1 hour ago, Jones said:

Are people kidding he is not in the best 22 right now? He played every game this year, who takes his position? We have so many average players that I don't believe anyone can deservingly take his spot. 

One could argue our best 22 this year was pretty poor in general Jones but statistically at least he was well within the best 22.

A poor year by Jones's standards though.

For all the Jones baggers . . . based on 2019 form, he gets a game in 2020 in front of:

1. ANB
2. Hunt
3. OMac
4. Hannan
5. Spargo
6. Garlett
7. Both Smiths
8. Both Wagners
9. JKH
10. Stretch
11. KK
12. Lockhart.

Yes, he's lost a yard, turns it over and lacks game awareness. But it's not like we have Matthews, Buckenara and the Rat in the ressies waiting for a game. 

Typical, not surprised at all, Hawthorn move on Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell, Roughead, and we cling to the turnover merchant, it will finish badly of course, it always does at the MFC.

3 minutes ago, bluey said:

Typical, not surprised at all, Hawthorn move on Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell, Roughead, and we cling to the turnover merchant, it will finish badly of course, it always does at the MFC.

Self Portrait I take it.

Be very helpful to boys at Casey next year and may fill in if we have a few injuries during the year.

8 minutes ago, bluey said:

Typical, not surprised at all, Hawthorn move on Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell, Roughead, and we cling to the turnover merchant, it will finish badly of course, it always does at the MFC.

Nathan Jones is 31.

Hodge is 35.

Mitchell was 34 when he left Hawks.

Roughead is 32.

Lewis is 33.

Hawks only wanted to move on one of Lewis and Mitchell as they went 1 and 2 in their BnF the year they left.  It was to relieve the salary cap.  Both could have easily played on and made the Hawks best 22.

Roughead was cooked 12 months ago.  Completely cooked.  Hawthorn kept him on the list for leadership and because of what he means to the club and supporters.

Hodge has clearly been a huge part of Brisbane’s success.  Who would you rather have young players look up to- Luke Hodge or Ben ‘pinchy’ Stratton.

Hawthorn erred in cutting all 3 at the same time; their list is running on fumes and their half-rebuild is being papered over by Clarkson’s nous.  

Jones is younger than all of them and is playing better football.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, binman said:

I'm so annoyed at Mahoney.

How frustrating that he sorted another signature with the minimum of fuss and avoided a messy back and forth that might have become a distraction if left unresolved. 

I'm pretty annoyed at the club in general actually. I mean why isn't it leaking, with juicy tidbits seeping out to fan the fire and fill up the angst bucket. I mean don't they know they are supposed to be in crisis. I read it on DL so it must be true.

And don't they know these days the onus is no longer on those spreading rumours to provide some evidence for their fanciful tales. It is on the club to provide evidence the rumours are not true. Where there's smoke. Hold on there's none. Give us some smoke dees. 

Why can't they take a leaf out of clubs like the Crows and Freo. Those clubs know how to have a crisis. External reviews. No reviews. Sack their coach (the one they one they got to replace their previously sacked coach).  Sack the CEO. Pay outs. Leaks. Crazy short men. Media in a tizzy. Sources close to the club. 

Get your act together Dees

I agree binman, why can't they be as ridiculous as half of Demonland at present.

11 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Nathan Jones is 31.

Hodge is 35.

Mitchell was 34 when he left Hawks.

Roughead is 32.

Lewis is 33.

Hawks only wanted to move on one of Lewis and Mitchell as they went 1 and 2 in their BnF the year they left.  It was to relieve the salary cap.  Both could have easily played on and made the Hawks best 22.

Roughead was cooked 12 months ago.  Completely cooked.  Hawthorn kept him on the list for leadership and because of what he means to the club and supporters.

Hodge has clearly been a huge part of Brisbane’s success.  Who would you rather have young players look up to- Luke Hodge or Ben ‘pinchy’ Stratton.

Hawthorn erred in cutting all 3 at the same time; their list is running on fumes and their half-rebuild is being papered over by Clarkson’s nous.  

Jones is younger than all of them and is playing better football.

 

 

 

So the Skip is holding the ball, all good , just follow team rules, kick it down the line, we are in front, one minute to go and kill the ball, Jones kicks to a contest where we are out numbered badly in the middle of the ground, and the game is over, and on that last kick Mahoney can’t get his ink on a contract quick enough, that’s leadership, that’s deflating.

Just now, bluey said:

So the Skip is holding the ball, all good , just follow team rules, kick it down the line, we are in front, one minute to go and kill the ball, Jones kicks to a contest where we are out numbered badly in the middle of the ground, and the game is over, and on that last kick Mahoney can’t get his ink on a contract quick enough, that’s leadership, that’s deflating.

No- it’s one error being viewed in isolation.

Cyril Rioli had Hawthorn’s last possession in the 2011 prelim.  Turnover.  Hawthorn lose by 3 points.  Rioli is a terrible player.

1 minute ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

No- it’s one error being viewed in isolation.

Cyril Rioli had Hawthorn’s last possession in the 2011 prelim.  Turnover.  Hawthorn lose by 3 points.  Rioli is a terrible player.

I guess that negates his four premierships and Norm Smith medal in 2015.

Call me a blind optimist but I think without the burden of leadership next year Jonesy will be back into some decent form. If the club really believes the time is now for us to challenge in finals and ultimately the premiership (which they have from recent trading etc.), then I completely agree with re-signing Jones. Will have to work his [censored] off for his spot like Lewis did, but I reckon there’s a spot for him somewhere in the forward line. Is a pretty decent kick at goal and wont be having to run as far in a midfielders role.

It’s been difficult watching him this year and I’ve knocked him pretty hard for his lack of leadership as well, but the man is a true champion and always says it like it is. Deserves to make all the success in the world and I’m happy that we’ve backed him in for that opportunity.

1 hour ago, bluey said:

Typical, not surprised at all, Hawthorn move on Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell, Roughead, and we cling to the turnover merchant, it will finish badly of course, it always does at the MFC.

And Hawks to win the 2019 premiership... oh wait.

Jones deserves another year so that he can find a position where he adds value. His best position was always on the ball as both an attacking and defensive player who could win the ball and deny the opposition easy use of the ball. The only thing that has changed is that he is no longer alone in this role and the midfield is becoming crowded.

Time for the coaches to find a new role for him. Traditionally slowing and aging onballers went to either the back pocket or the forward pocket. I believe that a role in the forward line will suit him best because he is tough in close, tackles hard and can snag an goal so will make defenders earn their positions.

Unless of course the coaches realise that his greatest efforts were at the centre  bounce, not running wide down the wing. Leave that for Brayshaw and Harmes. He is like Clarrie - he hunts the ball in close, not the player, which makes him so effective.

Any success in 2020 without Jones will be hollow. He has earned the right to enjoy success and should remain as co-captain so that his hands will be on any silverware. The other co-captain can do the actual leading.

On balance it's probably the right decision. Whether Jonesy is good enough to be in our starting 22 is debatable but it's a moot point if our best 22 can't get on the park each week. If he continues to stay healthy and in reasonable form then it's likely he'll have a part to play in our climb back to respectability next year. A 1 year contract that's heavily performance based (if this is fact) looks like a good outcome all things considered. 

1 hour ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Nathan Jones is 31.

Hodge 35

 

 

Hodge a much better player still.

Your point ?

We're  currently  an irrelevant  club pandering  to an 'ideal'

Somehow a bloke getting  3oo is more the goal than winning silverware. 

I dont begrudge  Jones. Good for him. 

Sums us up entirely. 

Let the rage begin 

4 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Both him & Viney had an interrupted pre-season only managing to put in about half the usual build up.

Reason for Edit:  just saw this off the MFC site from Viney (extract)....

..."This is probably the first time l'm not having post-season surgery, so l'll be looking to have a rest for two to three weeks and let the body recuperate," he said. You get to the end of the season and you're pretty banged up, so you do have too give it a little bit of time to recover, but once that period is done, I will be into training.

"I'm pretty motivated, after the season we had, to get into training," Viney said. "I haven't had a pre-season for three to four years now, so l'm just looking forward to getting my body into the best condition possible to get through a pre-season."

End.

P.S. That highlighted part is a worry.  Would have thought he'd be always motivated and super motivated after a seaaon like that.

That really is nitpicking Jack is not a Rhodes scholar nor should he have to carry a thesaurus to press conferences

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Hodge a much better player still.

Your point ?

We're  currently  an irrelevant  club pandering  to an 'ideal'

Somehow a bloke getting  3oo is more the goal than winning silverware. 

I dont begrudge  Jones. Good for him. 

Sums us up entirely. 

Let the rage begin 

My post was saying that Hawthorn made a mistake in cutting Hodge.

It was in response to a poster saying we should do what Hawthorn did.  Hawthorn acted in haste.