On 8/28/2019 at 12:51 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Young would be a good pick but imo Ash is a better fit right now.  His pace is the standout.  

Speed of ball use > speed of foot

You seem to have an obsession with foot speed. Ash is fast, but like Frost has a tendency to blindly bomb away or miskick because of how quickly he is travelling. 

Look at Hawthorn and Richmond's lists as templates during flag years. Richmond play an incredibly intense and quick surge game that requires an extremely high level of execution of disposal. If they don't have that, it breaks down. 

Hawthorn drafted and traded for elite ball users and demolished opposition sides because they could completely dictate the speed of games. 

We were one of the poorest skilled sides and are one of the poorest skilled sides. It is ball use and footy IQ that we are in desperate need of. It runs from ball use coming from defence through to first disposal out of a contest in the middle, through to delivery inside 50. 

We look slow because we are slow in the way we use the ball and make decisions. 

 

 

On 8/31/2019 at 12:17 PM, Diamond_Jim said:

Pace or more importantly burst speed is so essential at AFL level. You can have the most sublime skills at junior level but if you get caught in  a tackle or get caught flat footed while your opposition turns you that's the end.

Hard decisions.

Is it easier to make someone faster or a better kick

Ryan Flaherty says hi

I am keen on taking Hayden Young.

Topping the agility test at the Draft Combine is a big tick.

On 10/4/2019 at 8:11 AM, stevethemanjordan said:

Speed of ball use > speed of foot

You seem to have an obsession with foot speed. Ash is fast, but like Frost has a tendency to blindly bomb away or miskick because of how quickly he is travelling. 

Look at Hawthorn and Richmond's lists as templates during flag years. Richmond play an incredibly intense and quick surge game that requires an extremely high level of execution of disposal. If they don't have that, it breaks down. 

Hawthorn drafted and traded for elite ball users and demolished opposition sides because they could completely dictate the speed of games. 

We were one of the poorest skilled sides and are one of the poorest skilled sides. It is ball use and footy IQ that we are in desperate need of. It runs from ball use coming from defence through to first disposal out of a contest in the middle, through to delivery inside 50. 

We look slow because we are slow in the way we use the ball and make decisions. 

 

 

Spot on.

Ash adds speed. But tends to run himself into trouble or just bomb away unexpectedly to no one in particular. 

Some people are overly obsessed with speed.

2 hours ago, Supreme_Demon said:

I am keen on taking Hayden Young.

Topping the agility test at the Draft Combine is a big tick.

Anyone know how he went in the 2km TT, yo-yo test and 20m sprint?

2 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

Anyone know how he went in the 2km TT, yo-yo test and 20m sprint?

I don't think he featured in the top results. 

I heard that he killed the yo-yo test with his versions of "Walk The Dog" and "Rock The Baby".

Who's the better kick. Young or Gould?

43 minutes ago, A F said:

Who's the better kick. Young or Gould?

Young. 

3 hours ago, A F said:

Who's the better kick. Young or Gould?

Looking at his highlights package Gould is an exceptional kick, has good speed across the ground and is strong around the ball and in the air.

Does young have these attributes beside his kicking ability?

Hayden Young.  Absolute gun ball user. Exactly what MFC needs!! We are turnover kings. Young is a smart player and has gone aerial skills and endurance.  Has the makings of a 10-year plus player.  Hard to bypass at pick 3. 

2 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Hayden Young.  Absolute gun ball user. Exactly what MFC needs!! We are turnover kings. Young is a smart player and has gone aerial skills and endurance.  Has the makings of a 10-year plus player.  Hard to bypass at pick 3. 

Are Young and Weightman exactly what we need or is it someone else?

What's your top 10?

Top 10

1&2 Rowell and Anderson

pick 3 Tom Green (Dees should nominate him if we don’t get the required pick exchange ) 

4- Young

5- Kemp

6- Serong

7- Stephens

8- Flanders

9- Ash

10- Gould 

others like Weightman but I have him around 18-20. 

I’m a wrap for Jeremy Sharp from WA.  Another WA kid who might fly under the radar because he’s not in the NAB league focus. Already playing seniors. Could go at 14-15 imo.  Deven Robertson is also a gun from WA and likely picked as a top 12 player.  

 

5 minutes ago, BAMF said:

 

Well there it is! 

Based on the 4 minute highlight clips that we all form our options from he is our man!!! 

 

Did not want that highlight reel to stop. I read that he is a great intercept marker too as well as pretty courageous and willing to out him body on the line. 

 

Isn' it strange, reading into  all the media hype pre trade period and before gold Coast got thier charity package I had the Impression this was a pretty shallow draft I can now see us taking two very solid players capable of playing 200 plus games for the club. 

 

The only worry is we can get caught in drafting for needs e.g weightman unless our scouts who should have been watching the under 18s all year and would know much more than us(not always gaurenteed to be correct though)... Also players who may not translate to afl, (small ceiling players) we need to look for players with elite ball use and decision making as well as predict the ability for them to continue to improve and mature into star afl players. 

 

GREAT WORK DEES, love the idea of sacrificing next year' first rround in a draft full of academy/ father sons for this year' group of boys. 

 

Young is already a better ball user than most at our club. I think young would be clear third. His foot skills alone are better than a wuick dash. Ash appears to turn-it-over quite alot. Serong would be great too. Tough decisions for the club but they have better information on thses players. We can only guess.

based on three minutes of highlights...mm hm, yes please

Watched all 11 of Young's highlight wraps from the the NAB League app, Weightman > 6, Kemp > 3, Serong > 5, Flanders >11, Ash 10 plus the rwo main reels for Stephens & Gould.

Based on what we need and who is the best available i would go...

Pick 3.  Young

Pick 8.  Weightman/Stephens (can't split those two... haven't seen enough of Stephens and unsure of his actual height with one report saying 183cm another saying 172cm).

I seriously don't see much upside for us in the other options aside from Gould IF we were after another tall running HB and i'm not sure we need another.  Although who knows, if one or two key backs go down during 2020 with significant injury.  Also a handy option for when May hangs the boots up.

If we were assured of getting young should we split and received say 6 and a 20 and he Gould was still there around then i would go.

Young, Weightman/Stephens & Gould.

Edited October 20, 20196 yr by Rusty Nails

10 hours ago, BAMF said:

 

I was hoping to see a larger sample size of his kick into the middle against WA, the video above indicates he is indeed an elite kick off his left.

What i liked most were his marks backing into traffic and not taking his eyes off it and his tackle at the 2.35 mark where he engaged in some argy bargy after laying the tackle (i like a bit of mongrel in players!).

This video has now assured me that he is the one we need at pick 3, pick 8 can be Kemp if he gets through or Weightman if not.

 

 

Surely we nab him at 3

This kids kicking is absolutely elite. Not only that, he is a good intercept mark and can make space. We need to keep pick 3 and take this kid. As others have said, 8 can be Kemp if he is still there or Weightman/Stephens if he is not. Cannot let this kid get to another club.

Ditto the comment about his kicking looking good (albeit not under the same pressure and pace as AFL)

I’d be happy to take him at 3 and join the ‘man bun’ club we are forming. 

1 minute ago, Nelo said:

I’d be happy to take him at 3 and join the ‘man bun’ club we are forming. 

men bun? starting to sound like a silvio berlusconi party

Young is looking good at 3 however if the club believe that he will be available at 6 then it would be a good move to swap 3 for 6 and GWS 1st round.