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Two first round picks was ridiculous. You pay that for a top 25 player in the comp. Maybe. It’s debatable that Lever is even in the top 75. And he’s injury prone. This trade has cost us the opportunity to bring in a young gun like a Duursma or an Ollie Florent. Who’s making these decisions? Mahoney and Goodwin? It’s disgraceful.

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9 minutes ago, GaryBusey said:

Two first round picks was ridiculous. You pay that for a top 25 player in the comp. Maybe. It’s debatable that Lever is even in the top 75. And he’s injury prone. This trade has cost us the opportunity to bring in a young gun like a Duursma or an Ollie Florent. Who’s making these decisions? Mahoney and Goodwin? It’s disgraceful.

I think it'll work out

I'm a huge fan of Lever and like so many of our underdone players in 2019, looking forward to a terrific 2020 from him

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Watch Goodwin trade away pick 2 for unders in an attempt to save his career. Brad Hill will give Goodwin a much better chance at retaining his job then Anderson or Young will in the short term.

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2 minutes ago, olisik said:

Watch Goodwin trade away pick 2 for unders in an attempt to save his career. Brad Hill will give Goodwin a much better chance at retaining his job then Anderson or Young will in the short term.

Don't know much about the potential draftees, but Brad Hill would be a good pick up...yes? No?

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He’s not long come back from an ACL, can we at least let him have a pre-season and string some more games together. I understand being outraged on the internet is the in-thing these days but let’s hold off until mid-way through next season. 

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7 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Don't know much about the potential draftees, but Brad Hill would be a good pick up...yes? No?

Good pickup, bad pickup for pick 2

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Nah.

Clearly supporters have nfi of the impact a comeback from an ACL has on a player. 

Lever has now had two. 

Do you really think the club thought he'd do a second one on the other knee when trading for him? 

His intercept marking and killing of the contest are absolutely elite. Something that Oscar and Frost are questionable at. 

Yeh, he can clean up his skills but he is a gem and will prove his worth throughout the next 2-5 years. 

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20 minutes ago, GaryBusey said:

Two first round picks was ridiculous. You pay that for a top 25 player in the comp. Maybe. It’s debatable that Lever is even in the top 75. And he’s injury prone. This trade has cost us the opportunity to bring in a young gun like a Duursma or an Ollie Florent. Who’s making these decisions? Mahoney and Goodwin? It’s disgraceful.

When the trade went through, Lever had just played off in a Grand Final and made the 2017 All Australian squad.  He was one of the top young players in the league.

Lever, 2017 Pick 37 and 2018 3rd round.

FOR

Pick 10, 2018 1st and 2018 4th round.

 

Which seems to have worked out to be:

Jake Lever

Pick 37 2017: Harrison Petty (Melbourne)

Pick 47 2018: Matthew Parker (StKilda)

FOR

Pick 10 2017: Lochie O'Brien (Carlton)

Pick19 2018: Liam Stocker (Carlton)

Pick 67 2018: Robbie Young (StKilda)

 

Doesn't look too bad to me...

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Great summation, although we’ll need to wait a few years before being able to properly appraise the returns of all those players.

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Bit quick to be calling out the Lever trade. Apart from some shonky disposal, he was very good yesterday.

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49 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

When the trade went through, Lever had just played off in a Grand Final and made the 2017 All Australian squad.  He was one of the top young players in the league.

Lever, 2017 Pick 37 and 2018 3rd round.

FOR

Pick 10, 2018 1st and 2018 4th round.

 

Which seems to have worked out to be:

Jake Lever

Pick 37 2017: Harrison Petty (Melbourne)

Pick 47 2018: Matthew Parker (StKilda)

FOR

Pick 10 2017: Lochie O'Brien (Carlton)

Pick19 2018: Liam Stocker (Carlton)

Pick 67 2018: Robbie Young (StKilda)

 

Doesn't look too bad to me...

👍 I would do the trade again in a heart beat. 

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Notwithstanding further injury problems, this trade will be a huge win for the Demons.  Lever was a star in 2017, and was playing into some good form last year before injury.  He is one of the more courageous aerial players in the league and a decent preseason will set him up for a great 2020.

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I don't like his one on one efforts nor am I a fan of his kicking under pressure. It scares me that there's times when he's Oscar McDonald one on one as a defender and Frost with the ball.

But.........

Watch him play and you'll also see:
- He comes over the top and spoils definitively as a third man and bravely
- He peels off and intercept marks
- He can handball on both sides of his body accurately and quickly
- He gives good encouragement to team mates
- He makes space, shepherds and runs to receive like a good player

The best backline interceptors - McGovern, Harris Andrews, Sicily can all take an opponent and defend them to a level Lever can't now but he could still improve in that way. Otherwise though there's no reason Lever can't get back to the best of his games when the rest of the side does their jobs too. There were some good signs against the Eagles and Saints. Foolish to make too much of a judgement right now.
 

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The point of the thread isn’t that Lever isn’t a good player. He’s more than decent and was worth pick 10 - 20. But we shelled out much more than that, another first round pick when we didn’t have to. He was out of contract. Why are we so weak at trades and get bent over more often than not? Mahoney sold off part of the farm when he didn’t have to. Bad management.

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Really?  I get that people are upset with how we have gone this year, but dragging the Lever trade out again?  Goodness, find something else!

I think we made an absolutely perfect set of decisions bringing May and Lever to the club.  With a top flight full back and a great intercept defender, we will have the makings of an excellent defense.  This will be a cornerstone of what we need to go all the way.  To trade in young players and only have frost and Omac back there, and JWags (we had not drafted Hore at this stage), it was an obvious weakness.  Find the best available and get them - and that is what we did.

This year was a blowout.  ACL and then recovery means we have not seen his best, but it is there.  Put him in a side where he doesnt have to be 1:1 key defender and the freedom will change him up again.

The trade is DONE.  Move on, would you, already?

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8 minutes ago, GaryBusey said:

The point of the thread isn’t that Lever isn’t a good player. He’s more than decent and was worth pick 10 - 20. But we shelled out much more than that, another first round pick when we didn’t have to. He was out of contract. Why are we so weak at trades and get bent over more often than not? Mahoney sold off part of the farm when he didn’t have to. Bad management.

No. We have to pay overs until the club starts winning regularly. 

That is our fault yes, but also a Market Reality. 

We are not yet a First Choice Club, we have to offer extra incentives. 

The same will happen this Summer. 

Getting Darren Burgess on board will help the situation going forward

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1 hour ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

When the trade went through, Lever had just played off in a Grand Final and made the 2017 All Australian squad.  He was one of the top young players in the league.

Lever, 2017 Pick 37 and 2018 3rd round.

FOR

Pick 10, 2018 1st and 2018 4th round.

 

Which seems to have worked out to be:

Jake Lever

Pick 37 2017: Harrison Petty (Melbourne)

Pick 47 2018: Matthew Parker (StKilda)

FOR

Pick 10 2017: Lochie O'Brien (Carlton)

Pick19 2018: Liam Stocker (Carlton)

Pick 67 2018: Robbie Young (StKilda)

 

Doesn't look too bad to me...

Don’t go coming round here with your logic and reasoning. 

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1 hour ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

When the trade went through, Lever had just played off in a Grand Final and made the 2017 All Australian squad.  He was one of the top young players in the league.

Lever, 2017 Pick 37 and 2018 3rd round.

FOR

Pick 10, 2018 1st and 2018 4th round.

 

Which seems to have worked out to be:

Jake Lever

Pick 37 2017: Harrison Petty (Melbourne)

Pick 47 2018: Matthew Parker (StKilda)

FOR

Pick 10 2017: Lochie O'Brien (Carlton)

Pick19 2018: Liam Stocker (Carlton)

Pick 67 2018: Robbie Young (StKilda)

 

Doesn't look too bad to me...

That’s if we drafted those players. Was plenty of other available players such as Tim Kelly, Liam Ryan, Petrucelli ect available in the draft when these selections were made. 

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I reckon I've worked it out. 

1.  Gary Busey played Buddy Holly in a movie.

2.  Buddy Holly used to slick his hair back with oil.

3.  This left an oilslick

4.  Oilslick and olisik ... not too far apart are they?

5.  Buddy Holly, like olisik, liked to "Rave On".

Join the dots, people.

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2 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

He’s not long come back from an ACL, can we at least let him have a pre-season and string some more games together. I understand being outraged on the internet is the in-thing these days but let’s hold off until mid-way through next season. 

Ridiculous suggestion, that doesn't even fit the narrative that Goodwin is stubborn and cannot coach. 

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6 minutes ago, olisik said:

That’s if we drafted those players. Was plenty of other available players such as Tim Kelly, Liam Ryan, Petrucelli ect available in the draft when these selections were made. 

Good call Olisik. Paying an unnecessary extra first rounder for Lever means we have a guy like ANB or JKH in the side instead of a Liam Ryan or Conor Rozee type. No wonder we’re crap.

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21 minutes ago, demonstone said:

I reckon I've worked it out. 

1.  Gary Busey played Buddy Holly in a movie.

2.  Buddy Holly used to slick his hair back with oil.

3.  This left an oilslick

4.  Oilslick and olisik ... not too far apart are they?

5.  Buddy Holly, like olisik, liked to "Rave On".

Join the dots, people.

nicely done @demonstone nicely done.

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