PREGAME: Rd 17 vs Bulldogs

[Wells 11 5,434]

27 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

The best back line in the AFL does not excite me, the best back line with a non  existent forward line won't win you games, no great team ever had the best back line without a great forward half.

Although  I share some of this sentiment, great backlines with smooth movement out of the back half can make average fwd lines look v good. They’re way underdone back there right now and haven’t played together much as a group, but I’ll be looking for glimpses of what we might see and how we set up in the fwd half. 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,944]

13 hours ago, Alex Flood said:

Do you guys think this is our best backline we can produce ? When all fit would Marty Hore gets a spot in their with how good he’s playing ? I could see him only replacing Salem or Hibberd with one of them going on to a wing. Thoughts ?

We always play a back seven to allow for rotations, so there is still room for Hore in the side. Probably replaces Petty on the bench unless Jones plays as the nominal seventh defender.

I'm not averse to Salem moving to the midfield, but I just can't see it happening. 

[Demon17 5,208]

14 hours ago, The Lobster Effect said:

I agree Hannah Gadsby is a bit overrated.

Probably would've contributed more than Hannan last week.  I agree Hannan /ANB are in the frame

[sisso 2,580]

I’m still nervous about playing Lever at ACL Stadium...

[spirit of norm smith 16,596]

Please no Omcd.  Has done nothing to deserve a recall. Has had a horrible 2019.  Has definitely actually shown he is not up to AFL standard. 

[binman 44,130]

28 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Please no Omcd.  Has done nothing to deserve a recall. Has had a horrible 2019.  Has definitely actually shown he is not up to AFL standard. 

I can actually see Petty not coming up and Omac coming in and standing Shache (or perhaps Naughton deep). Lever to play the intercept role and May standing Naughton or Shache but licence to attack. Salem to play up the ground. Frost on Dickson.

Not sure where that leaves Jones though. Even if Petty comes in not Omac, with Jones at HB we have 2 too many defenders so perhaps neither will play.

[Smokey 4,389]

I love the fact people are talking about how we have our best 6 on the park finally, and that Sam Frost is on that list. A testament to the hard work he has obviously put into his game, proud of the lad. I'm a big Frosty fan these days, having previously been a naysayer. Humble pie can taste good sometimes. 

I don't agree with the calls to drop Petty at all, even if he is prone to mistakes. He's showing a hell of a lot already and since his body is already AFL standard, lets get some games into him for the rest of the year so we never have to go back to Omac. Also, Omac must be traded at seasons end. I'd love to see Omac line up against Tmac one day. Spoiler alert, Tmac will destroy him on work rate alone. 

Not really sure what to do with ANB anymore, his work rate is second to none but whats that worth when your disposal and goal kicking is generally awful. I'd be looking to trade him at the end of the year in any case. 

I didnt watch the doggies game last week so i really have no idea how on earth they knocked off the Cats, but if I'm looking at this game on paper, their forward half should struggle big time against this back 6. 

We win this. 

[ArtificialWisdom 4,045]

21 minutes ago, Smokey said:

I didnt watch the doggies game last week so i really have no idea how on earth they knocked off the Cats, but if I'm looking at this game on paper, their forward half should struggle big time against this back 6. 

Dogs were very lucky to still be in the game at qtr time. Cats were pretty dominant early but didn't put the score on the board (sounds familiar). It was realitively even across qtrs 2&3 then the dogs were clearly the best side in the last. 

If we can be efficient going forward we'll be in with a huge chance this week. But I suppose that could be said of each week on 2019 

[Lucifers Hero 40,423]

30 minutes ago, Smokey said:

I didnt watch the doggies game last week so i really have no idea how on earth they knocked off the Cats, but if I'm looking at this game on paper, their forward half should struggle big time against this back 6.

Free kicks: Dogs 28 to Cats 13.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

3 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Free kicks: Dogs 28 to Cats 13.

Reckon that's always a bit of shallow reasoning mate. Dogs had more tackles which could have impacted that free kick count, plus they were WAY more effective with the ball with less disposals per goal and a better conversion rate. They also absolutely smashed the Cats for 1%ers.

Free kick counts don't have to be even, particularly when one team is statistically proven to be showing more intent and being more effective.

[ErmieJones 63]

14 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Hoping to see Petracca, ANB, Dunkkley and Lockhart on the bench (with Petty making way and joining OMac and the Wagners as emergencies).

Just not sure we need May, Frost, Lever and Petty in the side, let alone against the Dogs (and certainly not OMac on top of that).

Agree mate, Doggies have smallish Forward line!

[ErmieJones 63]

1 hour ago, binman said:

I can actually see Petty not coming up and Omac coming in and standing Shache (or perhaps Naughton deep). Lever to play the intercept role and May standing Naughton or Shache but licence to attack. Salem to play up the ground. Frost on Dickson.

Not sure where that leaves Jones though. Even if Petty comes in not Omac, with Jones at HB we have 2 too many defenders so perhaps neither will play.

Binman if we were to put Omac on Naughton it wouldn't matter who was intercepting he would take 10 Marks and kick 5. Need a solid defender May or Frost on him. Gotta stop the bloke for jumping.

[ding 5,126]

Our form, even with 2 wins from our last 3 games, isnt good. 

We have certainly improved in the last few weeks, but have only gone from shocking to poor.

Dogs will use leg speed every chance they get,knowing how easy it is to get "out the back" after the inevitable sloppy Melbourne turnover. No great surprise there because practically every team plays us the same way, or at least tries to. Speed is our biggest enemy, other than our own diabolical skills.

 

I will be very very happy to win this one as the odds dont favor us tbh.

[Lucifers Hero 40,423]

39 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Reckon that's always a bit of shallow reasoning mate. Dogs had more tackles which could have impacted that free kick count, plus they were WAY more effective with the ball with less disposals per goal and a better conversion rate. They also absolutely smashed the Cats for 1%'ers.

Free kick counts don't have to be even, particularly when one team is statistically proven to be showing more intent and being more effective.

Clearly I know frees do not have to be even!

Shallow?  Why? 

Sorry I don't buy the 'statistically proven' bit as the dogs had only 10 more tackles and granted a lot more 1%.  In other respects the game was relatively even.  And, stats can be used to paint any picture to suit a viewpoint eg I could argue the Cats had a better conversion rate than the Dogs:  20 scoring shots for 44 i50 to Dogs 21 scoring shots for 52 i50. 

Also, neither tackles nor 1%'ers is a good indicator of free kicks.   And certainly not for a differential of 28 to 13.  Crikey, I would love us to get 2.2 frees for the opp 1.0 every time we win the tackle, 1%, and i50 count!  

Anyway, my post was a bit tongue-in-cheek.

Edited July 12, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

[binman 44,130]

26 minutes ago, ErmieJones said:

Binman if we were to put Omac on Naughton it wouldn't matter who was intercepting he would take 10 Marks and kick 5. Need a solid defender May or Frost on him. Gotta stop the bloke for jumping.

Why?  No forward has kicked a bag on him this year. Not even Jenkins,  who if you believe dl destroyed him. Sure he had the better of him but only kicked 2 (and 4 the nex week on one of the best defenders in the AFL).

[Lord Nev 13,512]

7 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

And, stats can be used to paint any picture to suit a viewpoint

 

48 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Free kicks: Dogs 28 to Cats 13.

PS - Of course tackle counts can effect free kick counts.

PPS - Conversion rate was Dogs 47.6%, Cats 35%.

[ErmieJones 63]

4 minutes ago, binman said:

Why?  No forward has kicked a bag on him this year. Not even Jenkins,  who if you believe dl destroyed him. Sure he had the better of him but only kicked 2 (and 4 the nex week on one of the best defenders in the AFL).

Jenkins is [censored] and he kicked 2.3 on him. IMO Oscar isn't in our best 22 and I have fears he might not be up to AFL standard anymore.

Either way, I'd be surprised if he plays when we already have May, Frost, Lever & Petty.

[rjay 25,197]

1 hour ago, ErmieJones said:

Need a solid defender May or Frost on him.

I hope it's not Frost either, and don't think it will be.

This is the job we brought May in to do.

[forever demons 2,253]

in time i would not be surprised to see frost become a ggreat midfielder,big body strong and fast.If he improves his agilty and aroebics he would be a real handful in centre clearances

[picket fence 17,728]

5 hours ago, binman said:

I can actually see Petty not coming up and Omac coming in and standing Shache (or perhaps Naughton deep). Lever to play the intercept role and May standing Naughton or Shache but licence to attack. Salem to play up the ground. Frost on Dickson.

Not sure where that leaves Jones though. Even if Petty comes in not Omac, with Jones at HB we have 2 too many defenders so perhaps neither will play.

If Oscar plays then I really have No Idea at all!!

A bit like Australia picking No footwork Handscomb last night!

Edited July 12, 2019 by picket fence

[dl4e 5,851]

We will beat the bullies. Keep a tab on Naughton and you half have them.

[Diamond_Jim 12,639]

34 minutes ago, dl4e said:

We will beat the bullies. Keep a tab on Naughton and you half have them.

Maybe... Bulldogs and North pre season would have been pencilled in as definite wins but.......

[poita 3,902]

What's wrong with Weideman? This really highlights the stupidity of relying on Smith as a backup key forward - he is never available when you need him.

[Demonland 73,265]

Weideman out with a calf injury. 

[Demonland 73,265]

1 minute ago, poita said:

What's wrong with Weideman? This really highlights the stupidity of relying on Smith as a backup key forward - he is never available when you need him.

Calf injury