Hell no.

Wont happen and shouldnt happen.

  On 18/06/2019 at 21:32, Rusty Nails said:

2019 AFL League Turnovers Per Game Leaders (Minimum 3 Games Played)
Rk	Player	Team	Gm	Stat
1	T. Boak	Power	12	6.58
2	A. Gaff	Eagles	10	6.30
3	D. Heppell	Bombers	12	6.08
4	E. Yeo	Eagles	11	6.00
4	J. Riewoldt	Tigers	3	6.00
6	B. Houli	Tigers	10	5.90
7	T. Cotchin	Tigers	5	5.80
8	D. Swallow	Suns	13	5.77
9	J. Sicily	Hawks	12	5.75
10	D. Shiel	Bombers	11	5.73

 

Gus ranked 22nd after the last round for anyone who's interested.

Thanks mate Good to see one negative stat we dont lead

  On 18/06/2019 at 21:32, Rusty Nails said:

2019 AFL League Turnovers Per Game Leaders (Minimum 3 Games Played)
Rk	Player	Team	Gm	Stat
1	T. Boak	Power	12	6.58
2	A. Gaff	Eagles	10	6.30
3	D. Heppell	Bombers	12	6.08
4	E. Yeo	Eagles	11	6.00
4	J. Riewoldt	Tigers	3	6.00
6	B. Houli	Tigers	10	5.90
7	T. Cotchin	Tigers	5	5.80
8	D. Swallow	Suns	13	5.77
9	J. Sicily	Hawks	12	5.75
10	D. Shiel	Bombers	11	5.73

 

Gus ranked 22nd after the last round for anyone who's interested.

I suppose if you get 30+ possessions every week, there'll be some clangers in there

  On 18/06/2019 at 05:57, Bring-Back-Powell said:

 2018 Brownlow Medal full leaderboard

Place	Player	Club	Votes
1	Tom Mitchell	HAW	28
2	Steele Sidebottom	COL	24
3	Angus Brayshaw	MEL	21
4	Patrick Cripps	CAR	20
4	Max Gawn	MEL	20

past performance is no indication of future returns

The only thing remaining that convinces me MFC watchers are trying to foment peak panic is "MFC should trade Gawn and Oliver"

Hell No do we trade Brayshaw! (Check Meters Gained and then think about Viney/Oliver and how they play!)

It pains me to say this but if any midfielder was put up from trade from the group of inside mid's it would be Viney.

If you line up the Key Mid's Harmes/Brayshaw/Oliver/Viney its clear Viney should be the one we are asking the questions of re his physical limitations and further development to take us to the next level.

Modern mid fielders are built like Oliver/Brayshaw and they are both younger with more development to come as the question is Viney going to get better? Based on physical upside you'd say no so how does he continue to improve our group? 

 

 

 

 

I am continually amazed as to how Stats are compiled and what criteria are used.

Is a handball effective if it leaves the hand properly , goes 1M to another player who fumbles it (and is that a critical error for that player OR should it be an ieffective handball ??

Gus clearances are positive and provide a quick transition into our forward line. Is it an error to Gus, that the fwd leade into the wrong zone etc...

I would hope the Club analyse (and I am confident they would) all this, because frankly I feell many of our posters take the simplistic view in bagging players.

  On 18/06/2019 at 23:51, Dee Watcher said:

Hell No do we trade Brayshaw! (Check Meters Gained and then think about Viney/Oliver and how they play!)

It pains me to say this but if any midfielder was put up from trade from the group of inside mid's it would be Viney.

If you line up the Key Mid's Harmes/Brayshaw/Oliver/Viney its clear Viney should be the one we are asking the questions of re his physical limitations and further development to take us to the next level.

Modern mid fielders are built like Oliver/Brayshaw and they are both younger with more development to come as the question is Viney going to get better? Based on physical upside you'd say no so how does he continue to improve our group?

A fully fit Viney can play a lot better ... he doesn't look fit to me which takes away his greatest asset (attack on the ball with the ability to break tackles)

However,  he needs to work on his decision making once in the clear. 

He is another keeper for mine but I doubt he would be put up for trade anyway. 

  On 19/06/2019 at 01:46, Macca said:

A fully fit Viney can play a lot better ... he doesn't look fit to me which takes away his greatest asset (attack on the ball with the ability to break tackles)

However,  he needs to work on his decision making once in the clear. 

He is another keeper for mine but I doubt he would be put up for trade anyway. 

I doubt Viney has improvement in terms of Fitness or Learning new tricks. I iterate that I would consider trading Viney, but Not Brayshaw! I take the point that MFC Culture Killed Junior Mc Donald, but I rate Junior much higher than JV !

Edited June 19, 20195 yr by picket fence

I don't think we should trade Viney as i think we'd get limited value back for a heart and soul player so its simply not worth it however in terms of the key mid field group if we had to make a move he'd be first on the block.

It seems our outside mid's and run/carry with polish are more of an issue than the core mid's being discussed.

 

Everyone knows Viney has no 'right side'.  Opposition exploit it mercilessly. 

I just don't get why he and the coaches have not after 6 years developed his right side at all. 

He could be a much better player with a few right sided tricks by hand and or by foot.

Hes a keeper but I guess perhaps after the year we have had everything is on the table.

 

  On 18/06/2019 at 05:51, Clintosaurus said:

No to trading Angus. Kicking can be fixed more easily than being able to find the pill.

Very true. I still know that Gus will improve as he has done in the past with severe injury - and I still hold the images of Gus fully utilising the 360-degree freedom (that he creates) to ply his run, carry and delivery with the hard ball. Gus is not a flanker - he doesn't need that much space and it is restricting for his game style; he sees ball or gets it tapped to him, carries ball, executes. Sometimes these disposals are astray but like Gawn, he has to carry some team dead weight each week. With the return of our acknowledged power bank and some timely good fortune strapped to that return, Gus' value will re-emerge - that's for sure. 

trade Angus ???   lol

Probably trade most of the FD first !!!

  On 19/06/2019 at 01:46, Macca said:

A fully fit Viney can play a lot better ... he doesn't look fit to me which takes away his greatest asset (attack on the ball with the ability to break tackles)

However,  he needs to work on his decision making once in the clear. 

He is another keeper for mine but I doubt he would be put up for trade anyway. 

A few posters on the forum have suggested we give Viney lot more minutes up forward  to apply defensive pressure and crumb. Which gives more time for Brayshaw to flourish as a pure inside mid where he was dominant last year. What do you think?

Edited June 19, 20195 yr by John Demonic

  On 19/06/2019 at 09:25, John Demonic said:

A few posters on the forum have suggested we give Viney lot more minutes up forward  to apply defensive pressure and crumb. Which gives more time for Brayshaw to flourish as a pure inside mid where he was dominant last year. What do you think?

Previously (last week) I mentioned here that because our year is almost certainly shot in terms of finals,  playing Oliver forward with Jones/Viney rotating forward as well was worth a try.

Petracca to play out of the middle for the rest of the year along with Brayshaw & Harmes.

We could rotate all the above as well.  They've all got talent so what have we got to lose by changing things up JD? 

TMac,  Weid,  Spargo & Garlett to take up somewhat lesser roles but I'm not sure all 4 of them deserve to be playing anyway.  2 of the 4 play and maybe blood a couple of the new additions (to fit in somewhere)

We can experiment and still go all out for victories.  In some ways we need to start planning for next year but that includes gaining momentum for next year.

Edited June 19, 20195 yr by Macca

  On 18/06/2019 at 06:05, Sir Why You Little said:

If Gus was Top 10 last year I would agree, but Top 3 means he is a keeper...

He was top 3 in the league last year ... According to the umpires we routinely label as incompetent on a weekly basis. 

  On 19/06/2019 at 14:09, Smokey said:

He was top 3 in the league last year ... According to the umpires we routinely label as incompetent on a weekly basis. 

Your point being Angus had a poor season in 2018 is it?

  On 19/06/2019 at 01:46, Macca said:

A fully fit Viney can play a lot better ... he doesn't look fit to me which takes away his greatest asset (attack on the ball with the ability to break tackles)

However,  he needs to work on his decision making once in the clear. 

He is another keeper for mine but I doubt he would be put up for trade anyway. 

A fully fit Viney is a serious competitor we know that.

Anything less becomes a problem.

What lm beginning to doubt is his ability to regain proper fitness or are his injuries becoming chronic?

If it’s the latter we have a problem.

We seem to get very little news on the subject.

  On 19/06/2019 at 23:08, Dockett 32 said:

A fully fit Viney is a serious competitor we know that.

Anything less becomes a problem.

What lm beginning to doubt is his ability to regain proper fitness or are his injuries becoming chronic?

If it’s the latter we have a problem.

We seem to get very little news on the subject.

Yeah it is a chronic problem right throughout the club Dockett ... that's why I'm loathe to point the finger at any particular player.

We have very few players operating at maximum output and if we were to analyse the whole season not one player comes to mind as a standout other than Gawn.

The above is the reason why I believe we can finish off the season well (if we can get our act together)

  On 18/06/2019 at 05:42, Sir Why You Little said:

Viney should go before Brayshaw...

Sadly you may be right.  I don't think jack can solve his right side issues whereas as Brayshaw can improve his weaknesses, and his performance alone in the finals has to count for something (think 3rd 1/4 Vs hawks.)

  On 19/06/2019 at 09:25, John Demonic said:

A few posters on the forum have suggested we give Viney lot more minutes up forward  to apply defensive pressure and crumb. Which gives more time for Brayshaw to flourish as a pure inside mid where he was dominant last year. What do you think?

Except is Viney quick enough for this role? The best pressure forward tend to be super quick of the mark and great at close space quickly to trouble rebounding defenders. Viney and the chase down tackle don't really go in the same sentence. 

  On 20/06/2019 at 00:18, Dee Watcher said:

Except is Viney quick enough for this role? The best pressure forward tend to be super quick of the mark and great at close space quickly to trouble rebounding defenders. Viney and the chase down tackle don't really go in the same sentence. 

We have to do something different though DW ... Petracca is the only one out of the 7 who plays forward (McDonald,  Weideman,  Hannan,  Hunt,  Spargo & Garlett being the others) who is getting to enough contests and therefore getting enough possessions.  And when they do get it they butcher the ball.

Our forwards just aren't doing anywhere near enough ... the eye test and stats confirn all that.  And it has been a problem since round 1.

If any of them got dropped would we be surprised?  So Viney or Jones or Oliver playing forward couldn't do any worse in my opinion.  We need players forward of the ball who can win the ball.

With Rawlings taking over the forward line they might collectively get 1 more opportunity but I'd be making at least 2 changes to the forward line right now.  Probably 3 changes and send a clear message.

Edited June 20, 20195 yr by Macca

  On 20/06/2019 at 00:18, Dee Watcher said:

Except is Viney quick enough for this role? The best pressure forward tend to be super quick of the mark and great at close space quickly to trouble rebounding defenders. Viney and the chase down tackle don't really go in the same sentence. 

In a word? Yes. ANB was our best last year and he is no quicker than Viney. Forward pressure is more reliant on mindset than just pure pace. Sure we might not see him Chase down players like Saad running out the backline but his front on pressure could be a huge asset.

The only * on Viney as a forward is his ability to convert. He's an awful setshot at the best of times. Playing forward he would need to do it often. 

Adding Viney as a forward might also help with our scrappy entries. 1 because Viney wont be kicking them in as often but also because if the balls inbetween him and his opponent I'd back him to win it more often than not. Unlike players like Spargo, Garlett etc

  On 18/06/2019 at 10:04, Diamond_Jim said:

quite happy to wait until 2020.. and add two good draft picks

FAs next year include Whitfield, Brad Crouch, Heppell, Hawkins, Cameron, Zac Williams, Darling, Jamie Cripps, WCE Kennedy, Easton Wood. There are others and many of these will no doubt re-sign over the next 12 mths.

Wouldn't mind us having a decent crack at Whitfield and Crouch