Jump to content

Lord Nev

Angus Brayshaw to Fremantle Rumours

Recommended Posts

Hell no.

Wont happen and shouldnt happen.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

49 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:
2019 AFL League Turnovers Per Game Leaders (Minimum 3 Games Played)
Rk Player Team Gm Stat
1 T. Boak Power 12 6.58
2 A. Gaff Eagles 10 6.30
3 D. Heppell Bombers 12 6.08
4 E. Yeo Eagles 11 6.00
4 J. Riewoldt Tigers 3 6.00
6 B. Houli Tigers 10 5.90
7 T. Cotchin Tigers 5 5.80
8 D. Swallow Suns 13 5.77
9 J. Sicily Hawks 12 5.75
10 D. Shiel Bombers 11 5.73

 

Gus ranked 22nd after the last round for anyone who's interested.

Thanks mate Good to see one negative stat we dont lead

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:
2019 AFL League Turnovers Per Game Leaders (Minimum 3 Games Played)
Rk Player Team Gm Stat
1 T. Boak Power 12 6.58
2 A. Gaff Eagles 10 6.30
3 D. Heppell Bombers 12 6.08
4 E. Yeo Eagles 11 6.00
4 J. Riewoldt Tigers 3 6.00
6 B. Houli Tigers 10 5.90
7 T. Cotchin Tigers 5 5.80
8 D. Swallow Suns 13 5.77
9 J. Sicily Hawks 12 5.75
10 D. Shiel Bombers 11 5.73

 

Gus ranked 22nd after the last round for anyone who's interested.

I suppose if you get 30+ possessions every week, there'll be some clangers in there

  • Like 3
  • Love 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

 2018 Brownlow Medal full leaderboard

Place Player Club Votes
1 Tom Mitchell HAW 28
2 Steele Sidebottom COL 24
3 Angus Brayshaw MEL 21
4 Patrick Cripps CAR 20
4 Max Gawn MEL 20

past performance is no indication of future returns

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The only thing remaining that convinces me MFC watchers are trying to foment peak panic is "MFC should trade Gawn and Oliver"

  • Like 1
  • Love 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hell No do we trade Brayshaw! (Check Meters Gained and then think about Viney/Oliver and how they play!)

It pains me to say this but if any midfielder was put up from trade from the group of inside mid's it would be Viney.

If you line up the Key Mid's Harmes/Brayshaw/Oliver/Viney its clear Viney should be the one we are asking the questions of re his physical limitations and further development to take us to the next level.

Modern mid fielders are built like Oliver/Brayshaw and they are both younger with more development to come as the question is Viney going to get better? Based on physical upside you'd say no so how does he continue to improve our group? 

 

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I am continually amazed as to how Stats are compiled and what criteria are used.

Is a handball effective if it leaves the hand properly , goes 1M to another player who fumbles it (and is that a critical error for that player OR should it be an ieffective handball ??

Gus clearances are positive and provide a quick transition into our forward line. Is it an error to Gus, that the fwd leade into the wrong zone etc...

I would hope the Club analyse (and I am confident they would) all this, because frankly I feell many of our posters take the simplistic view in bagging players.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Dee Watcher said:

Hell No do we trade Brayshaw! (Check Meters Gained and then think about Viney/Oliver and how they play!)

It pains me to say this but if any midfielder was put up from trade from the group of inside mid's it would be Viney.

If you line up the Key Mid's Harmes/Brayshaw/Oliver/Viney its clear Viney should be the one we are asking the questions of re his physical limitations and further development to take us to the next level.

Modern mid fielders are built like Oliver/Brayshaw and they are both younger with more development to come as the question is Viney going to get better? Based on physical upside you'd say no so how does he continue to improve our group?

A fully fit Viney can play a lot better ... he doesn't look fit to me which takes away his greatest asset (attack on the ball with the ability to break tackles)

However,  he needs to work on his decision making once in the clear. 

He is another keeper for mine but I doubt he would be put up for trade anyway. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Macca said:

A fully fit Viney can play a lot better ... he doesn't look fit to me which takes away his greatest asset (attack on the ball with the ability to break tackles)

However,  he needs to work on his decision making once in the clear. 

He is another keeper for mine but I doubt he would be put up for trade anyway. 

I doubt Viney has improvement in terms of Fitness or Learning new tricks. I iterate that I would consider trading Viney, but Not Brayshaw! I take the point that MFC Culture Killed Junior Mc Donald, but I rate Junior much higher than JV !

Edited by picket fence
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't think we should trade Viney as i think we'd get limited value back for a heart and soul player so its simply not worth it however in terms of the key mid field group if we had to make a move he'd be first on the block.

It seems our outside mid's and run/carry with polish are more of an issue than the core mid's being discussed.

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Everyone knows Viney has no 'right side'.  Opposition exploit it mercilessly. 

I just don't get why he and the coaches have not after 6 years developed his right side at all. 

He could be a much better player with a few right sided tricks by hand and or by foot.

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hes a keeper but I guess perhaps after the year we have had everything is on the table.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 6/18/2019 at 3:21 PM, Clintosaurus said:

No to trading Angus. Kicking can be fixed more easily than being able to find the pill.

Very true. I still know that Gus will improve as he has done in the past with severe injury - and I still hold the images of Gus fully utilising the 360-degree freedom (that he creates) to ply his run, carry and delivery with the hard ball. Gus is not a flanker - he doesn't need that much space and it is restricting for his game style; he sees ball or gets it tapped to him, carries ball, executes. Sometimes these disposals are astray but like Gawn, he has to carry some team dead weight each week. With the return of our acknowledged power bank and some timely good fortune strapped to that return, Gus' value will re-emerge - that's for sure. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

trade Angus ???   lol

Probably trade most of the FD first !!!

  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
7 hours ago, Macca said:

A fully fit Viney can play a lot better ... he doesn't look fit to me which takes away his greatest asset (attack on the ball with the ability to break tackles)

However,  he needs to work on his decision making once in the clear. 

He is another keeper for mine but I doubt he would be put up for trade anyway. 

A few posters on the forum have suggested we give Viney lot more minutes up forward  to apply defensive pressure and crumb. Which gives more time for Brayshaw to flourish as a pure inside mid where he was dominant last year. What do you think?

Edited by John Demonic
  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)
55 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

A few posters on the forum have suggested we give Viney lot more minutes up forward  to apply defensive pressure and crumb. Which gives more time for Brayshaw to flourish as a pure inside mid where he was dominant last year. What do you think?

Previously (last week) I mentioned here that because our year is almost certainly shot in terms of finals,  playing Oliver forward with Jones/Viney rotating forward as well was worth a try.

Petracca to play out of the middle for the rest of the year along with Brayshaw & Harmes.

We could rotate all the above as well.  They've all got talent so what have we got to lose by changing things up JD? 

TMac,  Weid,  Spargo & Garlett to take up somewhat lesser roles but I'm not sure all 4 of them deserve to be playing anyway.  2 of the 4 play and maybe blood a couple of the new additions (to fit in somewhere)

We can experiment and still go all out for victories.  In some ways we need to start planning for next year but that includes gaining momentum for next year.

Edited by Macca
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 6/18/2019 at 4:05 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

If Gus was Top 10 last year I would agree, but Top 3 means he is a keeper...

He was top 3 in the league last year ... According to the umpires we routinely label as incompetent on a weekly basis. 

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
55 minutes ago, Smokey said:

He was top 3 in the league last year ... According to the umpires we routinely label as incompetent on a weekly basis. 

Your point being Angus had a poor season in 2018 is it?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
21 hours ago, Macca said:

A fully fit Viney can play a lot better ... he doesn't look fit to me which takes away his greatest asset (attack on the ball with the ability to break tackles)

However,  he needs to work on his decision making once in the clear. 

He is another keeper for mine but I doubt he would be put up for trade anyway. 

A fully fit Viney is a serious competitor we know that.

Anything less becomes a problem.

What lm beginning to doubt is his ability to regain proper fitness or are his injuries becoming chronic?

If it’s the latter we have a problem.

We seem to get very little news on the subject.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
26 minutes ago, Dockett 32 said:

A fully fit Viney is a serious competitor we know that.

Anything less becomes a problem.

What lm beginning to doubt is his ability to regain proper fitness or are his injuries becoming chronic?

If it’s the latter we have a problem.

We seem to get very little news on the subject.

Yeah it is a chronic problem right throughout the club Dockett ... that's why I'm loathe to point the finger at any particular player.

We have very few players operating at maximum output and if we were to analyse the whole season not one player comes to mind as a standout other than Gawn.

The above is the reason why I believe we can finish off the season well (if we can get our act together)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

On 6/18/2019 at 3:42 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

Viney should go before Brayshaw...

Sadly you may be right.  I don't think jack can solve his right side issues whereas as Brayshaw can improve his weaknesses, and his performance alone in the finals has to count for something (think 3rd 1/4 Vs hawks.)

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 hours ago, John Demonic said:

A few posters on the forum have suggested we give Viney lot more minutes up forward  to apply defensive pressure and crumb. Which gives more time for Brayshaw to flourish as a pure inside mid where he was dominant last year. What do you think?

Except is Viney quick enough for this role? The best pressure forward tend to be super quick of the mark and great at close space quickly to trouble rebounding defenders. Viney and the chase down tackle don't really go in the same sentence. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
28 minutes ago, Dee Watcher said:

Except is Viney quick enough for this role? The best pressure forward tend to be super quick of the mark and great at close space quickly to trouble rebounding defenders. Viney and the chase down tackle don't really go in the same sentence. 

We have to do something different though DW ... Petracca is the only one out of the 7 who plays forward (McDonald,  Weideman,  Hannan,  Hunt,  Spargo & Garlett being the others) who is getting to enough contests and therefore getting enough possessions.  And when they do get it they butcher the ball.

Our forwards just aren't doing anywhere near enough ... the eye test and stats confirn all that.  And it has been a problem since round 1.

If any of them got dropped would we be surprised?  So Viney or Jones or Oliver playing forward couldn't do any worse in my opinion.  We need players forward of the ball who can win the ball.

With Rawlings taking over the forward line they might collectively get 1 more opportunity but I'd be making at least 2 changes to the forward line right now.  Probably 3 changes and send a clear message.

Edited by Macca

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 minutes ago, Dee Watcher said:

Except is Viney quick enough for this role? The best pressure forward tend to be super quick of the mark and great at close space quickly to trouble rebounding defenders. Viney and the chase down tackle don't really go in the same sentence. 

In a word? Yes. ANB was our best last year and he is no quicker than Viney. Forward pressure is more reliant on mindset than just pure pace. Sure we might not see him Chase down players like Saad running out the backline but his front on pressure could be a huge asset.

The only * on Viney as a forward is his ability to convert. He's an awful setshot at the best of times. Playing forward he would need to do it often. 

Adding Viney as a forward might also help with our scrappy entries. 1 because Viney wont be kicking them in as often but also because if the balls inbetween him and his opponent I'd back him to win it more often than not. Unlike players like Spargo, Garlett etc

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 6/18/2019 at 8:04 PM, Diamond_Jim said:

quite happy to wait until 2020.. and add two good draft picks

FAs next year include Whitfield, Brad Crouch, Heppell, Hawkins, Cameron, Zac Williams, Darling, Jamie Cripps, WCE Kennedy, Easton Wood. There are others and many of these will no doubt re-sign over the next 12 mths.

Wouldn't mind us having a decent crack at Whitfield and Crouch

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Social Media

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles

    THE TRADING CHRONICLES 2019

    PART ONE - OVERTURE  I have a disclaimer at the outset. I’m not a fan of the races - be they horses or motors of any kind. Once the final siren sounds on the football season, I find the month or so that follows and corresponds roughly with the Spring Racing Carnival to be the most boring time of the year for sports fans. You turn on the radio and you’re confronted by the monotonous drone of a self-proclaimed racing expert or by the nasally twang of an ex-jockey banging on about the equine p

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features 6

    CHANGES 2019 by The Oracle

    PART 1 - IT’S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THIS TIME This year’s free agency, trade and draft period will see the usual drama and upheaval as the AFL’s 18 clubs seek to better their lists in order to challenge for finals and possibly premiership honours. Long before the final siren sounded on the season just over a week ago, the maneuvering was under way with player agents and clubs discussing possible player movements and in some cases, deals had already been done.  Yesterday, the r

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    HOW FAR SOUTH? by George on the Outer

    It was appropriate that Melbourne was playing its last game of season 2019 in Hobart.  After all, how much further south could the team go? And much as it has done in many of the previous 22 games, the side managed to extract a loss from a winning position by simply giving the ball back to the opposition time and time again. In fact, they gave it back to the opposition to the tune of 53 points from turnovers while, by way of contrast North Melbourne contributed  only 17 points to their oppo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    COOKED by The Oracle

    I can vividly remember when the Demons ventured onto Blundstone Arena for the first time in early 2016 only to lose to the Kangaroos by 20.11.131 to 21.10.136.    Melbourne was then a team on the up and up: young, enthusiastic and bold. It gave up a huge quarter time deficit after kicking against a strong wind but made that up by half time and fell dramatically short after an exciting high scoring affair.  The team lost no fans that day - they were willing to take the game on and attac

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    HELP by KC rom Casey

    The Casey Demons finished off their home and away season against Frankston at Skybus Stadium on Sunday with a narrow, unconvincing 6-point victory that left the door slightly open for a top eight berth when the VFL finals begin in a fortnight’s time. While sunny skies prevailed over Frankston in the morning, the skies became overcast by noon and heavy waves pounded the bay nearby as the rains came in to greet the players as the game started. And conditions stayed dark and dreary for the rem

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    THANKS BUT NO THANKS by George on the Outer

    Thanks, but no thanks! In a round where the club was supposed to thank their fans for the support during the year, the Melbourne Football Club chose to do otherwise with a 53 point loss to a team that sat 15th on the ladder.  Don’t give us cheap jumpers that can’t be sold in the Demon shop.  Don’t give us vouchers to shop there, give us something on the field, which is why we come to the football in the first place. It was a disgraceful performance, which started with a disgracefu

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    SLEEP OUT AT THE MCG by The Oracle

    Around about 12 months ago Melbourne and Sydney fought out an epic battle between two top eight teams fighting for the best possible ladder position in the lead up to the finals. The Swans triumphed by 9 points at the MCG after the Demons came back from five goals down at three quarter time. But for its poor kicking for goal, Melbourne might well have won the game and finished in the top four. Who knows what might then have happened for the club in September? As a consequence, the person re

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    A LITTLE RAY OF SUNSHINE by KC from Casey

    Two clubs that have been hard hit by injury recently took part in a dour battle under dark clouds and, with intermittent showers falling, it wasn’t a pretty game at Victoria Park on Sunday. Despite all that, the Casey Demons added a little ray of sunshine to their day to get the job done over a "traditional" rival with a 15 point victory over Collingwood VFL that breathed life back into their season. There were a few highlights at the ground that in past days has seen many titanic batt

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    THE RETRO ROUND by George on the Outer

    We have seen it all before… Yes, a wonderful idea to showcase what used to be in football.  Big crowds, umpires who knew how to apply the rules and not opinions, high marks, skilful players. But for the Melbourne supporters their retro is what it has been like for the past 10 years. Losing games, end on end, year after year.  Opportunities squandered in front of goal. VFL standard players running around at the MCG. Just more of the same, and the game against Collingwood was no ex

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    THE PEOPLE SPEAK by The Demonland Crew

    Thanks to Demonlanders for their input into this week’s preview. Ralphius Maximus is short and bittersweet: We'll crack in at the bounce to create a contest, win our share of the ball, butcher the forward movement and get scored on easily from the intercepts. Not that hard to predict. Big Demon says: Unfortunately Collingwood will win because they have a lot more to play for. We will be good in parts but really the season is well over so we will have to put up with those bell

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    WHAT, NO BLOOD? by George on the Outer

    The feeling when turning up to the MCG on a Saturday night to play a top four side in Richmond, while the Melbourne sits cemented in close proximity to the bottom of the table is like attending the Colosseum in Ancient Roman times. The expectation is that a bloodbath is about to occur. There are 100,000 Richmond members and 50,000 Melbourne members, and despite the fact that it turned out to be a wet night after half-time, a crowd of only 37K bothered to turn up. That should never have happ

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    A MAN’S ERRAND by KC from Casey

    A young and undermanned Casey Demons were sent out on Saturday to the Swinburne Centre in the shadows of the MCG on a man’s errand against a very experienced Richmond VFL combination which is the clear ladder leader and fielded no less than 18 AFL listed players. It was expected to be a rout and the Tigers made easy work of it in the early stages when they held a 26 point lead by quarter time. To their credit however, the Demons weathered the storm and kept their opponents within the range

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

×
×
  • Create New...