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Oscar will be fine. He was 12th in the B&F last year, is only 23 (young for a big bloke), and is playing in a team that's out of sorts, so as last line of defence, he's always going to be where the buck stops. Though if you want to see what a season looks like when you don't start full training till mid-January, look no further than Oscar. 

Having said that, we didn't draft Steven May for nothing.

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The number of one percenters tells us little about their quality.  As I understand it, one percenters officially include knock-ons, spoils, smothers, and shepherds although coaches also use a number of other measures when they speak of one percenters.  Only knock-ons specifically have a team advantage requirement built in to their definition. 

According to the stats I can find Oscar chalked up 4 one percenters v Adelaide (I presume mostly/all spoils however no data I found had the individual one percenter stats listed).  Spoils can be a dangerous thing.

He also had 4 clangers (gives possession directly to the opposition), 9 kicks and 2 handballs (63.63% DE by my math but afl.com.au have him at 72.7%), 8 uncontested possessions with 3 contested, 3 marks, 2 frees against (0 for) and 3 tackles  @ 95% time on ground.

For what it's worth his afl fantasy and supercoach scores were 46 and 38 (84 total).  Only Spargo and Hannan totalled lower (83, 75) however adjusting their scores up to Oscars time on ground puts Spargo at 114 and Hannan at 86.

Oscar needs to adapt, and quickly, because I think Goodwin rates resilience as highly as 'hardness'.

 

 

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Do you count a 1% when you stuff up and then try to recover the ball, by knocking it to a team mate? Cause he is valuable then. 

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In your rage about his efforts on Saturday night, many of you forget how good he was in the first couple of rounds last year when lever was around. 

i'd argue that during that time he was in career best form and was a really good one on one defender. as soon as lever wen't down, omac's form dwindled a bit for the rest of the year.

if he keeps underperforming then sure we could have a look at it, but getting rid of Oscar is not a smart move imo.  

 

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53 minutes ago, Tom Dyson said:

In your rage about his efforts on Saturday night, many of you forget how good he was in the first couple of rounds last year when lever was around. 

i'd argue that during that time he was in career best form and was a really good one on one defender. as soon as lever wen't down, omac's form dwindled a bit for the rest of the year.

if he keeps underperforming then sure we could have a look at it, but getting rid of Oscar is not a smart move imo.  

 

Tom it might be time for a name change, Praydon Bruess perhaps?

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7 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Tom it might be time for a name change, Praydon Bruess perhaps?

Neither are playing for the dees and both struggled to make the senors at the roos so it would be an appropriate name.

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18 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Oscar is another example of WTF has happened to us this year. 

I watched Oscar closely in a couple of games last year ( and he played some bloody good footy). I remember posting on Dland how well he played and looking forward to development into a gun defender.

This year he has reverted to [censored]. Tom has looked ordinary and seems to be carrying an injury. Brayshaw is a shadow. Weid has gone backwards. Ollie has been inconsistent …… etc etc  etc.

It is more than Oscar. We have been a rabble.

FFS! What has happened?? 

Ok I'll take a stab at it 

1 Players got too far ahead of themselves

2 We have too many serviceable type players but no out an out superstars that can turn a game

3  If what has been reported regarding the Coach apparently refusing to watch the Preliminary final capitulation and if this IS TRUE???  any remediation and fine tuning from strategic coach planning with a view of remediating faults just didn't occur. Result.?? Every other coach has just worked out how to beat the demons from the West Coast blueprint!

Also, you cannot use injuries as an excuse as Richmond and others have proved time after time!

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21 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Ok I'll take a stab at it 

1 Players got too far ahead of themselves

2 We have too many serviceable type players but no out an out superstars that can turn a game

3  If what has been reported regarding the Coach apparently refusing to watch the Preliminary final capitulation and if this IS TRUE???  any remediation and fine tuning from strategic coach planning with a view of remediating faults just didn't occur. Result.?? Every other coach has just worked out how to beat the demons from the West Coast blueprint!

Also, you cannot use injuries as an excuse as Richmond and others have proved time after time!

What a load of rubbish.

The issue is 100% a result of the impact of having interrupted preseasons and the flow on effect on fitness, confidence, 'connection' and even skills (hard to practice skills when you can only run laps with the rehab group - or for that matter work on connection and systems). 

I just can't understand why people don't get this.

All of the players Bitters mentions in his post - Oliver, Tmac, Omac, Weid and Brayshaw -  had interrupted preseasons. Oliver, TMac, Omac and i think Weed all had post season surgery. All are clearly not up to full fitness and all look hampered by injury as well.  Tmac is the best example. Something is obviously up. He can't kick 40 metres or pick the ball off the ground for Pete's sake. 

And again whilst Richmond have had some injuries (which by the by are starting to bite) they had a strong off season with few players having had surgery and not many in rehab. They got the miles in their legs.

And besides they have not been hit anywhere near as hard us in terms of injury. Not even close. We have gone past the tipping point where a system can help mitigate against impact of injury. 

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So our poor season is just down to injuries then??

Injuries are but ONE factor. I have alluded to others which MAY also be considered.

Just my opinion

I'll leave it at that!

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17 hours ago, picket fence said:

Ok I'll take a stab at it 

1 Players got too far ahead of themselves

2 We have too many serviceable type players but no out an out superstars that can turn a game

3  If what has been reported regarding the Coach apparently refusing to watch the Preliminary final capitulation and if this IS TRUE???  any remediation and fine tuning from strategic coach planning with a view of remediating faults just didn't occur. Result.?? Every other coach has just worked out how to beat the demons from the West Coast blueprint!

Also, you cannot use injuries as an excuse as Richmond and others have proved time after time!

4) Complete lack of onfield leadership

It is a major weakness of this team and must be addressed during the remainder of this season and next preseason

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46 minutes ago, Kent said:

4) Complete lack of onfield leadership

It is a major weakness of this team and must be addressed during the remainder of this season and next preseason

Not so much a stab at you @Kent - just a general observation.

It often feels on these forums and perpetuated in the media that good leadership is defined solely by the outcome of winning. 

You had good leadership if you win (so we had good leadership against the suns, but no one mentions it then) and if you lose it’s down to poor leadership.

This notion of course is bollocks... leadership and the mechanics of it is an iterative process about providing instruction and a space to perform under pressure for all your ‘followers’. Over many many years.

Personally, this binary view of leadership gets my knickers in a twist severely

You can lead really well, perform really poorly yourself as a leader yet give great instruction and effort and still have injuries/significant players out/under done and you’re judged as a poor leader 

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On 6/4/2019 at 2:22 PM, ManDee said:

Tom it might be time for a name change, Praydon Bruess perhaps?

love the sound of it, thanks for the suggestion :)

thoughts on Gax Mawn?

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14 minutes ago, Tom Dyson said:

love the sound of it, thanks for the suggestion :)

thoughts on Gax Mawn?

Axn Mawg.?   Wax Magn.?   Mag Nawx.?

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Seriously, we're in 2019 and a poster is bringing up 1%ers as a way of showing what Oscar is good at.. This place is a clownhouse at the best of times.

@binman you must be pulling your hair out. How are those O-Mac myths going?

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We dropped Omar after Jenkins got 2 goals on him.

Jenkins has Phil Davis, in my opinion one of the 2 or 3 best tall defenders in the AFL on him tonight.

So far Jenkins has 3 goals in 2 1/2  quarters.

Should Davis be dropped?  Or is Jenkins an ok player?

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13 minutes ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

We dropped Omar after Jenkins got 2 goals on him.

Jenkins has Phil Davis, in my opinion one of the 2 or 3 best tall defenders in the AFL on him tonight.

So far Jenkins has 3 goals in 2 1/2  quarters.

Should Davis be dropped?  Or is Jenkins an ok player?

Umm you do realise he was officially dropped? As in his lines coaches and Simon Goodwin deemed his performance as unacceptable have dropped him after his insipid performance last week.

Are you saying they got this wrong?

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3 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Seriously, we're in 2019 and a poster is bringing up 1%ers as a way of showing what Oscar is good at.. This place is a clownhouse at the best of times.

@binman you must be pulling your hair out. How are those O-Mac myths going?

Pulling my hair out is  right.

On one thread we laud a young KP  player who is sruggling to find his best form for re signing and for the courage to share the impact of criticism on the net.

And we have this thread, created purely to tell a young kp player it 'is time to go' and provide a forum for a bunch of anonymous people to pile on and express how [censored] poor they think he is.

So yes pulling my hair out because it reminds me he how some still think it is ok to personally attack players behind the cover of a silly avatar and made up name. Despite repeatedly being told by  courageous young men like weed of the damage it  does. 

In this context i found this from the weed article powerful and timely and i reckon that some posters on DL might consider thinking about them next time they think about ripping into a player:

“I have a lot of respect for our supporters and I do value what they say about me, so to hear and see a few words that didn’t really fall my way and were quite hurtful, it was challenging.

“I know that comes with footy and I’ve got to cop it, but I think it was probably best for me to stay away from that.”

While supporters ride the highs and lows of footy with their heroes, they can at times let their emotions get the better of them and be oblivious to the impact of their words.

“I think there’s a lot of passion coming out in their comments and I don’t think they understand the power it can have on the players and how much effect it can have,” Weideman said.

 

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2 hours ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

We dropped Omar after Jenkins got 2 goals on him.

Jenkins has Phil Davis, in my opinion one of the 2 or 3 best tall defenders in the AFL on him tonight.

So far Jenkins has 3 goals in 2 1/2  quarters.

Should Davis be dropped?  Or is Jenkins an ok player?

It's not just the goals.  Phil Davis also had 8 marks and manages to occasionally rebound out of defence.  He can also manage to impact the play when the ball is on the deck and he doesn't go to ground.  Don't ever mention him in the same sentence as Omac ever again because he's 10 X the player Omac will EVER be.  

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10 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Umm you do realise he was officially dropped? As in his lines coaches and Simon Goodwin deemed his performance as unacceptable have dropped him after his insipid performance last week.

Are you saying they got this wrong?

You seriously think that's what the FD thought and said to him? You're a harsh critic sometimes Dazzle.

Maybe they just replaced him with another player that is deemed better. After all, they have both May and Lever to choose from this week.

More likely, I'd say Goodwin took him aside and suggested he go back to Casey, work on his game and confidence and push for re-selection over the next month.

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Is Oscar under contract for 2020?

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Just now, Petraccattack said:

Is Oscar under contract for 2020?

Yep last year of his contract. 

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11 hours ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

We dropped Omar after Jenkins got 2 goals on him.

Jenkins has Phil Davis, in my opinion one of the 2 or 3 best tall defenders in the AFL on him tonight.

So far Jenkins has 3 goals in 2 1/2  quarters.

Should Davis be dropped?  Or is Jenkins an ok player?

We play teams/players into form. It’s one of my hates about this club. If a player has been down for a string of games you betcha he will come out and kick a bag against the dees.

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11 hours ago, binman said:

Pulling my hair out is  right.

On one thread we laud a young KP  player who is sruggling to find his best form for re signing and for the courage to share the impact of criticism on the net.

And we have this thread, created purely to tell a young kp player it 'is time to go' and provide a forum for a bunch of anonymous people to pile on and express how [censored] poor they think he is.

So yes pulling my hair out because it reminds me he how some still think it is ok to personally attack players behind the cover of a silly avatar and made up name. Despite repeatedly being told by  courageous young men like weed of the damage it  does. 

In this context i found this from the weed article powerful and timely and i reckon that some posters on DL might consider thinking about them next time they think about ripping into a player:

“I have a lot of respect for our supporters and I do value what they say about me, so to hear and see a few words that didn’t really fall my way and were quite hurtful, it was challenging.

“I know that comes with footy and I’ve got to cop it, but I think it was probably best for me to stay away from that.”

While supporters ride the highs and lows of footy with their heroes, they can at times let their emotions get the better of them and be oblivious to the impact of their words.

“I think there’s a lot of passion coming out in their comments and I don’t think they understand the power it can have on the players and how much effect it can have,” Weideman said.

 

Well said, Binman, I agree 100%. I can't get over the armchair critics on this site. Many of their comments border on hysteria, especially during game time when their only focus is catastrophe and blame. And, as you say, they have absolutely no respect for the simple fact the young men they criticize are simply athletes paid to do the best they can. Their world view can only embrace so-called 'winners'.

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On 6/4/2019 at 3:21 PM, binman said:

What a load of rubbish.

The issue is 100% a result of the impact of having interrupted preseasons and the flow on effect on fitness, confidence, 'connection' and even skills (hard to practice skills when you can only run laps with the rehab group - or for that matter work on connection and systems). 

I just can't understand why people don't get this.

All of the players Bitters mentions in his post - Oliver, Tmac, Omac, Weid and Brayshaw -  had interrupted preseasons. Oliver, TMac, Omac and i think Weed all had post season surgery. All are clearly not up to full fitness and all look hampered by injury as well.  Tmac is the best example. Something is obviously up. He can't kick 40 metres or pick the ball off the ground for Pete's sake. 

And again whilst Richmond have had some injuries (which by the by are starting to bite) they had a strong off season with few players having had surgery and not many in rehab. They got the miles in their legs.

And besides they have not been hit anywhere near as hard us in terms of injury. Not even close. We have gone past the tipping point where a system can help mitigate against impact of injury. 

I largely agree with this, but it doesn't explain the dumb football (the constant bombing into the forward line, time after time after time after time, after time, the lack of dimension to our game plan, in that we didn't have a plan B in any of our games, if you ever accepted we ever had a plan A). Our football IQ dropped big time over the break and nobody has explained why. 

That said, the return of some of our more important players will have a huge impact, as will a better preseason for 2020.

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