1 hour ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

we won't draft him unless he actually wants to come to us

there's no point having an employee who doesn't want to be there

If course he will buy in. 

I feel like we’d need to outbid Carlton in order to sway him to be a Demon and given the reported $600-750k Carlton are offering, I’m not too sure how smart that is.

just remember guys that next years free agent class is STUDDED. Daniher, Jeremy Cameron, Whitefield, Zac Williams, Grundy and Robbie Gray off the top of my head 

An alternative is to pick him anyway and have him sign a 1 year deal in hopes we can convince him to stay after that time. For those who follow NBA, could be a Paul George/OKC scenario (yes I know how that has turned out)

10 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

have him sign a 1 year deal

I believe that, if we do draft him (most likely in PSD),  it must be a minimum two year contract under AFL rules.

11 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

An alternative is to pick him anyway and have him sign a 1 year deal in hopes we can convince him to stay after that time. For those who follow NBA, could be a Paul George/OKC scenario (yes I know how that has turned out)

A one year deal would take Martin to him being a RFA, if we did take him for one year then Carlton offered him what they’re offering him now (or similar) we could get near an end of first round compensation pick. 

Can't take him on a one-year contract Ethan.

20 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

A one year deal would take Martin to him being a RFA, if we did take him for one year then Carlton offered him what they’re offering him now (or similar) we could get near an end of first round compensation pick. 

He wouldn't be a FA if he came to us.

I don't think he's the right player for us. I certainly wouldn't pay above average AFL wage for his services.

Hands down we need to take this kid, he has the X factor we have lacked for years.

We already have the money available, let’s do it. Let’s not be pussys and take a risk.

Edited October 19, 20195 yr by olisik

9 minutes ago, olisik said:

Hands down we need to take this kid, he has the X factor we have lacked for years.

We already have the money available, let’s do it. Let’s not be pussys and take a risk.

It’s funny how people see players differently, IMO he has no x-factor whatsoever. 

Edited October 19, 20195 yr by Ethan Tremblay

20 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Oh &%*K. Now we definitely shouldn't get him. 

I think i'd rather see Gold Coast take him and beat Carlton after a lengthy 'restraint of trade' arbitration process. Gil makes up rules on the fly, surely he can engineer them holding onto JM until he nets them RFA compo.

Aren't we going to pick up Sam Murray in the PSD anyhow?

Edited October 19, 20195 yr by John Demonic

8 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

It’s funny how people see players differently, IMO he has no x-factor whatsoever. 

I have seen nothing of him that remotely screams X factor.

3 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

we won't draft him unless he actually wants to come to us

there's no point having an employee who doesn't want to be there

Heaps of players have been tremendous at clubs they didn't want to be at initially.  

I've got no interest in blowing any remaining cap space to sign this guy, but can't believe we'd go in the paper saying "we'll pick him if he wants to play for us". How about saying "we're keeping our options open and reserve our right to draft him if he's there at our pick" in the hope that he either comes around (preferably at a reasonable price) or it hopefully poisons the well by either influencing what the Blues do in the draft or even better convincing them to offer him more money that he's not worth.

12 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Aren't we going to pick up Sam Murray in the PSD anyhow?

If we take Murray, it would most likely be as a Delisted Free Agent, which doesn't require any form of draft pick.

I'm hoping we have zero interest in him but want Carlscum to pay waaaaaaaaay overs for a so so player

8 hours ago, Left Field said:

Contrast JM to Billy Stretch using Footywire. Why on earth would we pay this guy $600k+ per season?

Player Statistics Comparison

Jack Martin Name Billy Stretch Gold Coast Suns Team Melbourne Demons Midfield, Forward Position Midfield 97 Career Games 47 Geraldton Origin Glenelg January 29, 1995 Date of Birth September 8, 1996 24yr 8mth Age 23yr 1mth 186cm Height 180cm 82kg Weight 77kg 2012 Mini Draft Last Drafted In 2014 National Draft Round 1, Pick #1 Last Draft Position Round 3, Pick #42 Gold Coast Suns Last Drafted By Melbourne Demons Career Stats for Season Career 97 Games 47 10.1 Kicks 7.6 6.2 Handballs 8.7 16.4 Disposals 16.3 5.0 Marks 3.1 0.8 Goals 0.2 0.5 Behinds 0.3 3.7 Tackles 3.4 0.1 Hitouts 0 2.0 Inside 50s 1.9 0.4 Goal Assists 0.2 1.0 Frees For 0.5 1.2 Frees Against 0.4 6.8 Contested Possessions 5.5 9.7 Uncontested Possessions 11.1 11.6 Effective Disposals 12.9 70.7% Disposal Efficiency % 79.1% 2.9 Clangers 1.3 0.7 Contested Marks 0.1 0.8 Marks Inside 50 0.3 1.7 Clearances 1.4 1.3 Rebound 50s 1.0 1.2 One Percenters 0.9 0.4 Bounces 0.3 78.9 Time On Ground % 76.6   Centre Clearances 0.1   Stoppage Clearances 1.2   Score Involvements 3.4   Metres Gained 191.7   Turnovers 2.0   Intercepts 2.4   Tackles Inside 50 0.6

Just my opinion . . . but this is an erroneous compassion. Check how JKH stacks up again Daniel Rioli at the same age? And who would you prefer running around at Melbourne?

7 minutes ago, Supermercado said:

I've got no interest in blowing any remaining cap space to sign this guy, but can't believe we'd go in the paper saying "we'll pick him if he wants to play for us". How about saying "we're keeping our options open and reserve our right to draft him if he's there at our pick" in the hope that he either comes around (preferably at a reasonable price) or it hopefully poisons the well by either influencing what the Blues do in the draft or even better convincing them to offer him more money that he's not worth.

no direct quotes @Supermercado

simply 'informed' opinions

He's what we need, would be thrilled if he chose Melbourne to take the next step - however quite injury prone so a little wary of the price-tag.  Funnily enough his recent GC highlights package shows him mostly kicking goals against Melbourne and Carlton. 

Harley Bennell would be a hell of a lot cheaper and if he can get back to his best, and that’s a big if but at his best he is twice as good as Martin 

1 hour ago, brendan said:

Harley Bennell would be a hell of a lot cheaper and if he can get back to his best, and that’s a big if but at his best he is twice as good as Martin 

If he can get his body right (work your magic Burgess), he walks all over Martin. A lot hungrier and more desperate to perform as well (seems to be).

36 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

If he can get his body right (work your magic Burgess), he walks all over Martin. A lot hungrier and more desperate to perform as well (seems to be).

Historically, Bennell's hunger is apparently for another form of performance altogether.

Not apples with apples DD.

2 hours ago, brendan said:

Harley Bennell would be a hell of a lot cheaper and if he can get back to his best, and that’s a big if but at his best he is twice as good as Martin 

Ideally I'd like us to go after both of them. 

now if we can land martin, bennell and murray that would be a pretty good outcome.