43 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Careful.

You're not allowed to bag Pert around here.

They'll all tell you it's a complete coincidence and a freak occurrence that we're 3-7 with almost the worst percentage in the league and 90% of the list going backwards., in the time he's come on board.

Of course it is, BBP. Absolute coincidence and that is what is so fascinating. Don't you think? No-one can accuse our beloved Gary at this crisis point. 

Players coming back from off season surgery moving from preseason mode to inseason matchplay mode before they'd attained required fitness base an issue. Tommy Mac a prime example. Had surgery on both ankles yet was back playing in JLT1 where it was obvious that he was well below his previous fitness levels. He should  have stayed in preseason mode putting miles in the legs till he got close to his previous fitness levels.  Jack Viney another. Coming off 2 seasons ruined by foot injury he played one Casey praccy match and then straight in for round 1 where his lack of conditioning and match  fitness was obvious.

What did Petracca have that limited his pre-season? I dont recall him being out for extended time or in for surgery? 

One thing I do know, that is that when we finally find out what is going on with injuries and their mis-handling, it will start with the preamble from the coach or Pert that:  "we all know that... blah blah blah", as if we have known for some time what the F is going on. This is aimed at limiting reaction and gives me the tom [censored].

1 hour ago, binman said:

This.

In the Wagner's, Lockhardt, Spargo, possibly Stretch, and possibly Smith we have five players who are good VFL players who would not be in the team if we had even a third of our injury list available.

Add players like Lewis, Petty (who may not be ready) and Garlett who would not be selected due to form if others were available and that is closing on half a starting 22 who should  be playing VFL.

That is a bridge too far, pure and simple.

I just find it ridiculous that so many that people, including people paid to comment on football, don't understand this is the reason we are not winning games of AFL football.

One reason is so many footy media people are ex players and the culture of not blaming injury for poor performance is hard wired in of the DNA of football clubs and footy culture more broadly. Stoopid is as Stoopid does. 

 

Has always amused me how, in AFL world you can't give the perfectly reasonable explanation of a massive injury list for poor form. You're just making excuses

36 minutes ago, Damo said:

What did Petracca have that limited his pre-season? I dont recall him being out for extended time or in for surgery? 

One thing I do know, that is that when we finally find out what is going on with injuries and their mis-handling, it will start with the preamble from the coach or Pert that:  "we all know that... blah blah blah", as if we have known for some time what the F is going on. This is aimed at limiting reaction and gives me the tom [censored].

He had a knee operation after last season

1 hour ago, Damo said:

What did Petracca have that limited his pre-season? I dont recall him being out for extended time or in for surgery? 

One thing I do know, that is that when we finally find out what is going on with injuries and their mis-handling, it will start with the preamble from the coach or Pert that:  "we all know that... blah blah blah", as if we have known for some time what the F is going on. This is aimed at limiting reaction and gives me the tom [censored].

I am amused that you used some rhyming slang for the last two words of your post to avoid using a known swear word only to have the auto-censor decide that the cleaned-up version doesn't meet its definition of an appropriate community standard anyway.

4 hours ago, Damo said:

Im flummoxed that journos who can find the most insignificant molehills to explore, havent drilled into this yet.

Because there's nothing to drill into. "Injuries take the time they take to heal" isn't exactly major clickbait.

10 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I am amused that you used some rhyming slang for the last two words of your post to avoid using a known swear word only to have the auto-censor decide that the cleaned-up version doesn't meet its definition of an appropriate community standard anyway.

Interesting thing " appropriate community standard" LDC.

Really depends on what community you happen to be in to a large extent.

I am not big on censorship, the biggest problem is it usually depends on the sensor and we all know that can mean varying levels   however I am happy with the general  level on Demonland.

2 hours ago, demoniac said:

Players coming back from off season surgery moving from preseason mode to inseason matchplay mode before they'd attained required fitness base an issue. Tommy Mac a prime example. Had surgery on both ankles yet was back playing in JLT1 where it was obvious that he was well below his previous fitness levels. He should  have stayed in preseason mode putting miles in the legs till he got close to his previous fitness levels.  Jack Viney another. Coming off 2 seasons ruined by foot injury he played one Casey praccy match and then straight in for round 1 where his lack of conditioning and match  fitness was obvious.

Pretty sure Tom McDonald had the ankles done a couple of years ago and did a solid preseason this year up until developing some knee tendinitis late in preseason.

It sounds like McDonald as well as May and Joel Smith have actually been victim of training too hard.

Oliver, Hunt and Harmes all had shoulder surgeries and were ready to go. As were Jetta and Vanders who's injuries weren't related to their shoulder ops or rehab time as far as I can tell.

Petracca recovered well enough from a knee procedure, as did Marty Hore from an ankle.

Viney and Jones probably shouldn't have played round 1. More faith should've been shown in fringe guys like Stretch who were ready to go. They decided an underdone Viney was more valuable than a fit Stretch. Given Viney got through without injury I can't argue it was the wrong fitness decision, just a bad football one.

 

3 hours ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

Except for last year when we had one of the shortest injury lists all season.

With the same medical/physio team in place.

2 hours ago, Baghdad Bob said:

The majority of our ills go back to the fact that around 13 of the players that played in the Prelim had post season surgery. 

Thus giving us a clear run at a strong pre-season come November to set us up for a serious tilt at 2020.

43 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I am amused that you used some rhyming slang for the last two words of your post to avoid using a known swear word only to have the auto-censor decide that the cleaned-up version doesn't meet its definition of an appropriate community standard anyway.

My thoughts exactly LDC.

Well no, but a very lucid explanation of the unintended consequence of my post. Extremely well written.

For fact rather than conjecture click here: https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2019-05-29/lever-wont-be-risked-this-week

 

8 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Vanders

2015 - 14 G

2016 - 14 G

2017 - 0 G

2018 - 7 G

2019 - ????

Cheers DZ - frustrating numbers.

 

4 hours ago, Demonland said:

Look away Dees fans. 

Son of a Hore!!

hopefully he just lost a fight with a roll of cling film

4 hours ago, loges said:

Has always amused me how, in AFL world you can't give the perfectly reasonable explanation of a massive injury list for poor form. You're just making excuses

It's weird and my feeling is it a footy thing. Maybe rugby too?

Certainly not the case in cricket. As an example once Smith and Warner went out expectations went through the floor.

My sense is it doesn't happen in NFL or NBA though stand to be corrected as I don't follow either closely. Not sure about top level soccer.

I wonder if it is partly stems from how many players play the game. Most team sports are dependent on key players to score (e.g. striker, quarter back, point guard). Footy is higher scoring, with a bigger spread of scorers and with 22 players each player is not as influential as sports with half that or less on the pitch, court etc

Edited May 29, 20196 yr by binman

1 hour ago, Monocology said:

Cheers DZ - frustrating numbers.

 

Poor  Vanders ....tough run with injuries. 

Would love to have him and a few other hardnuts like him so they can go into bat for Max when he was flat on his back. 

It's official 

 

We've been very hard done by from injuries

8 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Of course it is, BBP. Absolute coincidence and that is what is so fascinating. Don't you think? No-one can accuse our beloved Gary at this crisis point. 

I blame Pert for us not getting the Old Olympic swimming centre as our baby.

His pertinence,  is just a bridge too far,  for me.

 

He's to blame,  for us not having a Home Base...  and he's been sent to us,  as his Penance.

4 hours ago, binman said:

It's weird and my feeling is it a footy thing. Maybe rugby too?

Certainly not the case in cricket. As an example once Smith and Warner went out expectations went through the floor.

My sense is it doesn't happen in NFL or NBA though stand to be corrected as I don't follow either closely. Not sure about top level soccer.

I wonder if it is partly stems from how many players play the game. Most team sports are dependent on key players to score (e.g. striker, quarter back, point guard). Footy is higher scoring, with a bigger spread of scorers and with 22 players each player is not as influential as sports with half that or less on the pitch, court etc

That's an intense argument,  'BM'r.

Dees top injury list ladder. Last round was the injury list grand final between us and GWS. 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-afl-injury-ladder-just-how-healthy-is-your-team-20190527-p51rpl.html

Edited May 29, 20196 yr by america de cali

Really does offer some insight into what's happened this year. While other teams have been hit with injuries, and the Tigers, Collingwood etc. are mentioned as covering their injuries fairly well, we are not only missing best 22 but also those fringe 22 guys who would replace them. The thought that you need at least 30 good AFL players on a list is right, but they need to be ready to play, we've had 6/7 at VFL level for a while and really some of those are 1st year players who shouldn't in normal circumstances get close to a game.

 

1 hour ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Really does offer some insight into what's happened this year. While other teams have been hit with injuries, and the Tigers, Collingwood etc. are mentioned as covering their injuries fairly well, we are not only missing best 22 but also those fringe 22 guys who would replace them. The thought that you need at least 30 good AFL players on a list is right, but they need to be ready to play, we've had 6/7 at VFL level for a while and really some of those are 1st year players who shouldn't in normal circumstances get close to a game.

 

Don't post that on demonland, most of them will reckon your'e just making excuses.

Why does Lever look like he just got out of a prisoner of war camp? Puny, pale, unwell-looking. His arms and legs look wasted. Why hasn’t he been in the gym building up his physique in the 12 months he’s been injured/in rehab?

 

Add Lever and Sparrow to the injury list - neither named at either level this week