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Retire/Delist/Trade:

Lewis, Maynard, JKH, Keilty, J Wagner, Brayshaw.

Newnes is a FA, I see him as an upgrade on Maynard and JKH. Go hard at Coniglio, however I believe GWS set themselves up last trade period to match/beat offers from rival clubs. 

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If the club was responsible in any way for Joel Smith missing the year, then he should get another year. He was looking quite promising as a forward over the preseason, so, while his injury proneness is a worry, I'd be happy for him to have another year.

If we cant get a ready to go small forward for next year, then I'm happy for Garlett to be on the rookie list for 2020. Also happy for him to go if we trade in a decent FAST small forward. Chandler and Bedford aren't ready.

Re-sign Frost and Baker. Upgrade Lockhart and keep going with Bradtke and maybe Chandler.

I don't mind Stretch as depth, maybe one or two others.

Not fussed about the rest.

Lewis retire.

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is it just me or do we have way too many hbf and bp

hibbo, salem, lewis, jetta, stretch, j wagner, Jordon, lever, petty, kk, hore, nietchke, fritz and now jones 

melk, maynard, hunt, baker and j smith also have played there and I would also say omac is more a hbf than a fb

that is a starting 18 with 2 on the bench, side full of HALF BACK FLANKERS 

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looking at that list i'd say its the end of the line for maynard, lewis, JKH, kielty, jagner, garlett, cagner

one year deals for jones, walker, chandler, stretch, brandtke, tsmith

and two years for frost, baker, dunkley, lockhart, jsmith

 

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I think that Goodwin likes Maynard because of his toughness.

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2 hours ago, Thehardtackler said:

I think that Goodwin likes Maynard because of his toughness.

Pity he will be delisted at the end of the year

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On 6/7/2019 at 6:14 PM, Lucifer's Hero said:

Delighted to update this for Weideman's 2 year contract extension until 2021!

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Oskar Baker next!!

Assuming we finish 16th we have picks 3, 21, 39, 57, 75, 93. We may only want to use 4-5 of those but still have 11 out of contract, so need to re-sign or upgrade 6-7 players. 

Pretty much certain to be retained (assuming they agree to stay): Frost, Baker, ANB, J Smith.

Seniors who could retire: Jones, Lewis.

2nd tier players who may be re-signed: JKH.

T Smith and Lockhart are worthy of upgrades.

That means it seems likely that the following will be moved on: Maynard, Stretch, Wagner, plus one or both of Lewis/ Jones. 

I think Keilty needs to be upgraded if he is to stay on the list, so may be gone too. 

 

There aren't many out of contract next year who we would want to delist, with Bedford, Jordan and Nietschke the only who aren't best 25 or close and young (Hore, Sparrow, Spargo), but even they are all only 20. So we may see a couple of players given an extra year so we have outlasting to delist next year too.

 

 

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Always a tricky time of the year for players and coaches alike and some changes have to be made because of current club status.

Out

Lewis - The most important signing of year in my opinion - as a key assistant. Clearly a coach in waiting and will be in huge demand as assistant at several clubs. Whether Goody can keep him as assistant probably depends on money offered and how highly Jordy regards Goody. If Jordy goes to another club for broader experience, then we must bring in a well-respected recent player as an assistant. Our current team of back-ups is getting a little long in the tooth.

Garlett - Served us well during a tricky revival time under Roos when we weren't a popular destination and we needed pace even more so than now. A very good pick up from Carlton for virtually nothing.

Maynard - Made the switch from b'ball a little too late and perhaps doesn't have quite enough pace. He's a very clever accumulator, but he's now 28. He had the honour of starting 2018 on Ablett, so he will take with him plenty of good pub stories.  Hope he decides to play for Casey next season because he's very reliable.

Keilty (rookie) - Declan has given it his best shot for three years now and I was rapt when he got a couple of games this season. He now goes into the trivia books as an AFL player with a 100 per cent winning record - which this year is saying something.

Nervous wait

Billy Stretch - I have always rated Billy higher than the coach and was won over on him three years ago when he emerged from a tackling drill at training with some good scalps including Jack Viney. He reads the play well and makes good position and I reckon he should have got more than one week on trial as a backman, because ultimately he's a tad small for current-day midfielders and a tiny bit too slow for the wing spot, but he's disciplined enough for defence and he kicks to position well. He's regarded as having a high work-ethic at training, so I hope we retain him for another year, but I suspect  we will move him on. Adelaide, with a new era on way, would be crazy not to take him with a late rounder or rookie him if he's delisted.

JKH - It's hard not to look at the Tigers game as his last chance to show why he should be retained. Personally I thought he really kicked on late last season and was shocked that after being rushed back in with Hannan for the Darwin game, because of a shortage of fit numbers, he was dropped after just one go at it. Yes he turns the ball over, but he runs and runs and runs like Sauce, so it's a big call. He's 24 so it may be that the match committee has given up waiting. His freakish goal in our upset win over in Adelaide five years ago remains one of my all-time Dee highlights.

Tim Smith - As with Declan, a really worthy pick-up as a rookie, but at 28 and with a coach who keeps wanting to play him as his back-up ruckman, then you have to wonder how he survives. He's too courageous for his own good so injuries keep happening and you wonder what would have happened if he had got that free kick against West Coast that he deserved. He may get another year but I suspect we need to take a few risks with late-order draft picks again.

Joel Smith - I've been on record for a long time saying he's a star in the making and he's still only 23, so you don't delist someone who can make a big difference. My concern now is that he looked so good as a forward pre-season that Goody will want him to play there. To me his groin issue (OP) means he has to go back and play defence, as there's not so much twisting required down back as there is up forward, where the problems arose.  We also have to convince him, or more importantly his dad, to re-sign. That may be harder than many think. 

Kade Chandler - Some of you may be surprised to see his name listed here given he's only had the one year and he's still only 19. And if you've seen him, he's a nice little left-footer who reminds me of Jack Lonie from the Saints. But at 173cm, he is part of a bigger problem that has been brought on by Tubby Taylor's recruiting. He is one of 15 players under six feet on our list - that's way too many (see my mid-season review for more detail). Ordinarily the club would give him another year, but we do need a sub-182cm cull and he may fall victim to it.  

Josh and Corey Wagner - I have included them both as a package because to me it's either both in or both out. My view is that the brothers are tremendous hard-workers who make a huge difference at VFL level. If Josh had line-breaking skills then he'd be an AFL regular, while Corey is a tad slow for the wing, but Goody doesn't want to give him a shot in the middle, except at VFL level, where he is a star. I hope we retain both of them for another year. And if we don't then I'd try and keep them both as Casey co-captains for next year.

ANB - As with Billy, an ideal clubman and the fittest player at the club so it's a huge call to move him on. All of us have bemoaned his occasional butchering of opportunities and this year it's been an extra tough gig as a small forward in our side. But what if we move him on and the AFL reduces interchange back to 30. How stupid would we look? 

Kade Kolodjashnij and Aaron vandenBurg - obviously the club won't be pushing either of these two guys out, but if medical reports on them between now and October don't bode well, then early retirement is possible.  

Guy Walker - An impressive looking pony-tailed hard worker before Christmas, but his season-long injury on top of being 24 already makes it hard to retain him. He's a Category B, so if we don't have a fresh name to replace him in that category, then I'm happy for him to have another go. But he's no Dayne Zorko in waiting.

Oscar Mc - None of you will be surprised to see his name listed here. But he's contracted so it won't happen unless he is fed up with everyone's constant criticism. The thing that I find even more perplexing than his selection is that he is still yet to be tried as a forward - the position he often played his junior football. Given what a find T-Mac was as a forward in 2018, it's incomprehensible to understand why he hasn't lined up there on occasions or even in the back-up ruck role, given he shares his brother's tank and has extra height than him.  

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On 7/2/2019 at 12:42 PM, Ethan Tremblay said:

Retire/Delist/Trade:

Lewis, Maynard, JKH, Keilty, J Wagner, Brayshaw.

Newnes is a FA, I see him as an upgrade on Maynard and JKH. Go hard at Coniglio, however I believe GWS set themselves up last trade period to match/beat offers from rival clubs. 

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17 hours ago, Deespicable said:

Always a tricky time of the year for players and coaches alike and some changes have to be made because of current club status.

Out

Lewis - The most important signing of year in my opinion - as a key assistant. Clearly a coach in waiting and will be in huge demand as assistant at several clubs. Whether Goody can keep him as assistant probably depends on money offered and how highly Jordy regards Goody. If Jordy goes to another club for broader experience, then we must bring in a well-respected recent player as an assistant. Our current team of back-ups is getting a little long in the tooth.

Garlett - Served us well during a tricky revival time under Roos when we weren't a popular destination and we needed pace even more so than now. A very good pick up from Carlton for virtually nothing.

Maynard - Made the switch from b'ball a little too late and perhaps doesn't have quite enough pace. He's a very clever accumulator, but he's now 28. He had the honour of starting 2018 on Ablett, so he will take with him plenty of good pub stories.  Hope he decides to play for Casey next season because he's very reliable.

Keilty (rookie) - Declan has given it his best shot for three years now and I was rapt when he got a couple of games this season. He now goes into the trivia books as an AFL player with a 100 per cent winning record - which this year is saying something.

Nervous wait

Billy Stretch - I have always rated Billy higher than the coach and was won over on him three years ago when he emerged from a tackling drill at training with some good scalps including Jack Viney. He reads the play well and makes good position and I reckon he should have got more than one week on trial as a backman, because ultimately he's a tad small for current-day midfielders and a tiny bit too slow for the wing spot, but he's disciplined enough for defence and he kicks to position well. He's regarded as having a high work-ethic at training, so I hope we retain him for another year, but I suspect  we will move him on. Adelaide, with a new era on way, would be crazy not to take him with a late rounder or rookie him if he's delisted.

JKH - It's hard not to look at the Tigers game as his last chance to show why he should be retained. Personally I thought he really kicked on late last season and was shocked that after being rushed back in with Hannan for the Darwin game, because of a shortage of fit numbers, he was dropped after just one go at it. Yes he turns the ball over, but he runs and runs and runs like Sauce, so it's a big call. He's 24 so it may be that the match committee has given up waiting. His freakish goal in our upset win over in Adelaide five years ago remains one of my all-time Dee highlights.

Tim Smith - As with Declan, a really worthy pick-up as a rookie, but at 28 and with a coach who keeps wanting to play him as his back-up ruckman, then you have to wonder how he survives. He's too courageous for his own good so injuries keep happening and you wonder what would have happened if he had got that free kick against West Coast that he deserved. He may get another year but I suspect we need to take a few risks with late-order draft picks again.

Joel Smith - I've been on record for a long time saying he's a star in the making and he's still only 23, so you don't delist someone who can make a big difference. My concern now is that he looked so good as a forward pre-season that Goody will want him to play there. To me his groin issue (OP) means he has to go back and play defence, as there's not so much twisting required down back as there is up forward, where the problems arose.  We also have to convince him, or more importantly his dad, to re-sign. That may be harder than many think. 

Kade Chandler - Some of you may be surprised to see his name listed here given he's only had the one year and he's still only 19. And if you've seen him, he's a nice little left-footer who reminds me of Jack Lonie from the Saints. But at 173cm, he is part of a bigger problem that has been brought on by Tubby Taylor's recruiting. He is one of 15 players under six feet on our list - that's way too many (see my mid-season review for more detail). Ordinarily the club would give him another year, but we do need a sub-182cm cull and he may fall victim to it.  

Josh and Corey Wagner - I have included them both as a package because to me it's either both in or both out. My view is that the brothers are tremendous hard-workers who make a huge difference at VFL level. If Josh had line-breaking skills then he'd be an AFL regular, while Corey is a tad slow for the wing, but Goody doesn't want to give him a shot in the middle, except at VFL level, where he is a star. I hope we retain both of them for another year. And if we don't then I'd try and keep them both as Casey co-captains for next year.

ANB - As with Billy, an ideal clubman and the fittest player at the club so it's a huge call to move him on. All of us have bemoaned his occasional butchering of opportunities and this year it's been an extra tough gig as a small forward in our side. But what if we move him on and the AFL reduces interchange back to 30. How stupid would we look? 

Kade Kolodjashnij and Aaron vandenBurg - obviously the club won't be pushing either of these two guys out, but if medical reports on them between now and October don't bode well, then early retirement is possible.  

Guy Walker - An impressive looking pony-tailed hard worker before Christmas, but his season-long injury on top of being 24 already makes it hard to retain him. He's a Category B, so if we don't have a fresh name to replace him in that category, then I'm happy for him to have another go. But he's no Dayne Zorko in waiting.

Oscar Mc - None of you will be surprised to see his name listed here. But he's contracted so it won't happen unless he is fed up with everyone's constant criticism. The thing that I find even more perplexing than his selection is that he is still yet to be tried as a forward - the position he often played his junior football. Given what a find T-Mac was as a forward in 2018, it's incomprehensible to understand why he hasn't lined up there on occasions or even in the back-up ruck role, given he shares his brother's tank and has extra height than him.  

We have good alignment here Deespicable. 

Retire- Lewis Walker

Delist likely- Maynard Keilty Garlett 

medical pending - vberg Kk 

on the edge - Jkh Chandler Spargo Omcd   jwagner cwagner

Unfortunately may request trade - Stretch Jsmith 

stay - Anb

upgrsde - TSmith Lockhart Dunkley

Bring in go about 3 out of the draft (picks 2,20,36) and 3 new AFL quality midfield running players 

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Anyone worried that Sam Frost hasn't re-signed yet??

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9 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Anyone worried that Sam Frost hasn't re-signed yet??

Yes.

We seem to have an excess of tall defenders and he is likely to have good trade value.  If the club is looking for a good draft pick/player trade to get us a fwd or speed I can see why it may be waiting. 

Or, Sam had offers when he was last OOC so he may have better options than what mfc can offer on:  # of senior games, contract term, $.   I don't blame him if he goes elsewhere for more/better opportunities.

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On 8/12/2019 at 8:14 AM, Lucifer's Hero said:

Yes.

We seem to have an excess of tall defenders and he is likely to have good trade value.  If the club is looking for a good draft pick/player trade to get us a fwd or speed I can see why it may be waiting. 

Or, Sam had offers when he was last OOC so he may have better options than what mfc can offer on:  # of senior games, contract term, $.   I don't blame him if he goes elsewhere for more/better opportunities.

For most of us, it's pretty clear we can and will play May, Lever and Frost in our backline.

So if he leaves for opportunity, it will be positional (ie wants to be a no.1 or 2 defender or play on a wing etc.).

I think it's more likely he would leave for money: we'd be paying Lever and May a lot. Salem would be getting good coin. I suspect other clubs may be dangling more cash than our first offer. 

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1 hour ago, deanox said:

For most of us, it's pretty clear we can and will play May, Lever and Frost in our backline.

So if he leaves for opportunity, it will be positional (ie wants to be a no.1 or 2 defender or play on a wing etc.).

I think it's more likely he would leave for money: we'd be paying Lever and May a lot. Salem would be getting good coin. I suspect other clubs may be dangling more cash than our first offer. 

May also be the reason why we have been linked to Keath from Adelaide 

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11 hours ago, deanox said:

For most of us, it's pretty clear we can and will play May, Lever and Frost in our backline.

So if he leaves for opportunity, it will be positional (ie wants to be a no.1 or 2 defender or play on a wing etc.).

I think it's more likely he would leave for money: we'd be paying Lever and May a lot. Salem would be getting good coin. I suspect other clubs may be dangling more cash than our first offer. 

My thinking is that Petty will get a spot before Frost so Frost becomes depth for us.
So he may leave for a permanent senior spot, a longer contract term or more $ than we are prepared to offer. 

Would be surprised if he couldn't get a starting 22 spot on a 3yr contract on good $ elsewhere.  Don't think we can offer him that package.

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Article on the AFL website with some insight here. Apparently ANB, J Wagner, Smith, KK, Baker all signed for next year. 

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Just read the article and it suggests Tim Smith Keilty JKH and Garlett unlikely to get new contract Guy Walker has shoulder problem and Maynard and Lewis are retiring. That is 7 of the list and 5 of the senior list with the rules saying we have to delist a minimum of 3. Anyone else of the list would be a trade

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Thanks for the contract info folks.

I can't find any public advice from the club on those players. 

A poster reported that ANB signed four weeks ago but not released.  Could be happening with others.

Shall update table as and when the club makes public releases.  If I miss them will be grateful to posters letting me know. 

Cheers

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so currently three senior spots and one A rookie available

Retired: Maynard Lewis

Delisted: Keilty Garlett

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I think up to 4 senior player spots are available as we only had 39 senior players in 2019. 

I think you can have 38 - 40 seniors + 6 - 4 cat a rookies (44 total before cat b rookies, which you can have up to 3 meaning lists max out at 47). 

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