Demons11 7,152 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 2 hours ago, hardtack said: [censored] weak thing to say in light of what has been going on in his personal life. Understandable mate I didn’t know about the old man I just read the headline. Alologies for the insincerity. 1 Quote
Robbie57 2,042 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 Really like Vanders but understand he has to look at the long term for him and his family. Perhaps Jones in return. Quote
Demons11 7,152 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) Apologies for my insincere comments, I didn’t realise his old man had passed away. I should have read the article and not just the headline. I have deleted my post Edited September 28, 2018 by Demons11 18 Quote
Leoncelli_36 2,264 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 If he goes I won’t begrudge him, but he damn well owes us the decency of ensuring we get dually conpensated. We picked this guy up as a mature age out of Ainslie and gave him a shot at AFL football. We kept him around for 2 years while injured. If he were to walk away and go to a club and we got say pick 56 I’d be rightly annoyed 5 Quote
Dr. Gonzo 24,468 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 Is the family business in Ainslie or Sydney? If it's in Canberra I can't imagine how moving to Sydney would make it any easier to manage compared to Melbourne. 1 Quote
layzie 34,549 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, Demons11 said: Apologies for my insincere comments, I didn’t realise his old man had passed away. I should have read the article and not just the headline. I have deleted my post Appreciate you putting your hand up. Mistakes happen. 12 Quote
DubDee 26,817 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 Market price about pick 30? big loss. We lose size and hardness around the contest and another tall target up front. I expect him to have a big year next year 1 Quote
John Crow Batty 8,895 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) Being off the park for nearly 2 seasons it is tough to rate him after only a handful of games back. Can he become a more refined and accomplished player and what do the Swans see in him? Is it them chasing him or mutual attraction? I suspect they are mainly interested in his toughness and he did kick three goals against them recently amongst some good contested footy. And life may be be easier for him up north. Sad he may want to leave after the clubs patience during his long injury breaks and then quickly cementing a regular spot on his return. Edited September 28, 2018 by america de cali Quote
hardtack 11,116 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 31 minutes ago, Demons11 said: Understandable mate I didn’t know about the old man I just read the headline. Alologies for the insincerity. All good 1 Quote
Dockett 32 1,239 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 18 minutes ago, america de cali said: Being off the park for nearly 2 seasons it is tough to rate him after only a handful of games back. Can he become a more refined and accomplished player and what do the Swans see in him? Is it them chasing him or mutual attraction? I suspect they are mainly interested in his toughness and he did kick three goals against them recently amongst some good contested footy. And life may be be easier for him up north. Sad he may want to leave after the clubs patience during his long injury breaks and then quickly cementing a regular spot on his return. Would be a decent loss.Very hard match up. Big, plays tall up forward ,strong, tough, tackles and does all the hard stuff including turning up to a preliminary final. We get left with little kids who can’t stick a tackle and don’t risk their bodies like Hannan, Spargo, JKH. Its interesting to note the improvement in our side later in the year with him in it. Who would you rather have in your side. Sydney aren’t stupid are they? 1 Quote
leucopogon 1,519 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 Surely the club has some contacts in the financial sector that could assist the VdBergs in selling up their business for a tidy sum and living off the invested proceeds. Sucks losing him and Kent in the same off season. Quote
ucanchoose 1,816 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, leucopogon said: Surely the club has some contacts in the financial sector that could assist the VdBergs in selling up their business for a tidy sum and living off the invested proceeds. Sucks losing him and Kent in the same off season. This is crazy... I mean completely crazy 2 Quote
Adzman 2,154 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 Family comes first, and this isn't a case of a 21yo chasing a million dollar pay day. He has a fair reason to weigh up his options. Support his decision either way. 1 Quote
MurDoc516 1,529 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 Nothing against Vanders leaving, i'll never be mad at a player leaving for family reasons. However, when you look at the fact that Vince and Pedo are retiring. King and Filipovic are delisted. Kent, and potentially Hogan, Tyson and Vanders are looking to leave we all of a sudden have a massive hole in our squad. We'll get the picks back to cover it but [censored] man either way we are getting 4 or 5 kids ontop of the kids we already have. Our best 22 and the 6 or 7 fringe players who are ready to play seniors are going to have an easy ride if they stay fit. 1 Quote
dieter 3,325 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 2 hours ago, daisycutter said: i understand vanders is from the nsw south coast (not canberra), so about equidistant melb, syd (or a long drive from either) so i don't see how a move to sydney helps the family business much, assuming the family business is based in south coast IT's in Tathra, apparently... Quote
Dockett 32 1,239 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 1 minute ago, dieter said: IT's in Tathra, apparently... Sydney are smart and have pounced. AVB is surely going to have to live in a capital city for training and travelling interstate. Lets see what we get before we get too [censored] off I suppose. Should be something decent for this bloke. Quote
Pates 9,697 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 I wasn’t sold on him as part of our best 22 but his return changed my mind. There’s no one else in the team that has the upper body strength to push off opponents like Vanders and he seems to add an extra dimension in the midfield/forward role. He isn’t fast but I really enjoyed the games he played this year and touch wood he appears to be past his foot problems. However the personal side of things might just weigh things over for him, I actually didn’t realise he had dealt with the sudden passing of his father. Mid he goes hopefully we’ve been able to get some value from his end of year. Quote
DeeZee 7,496 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 Hey, at least Jordan Lewis has said he is staying ??? 2 1 Quote
old55 23,875 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 3 hours ago, A F said: The bloke can tackle and that's about it. Couldn't hit a handball target if he tried and is an ordinary kick. If we can get a 3rd or 2nd rounder, do the deal and run. He 's also very hard TO tackle effectively. This is an under rated attribute. 2 Quote
CityDee 738 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 I get why he may need to move but I want him to stay big bodied hard at it , needs to improve his kicking and it’s likely he will . Quote
Gator 18,057 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 People keep saying "he's not fast". His pace is one of his assets. Quote
Earl Hood 6,167 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 26 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said: Nothing against Vanders leaving, i'll never be mad at a player leaving for family reasons. However, when you look at the fact that Vince and Pedo are retiring. King and Filipovic are delisted. Kent, and potentially Hogan, Tyson and Vanders are looking to leave we all of a sudden have a massive hole in our squad. We'll get the picks back to cover it but [censored] man either way we are getting 4 or 5 kids ontop of the kids we already have. Our best 22 and the 6 or 7 fringe players who are ready to play seniors are going to have an easy ride if they stay fit. Yes the way things are unfolding you would think we had a bad year. We will have to get into trading picks for experienced players big time. No use going to the draft with 7 or 8 picks for 18 year olds. 1 Quote
Sydee 4,685 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 Better team over the last 4 or 5 weeks of the season with him in the side - if he could stay fit extremely valuable and far less likely to be brushed aside in the heat of a final or not commit 100% to each contest Very sad to see him leave if that's the way it plays out Still a few too many soft underbellies imo we can ill afford to lose someone like AVB 2 Quote
DeeSpencer 26,719 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 I'm a huge fan, I think his grunt and attitude flows through the rest of the team and that's the style we want to play. So I really want to keep him, but I also think there's a point where the contract becomes too risky or silly even if the draft return from Sydney isn't great. And that's without factoring in Aaron's actual preference even if money isn't a factor. I would hope if the money isn't a factor we can win him over with other ways to support him - extra time off, business mentoring etc. The Swans drafted Ollie Florent after his father passed away when the family didn't want him leaving Melbourne. They met with the family pre draft and worked out what was required to make it work. Hopefully that's the kind of thing we are doing with Vanders. The money has to have a max limit otherwise you're costing yourself future players if he doesn't perform to value. Melksham and Petracca are already preferred as the medium forwards. Hannan can probably fill that role as well. Petracca can build his fitness and play the forward/midfield hybrid role that Vanders is best suited to. So we find some wingmen to cover his potential in that area of the ground as well which isn't easily but maybe Stretch, Baker, Fritsch and bring in Kade Kolo plus more draft/trades. 2 Quote
Dockett 32 1,239 Posted September 28, 2018 Posted September 28, 2018 35 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said: He 's also very hard TO tackle effectively. This is an under rated attribute. Took forever to get the midgits who get knocked aside by mobs like Hawthorn, WCE , Sydney off our list, looks like we can’t help ourselves, filling up again. Garlett, ( Gone, but still contracted) Johnston, ( ?) Spargo, Jones ( just about gone) and the young prospect coming. Under 185 you need speed, heaps of tricks and 2 goals min a week IMO Kent and AVB decent losses. At first pass doesn’t look great to me, however we’ve seen Taylor magic before. Quote
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