2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Polec now claiming Wingard's head was "in no mans land" at Port Adelaide before deciding to leave. Can't he keep his big mouth shut on other people's business.... Isn't he the fool that said Gaff would be playing alongside him at Norf?

That's him Moon

14 hours ago, Demons11 said:

Why is it farcical?  You seriously think they will run a live event and have nothing happen. 

Remember the first finale of The Recruit when every team was wheeled in to sit there and not press a button to say they were interested in a player. Only Kochie being generous and making sure Port picked the bloke saved it from being the most farcical spectacle in TV history.

7 hours ago, CBDees said:

Now the radio is saying that the Dylan Sheils trade to Essescum may not happen (as GWS are demanding two first round draft picks)! 

If you were Freo or Essendon and know that it is looking likely that Scully could go to Hawthorn for pick 50 odd.... and that seems as much to do with Salary Cap issues as anything, why would you be offering Pick 11 (for Lobb) or 2 first round picks for Shiel. They can't afford these players to stay.... I think they've played this trade period only slightly better than Freo which is saying something. 

.... I mean they are looking at bringing back Mumford... that surely is as much about salary as it is about anything else.....

Odds on Dodoro squibbs the Shiel trade

GWS is seriously screwed up

Fair to say myself and many others also are becoming quite cynical about this years trade period. Seems like all these media leaks are just a bunch of pantomime in anticipation of the trade telecast tomorrow. Reminds me of the lead up to WrestleMania back in the day. Farcical.

Edited October 16, 20187 yr by leucopogon

Geelong have lost the plot!

"Geelong has turned up the heat on West Coast as it bids for Tim Kelly by demanding a future first-round pick be included in any trade for the contracted midfielder...AFL.com.au understands the Cats have asked for the Eagles' first-round selection in next year's draft in addition to West Coast's existing offer of picks No.20 and No.22". 

That will be Eagle's pick 15-18 in 2019 - effectively 3 low 1st round picks for someone who has played for one year.  Kelly has been terrific but his longevity has not been tested.

Think the Cats are dreaming!

21 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Geelong have lost the plot!

"Geelong has turned up the heat on West Coast as it bids for Tim Kelly by demanding a future first-round pick be included in any trade for the contracted midfielder...AFL.com.au understands the Cats have asked for the Eagles' first-round selection in next year's draft in addition to West Coast's existing offer of picks No.20 and No.22". 

That will be Eagle's pick 15-18 in 2019 - effectively 3 low 1st round picks for someone who has played for one year.  Kelly has been terrific but his longevity has not been tested.

Think the Cats are dreaming!

Dreaming or fearful; not much in the cat’s cupboard after ‘the holy trinity’. Ablett’s probably going into his last year, Selwood’s not far behind him and Dangerfield wilted badly under finals pressure - cracked the sads and resorted to giving away petulant free kicks.

 

44 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Geelong have lost the plot!

"Geelong has turned up the heat on West Coast as it bids for Tim Kelly by demanding a future first-round pick be included in any trade for the contracted midfielder...AFL.com.au understands the Cats have asked for the Eagles' first-round selection in next year's draft in addition to West Coast's existing offer of picks No.20 and No.22". 

That will be Eagle's pick 15-18 in 2019 - effectively 3 low 1st round picks for someone who has played for one year.  Kelly has been terrific but his longevity has not been tested.

Think the Cats are dreaming!

This is basically Geelong refusing to trade. Interesting to see what happens and how Kelly reacts. Doesn’t seem like a shy chap

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Geelong have lost the plot!

"Geelong has turned up the heat on West Coast as it bids for Tim Kelly by demanding a future first-round pick be included in any trade for the contracted midfielder...AFL.com.au understands the Cats have asked for the Eagles' first-round selection in next year's draft in addition to West Coast's existing offer of picks No.20 and No.22". 

That will be Eagle's pick 15-18 in 2019 - effectively 3 low 1st round picks for someone who has played for one year.  Kelly has been terrific but his longevity has not been tested.

Think the Cats are dreaming!

They’re playing hard ball with West Coast or Geelong got really clever after the reported offer of pick 11 from Freo for Kelly.

Tom Browne reported on 7 news the other night the Cats approached Kelly’s management and asked if Kelly was willing to talk to the Dockers to which he replied no, he’d prefer to stay at the Cats. Looks like they’re trying to price West Coast out, Kelly is homesick after all but will only play for the Eagles.

 

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Geelong have lost the plot!

"Geelong has turned up the heat on West Coast as it bids for Tim Kelly by demanding a future first-round pick be included in any trade for the contracted midfielder...AFL.com.au understands the Cats have asked for the Eagles' first-round selection in next year's draft in addition to West Coast's existing offer of picks No.20 and No.22". 

That will be Eagle's pick 15-18 in 2019 - effectively 3 low 1st round picks for someone who has played for one year.  Kelly has been terrific but his longevity has not been tested.

Think the Cats are dreaming!

How much of this is now just the so-called 'optics'?

Geelong need to be seen to be playing hardball and not rolling over. They know they have a captive buyer for Kelly and he is dead set on getting back to Perth one way or another and will inevitably make it back west. 

So they need to be seen to take full advantage of the situation. If Kelly leaves in a year's time (along with Gary) Geelong is cactus and their midfield cupboard is bare, ex-Dangerwood. 

Edited October 16, 20187 yr by the rolling fog

I despise Geelong, but I do feel they are within their rights to be seething about the Kelly trade.  I know there are extenuating family circumstances, but the fact that he is wanting to go back to WA for family reasons, but is only willing to go to one club is farcical. 

IMHO, contracted players should be able to nominate the State that they would like to be traded to and the money they would like to receive- then it's over to the clubs to sort out the trade that's best for them.

1 minute ago, the rolling fog said:

So they need to be seen to take full advantage of the situation. If Kelly leaves in a years time (along with Gary) Geelong is cactus and their midfield cupboard is bare, ex-Dangerwood. 

By then it will probably be just Danger. 

2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

By then it will probably be just Danger. 

So a Dangerfield?

2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

By then it will probably be just Danger. 

Probably, hopefully.

3 hours ago, TRIGON said:

Dreaming or fearful; not much in the cat’s cupboard after ‘the holy trinity’. Ablett’s probably going into his last year, Selwood’s not far behind him and Dangerfield wilted badly under finals pressure - cracked the sads and resorted to giving away petulant free kicks.

 

I don't know TRIGON, all 3 seemed to be doing pretty well at raising their arms and having a [censored] sook to the umpires during the EF.

4 hours ago, the rolling fog said:

How much of this is now just the so-called 'optics'?

Geelong need to be seen to be playing hardball and not rolling over. They know they have a captive buyer for Kelly and he is dead set on getting back to Perth one way or another and will inevitably make it back west. 

So they need to be seen to take full advantage of the situation. If Kelly leaves in a year's time (along with Gary) Geelong is cactus and their midfield cupboard is bare, ex-Dangerwood. 

Why do they need to be "seen" to do anything?  Who is doing the "seeing"?

They need to get a reasonable trade this year because it's highly likely they'll get less next year when he's out of contract.

Edited October 16, 20187 yr by Fifty-5

6 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I despise Geelong, but I do feel they are within their rights to be seething about the Kelly trade.  I know there are extenuating family circumstances, but the fact that he is wanting to go back to WA for family reasons, but is only willing to go to one club is farcical. 

IMHO, contracted players should be able to nominate the State that they would like to be traded to and the money they would like to receive- then it's over to the clubs to sort out the trade that's best for them.

You mean like Nathan Buckley did when he left Brisbane? ?

2 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Why do they need to be "seen" to do anything?  Who is doing the "seeing"?

They need to get a reasonable trade this year because it's highly likely they'll get less next year when he's out of contract.

Their members for a start, potential future players and their respective managers, let alone players they already have on their list. 

Thanks also for re-iterating my thoughts in the end

7 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

By then it will probably be just Danger. 

Dangernarkleparfitt

Karl Amon is looking for a new home, has anybody heard where he is going?

Interesting that the Hawkes initially thought they would need to give a 1st round pick for HWSNBN.  http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-16/inside-story-why-scully-became-a-hawk-steal

"The wider football public was already up in arms when it emerged this week that Hawthorn's third-round choice – No.53 overall – might get the job done, but even that was being too generous...This is a player who was an All Australian nominee in 2016 and 2017 and is considered the AFL's best two-way runner, someone who routinely covers an extraordinary 18km in game".

One has to wonder about the background negotiations that led to a 3rd round pick instead! 

That whole trade has a big whiff about it to me Lucifer. Either that ankle is a serious problem or Mcarthy is the worst negotiator in known history. We managed to do better than that in offloading Watts!

10 hours ago, TRIGON said:

Dreaming or fearful; not much in the cat’s cupboard after ‘the holy trinity’. Ablett’s probably going into his last year, Selwood’s not far behind him and Dangerfield wilted badly under finals pressure - cracked the sads and resorted to giving away petulant free kicks.

 

Which was such a joy to watch!

4 minutes ago, FlashInThePan said:

That whole trade has a big whiff about it to me Lucifer. Either that ankle is a serious problem or Mcarthy is the worst negotiator in known history. We managed to do better than that in offloading Watts!

It may also have to do with other things that play out today.  It may be part of something bigger that balances things out, for example Wingard to Hawks.  The trade Hawks make out might be overs, that circulate through a few clubs, to be overall ‘evens’ back to GWS.  Lets have a look at the close of this farcical day.  I think the AFL are trying to maximise the ‘excitement’ by having a super trade and having everyone running around like chooks at the last minute.  Smells like reality TV, to me.