Farewell Jesse Hogan

[darkhorse72 1,926]

Every year Freo are reported to make a big pitch for a key forward.  Same as every year SA teams made a pitch for Pavlich to return to SA, he never did.  Hogan aerobic ability is huge for a key player, he does not need to play close to goal, true modern KP fwd. 

[MurDoc516 1,529]

1 hour ago, Dr.D said:

ok fair enough. I'll put it all on the table.

strengths: -1 on 1 marking (although not as good as a few seasons ago)

- aerobic capacity allows him to play multiple positions.

- goal kicking prowess: potential to kick 60 goals a season.

weaknesses

- defensive pressure.

-on field attitude

- goal kicking accuracy

- performances against top teams. 

i weigh all of these up and believe that nothing is more important than attitude. And that trumps all talent, especially when building a winning culture. 

On field attitude? duh [censored].

Goal kicking accuracy? fixable and still one of the better kicks in the league

performances against top teams? better teams and better defences double teaming a 23 year old forward hmmm 

[titan_uranus 25,176]

5 hours ago, Tony Tea said:

The Australian.

"A bombshell is about to hit the lead-up to the AFL trade period with star Melbourne forward Jesse Hogan set to play with Fremantle next year if the Dockers are successful in their multimillion-dollar bid to lure the West Australian home."

Writing "bombshell" and that he is "set to play" at Fremantle is designed purely to be quoted on Twitter and forums and social media, but what he's actually saying is "Fremantle are interested in Hogan". Wow. Breaking news there.

Complete click-bait rubbish, which is classic Greg Denham (a pathetic attempt at a journalist, IMO. Genuinely cannot stand the man).

[sisso 2,588]

Is May even that good? I don't see Hogan out May in being an improvement to the side at all

[KingDingAling 3,758]

If May is involved. The only way I see this trade happening is.

GC -

Out: May and 1st round pick

In: Neale and possibly Freo 2nd rounder

MFC

Out: Hogan

In: May and GC 1st round pick

Freo

Out: Neale and 2nd round pick.

In: Hogan

 

[deehughman 10]

Can we get brayshaws brother? Or can he not be traded after 1 year? 

[Smokey 4,389]

5 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

If May is involved. The only way I see this trade happening is.

GC -

Out: May and 1st round pick

In: Neale and possibly Freo 2nd rounder

MFC

Out: Hogan

In: May and GC 1st round pick

Freo

Out: Neale and 2nd round pick.

In: Hogan

 

I wouldn't be mad at that whatsoever. We aren't that much better off as a team with Hogan in. And he has some annoying traits that I would've expected to see him get on top of (stupid run up for set shots, whinging to umpires etc). 

May on the other hand will make us better immediately and may be a key for our shot at the flag next year. Fascinating stuff. 

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

Nothing to see here folks. Jesse hogan will be suiting up in the red and blue round 1 2019. Steven may will not.

[Drunkn167 5,093]

I think an important thing to know that many people don't, is that Hogan and Fyfe are super close mates.

[Demon Disciple 12,452]

5 hours ago, mauriesy said:

"if the Dockers are successful ... " 

BS isn't it mauriesy........

Like saying 'day-time would instead be night-time if there was no sun'.

[censored] article by Denham (surprise surprise), aimed at getting as many clicks from the lowest possible denominator. Gutter journalism at its finest.

[qwerty7 326]

4 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

I think an important thing to know that many people don't, is that Hogan and Fyfe are super close mates.

Not that instagram=friendship, but they don't even follow each other on instagram...

 

and it is just as important to note that hogan and brayshaw, hogan and oliver, hogan and etc., are super close mates. I am not sure if a friendship with Nat Fyfe will ultimately determine whether or not Jesse will be heading to Freo or not.  

[Jones 62]

I would take May for Hogan. Our backline would be soooo much stronger with May and Lever in it. Weid holds his spot up forward with McDonald.

[Grand New Flag 3,227]

I have said it before and I will say it again.

HOGAN IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

Some facts:

• The FD does not want to trade him even for overs
• JH does not want to leave
• JH is a required MFC player
• JH is contracted

Every year we have this conversation, its getting boring.

If last weeks loss to the Eagles only taught us one thing, it was how much we need Hogan.

Edited September 25, 2018 by Grand New Flag

[Diamond_Jim 12,689]

The Drums are certainly beating.

It will happen if the deal is good enough.

May for Hogan is laughable by the way. Key Forwards are worth 2 low first rounders (top 6) or their equivalent. May and a low first rounder is doable if the list committee think we need May.

Personally I'd prefer a strong outside mid.

 

[Richard Tionary 145]

9 minutes ago, Jones said:

I would take May for Hogan. Our backline would be soooo much stronger with May and Lever in it. Weid holds his spot up forward with McDonald.

So would I, I may be in the minority but I'm a massive fan of Steven May. 

Lot of the knocks on him are his aggression:  getting suspended and giving away a lot of free kicks, but by god who wouldn't have anger problems playing for Gold Coast.

I think we are better side with May instead of Hogan when taking into account relative KPF and KPD stocks. 

[drdrake 3,203]

Trading is simple, if your club will benefit from the trade you need to have a serious look at it.  I'm not for trading Hogan, key forwards are pretty rare but if Fremantle are silly enough to offer two picks inside the top 10 for him and he is willing to go it needs to be considered if you have a May lined up with the deal and a spare first round pick that could be offered to GWS for a Whitfield/Kelly.  Adding May and one of those two GWS players this deal would be done in a heartbeat

 

 

[Diamond_Jim 12,689]

2 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

I have said it before and I will say it again.

HOGAN IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

Some facts:

• The FD does not want to trade him even for overs
• JH does not want to leave
• JH is a required MFC player
• JH is contracted

Every year we have this conversation, its getting boring.

If last weeks loss to the Eagles only taught us one thing, it was how much we need Hogan.

Hogan would have got cold waiting for the ball last week just like Weideman

[Demons11 7,097]

43 minutes ago, rjay said:

Why?

I'm not so certain that Brayshaw is what we need by the way...

But, back to your point. Hogan is worth a lot to Freo and to us.

If we're going to give him up we will need substantial compensation.

The issue with this is that GC will be thinking the same thing for May.  

Im not sure 1 pick will get it done 

[What 18,810]

6 hours ago, Tony Tea said:

The Australian.

"A bombshell is about to hit the lead-up to the AFL trade period with star Melbourne forward Jesse Hogan set to play with Fremantle next year if the Dockers are successful in their multimillion-dollar bid to lure the West Australian home."

Same article thats recycled every season before the trade period.

Jesse must laugh his ass off.

[Sir Why You Little 37,310]

I would be playing Hogan off Half Back in 2019. I don’t think we have seen the best of Jesse yet. Not by a long shot. 

Personally i don’t think his kicking is good enough to be a key forward. 

But i certainly wouldn’t be trading him for pick 6

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,766]

He's a toss bag that Denham.

[Cards13 9,117]

13 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Hogan would have got cold waiting for the ball last week just like Weideman

 No he wouldn’t have, he would have moved up the ground into the midfield or wings and probably down back to help stem the flow. As he did numerous times this season.

The only drums beating I think are in people’s heads. I just can’t see it happening but who the hell knows. If it does I think it would be a big loss (depending on the return) and think he is a valuable asset to keep long term.

 

[Grand New Flag 3,227]

19 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Hogan would have got cold waiting for the ball last week just like Weideman

Hogan can play up the ground.  That is half the point, the other half is the need for multi key forwards to win finals.  I know thr Tigers won a GF with just 1 Key Forward but look through all the Premiership teams and they mostly have 2 plus a floater.

[McQueen 17,867]

56 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

I think an important thing to know that many people don't, is that Hogan and Fyfe are super close mates.

How can anyone be a super close mate with Nat Fyfe?

[KingDingAling 3,758]

1 hour ago, sisso said:

Is May even that good? I don't see Hogan out May in being an improvement to the side at all

May is slightly better than Pederson was.