Was the win against West Coast rigged?

[mauriesy 7,352]

1 hour ago, Macca said:

Coincides with the sport being even harder to umpire,  the fact that we as a team are totally relevant again but most importantly,  the close losses that we have incurred.

Coincides with the rise in expectations of supporters and their anger after any loss.

[Tricky 341]

Or....the maggots were inept as usual?

[Axis of Bob 11,839]

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For all those who are outraged by my personal opinion, I hereby resign from this thread , and thank you for revealing the error of my ways, particularly drysdale demon who’s outed me as a closet Collingwood supporter

I love when a poster storms out of a thread and boldly proclaims that they’re not coming back.

37 minutes ago, joeboy said:

Wow, I’m glad there are mods and rules in place to control such personal vindictiveness 

Because they always come back.

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[monoccular 17,568]

I guess Joeboy may  have been thinking that the umpiring was quite unusual, by not being hugely biased to WCE for a game in Perth.

In that respect was it ‘rigged’?  Just because it was reasonably fair most of the time?

Did it mean that the umpires were “under instructions” to be even handed, for a change?

I haven’t yet seen the entire match but the umpires did not appear to be influenced by the feral home crowd.  I thought that Collingwood and Geelong crowds were feral, but this was a new level for me.

Perhaps they were wearing noise cancelling earphones?

Good job and hopefully they will survive to do it again in finals  

 

[praha 11,240]

What we got away with and the Eagles DIDN'T get doesn't compare to some of the weak BS rhey *do* get.

The umpiring was very good on Sunday. Both ways.

Omac definitely should have been penalised but it wouldn't have made a difference imo. If you do watch the replay though, his head is down as he collects the ball and is tackled, so he doesn't quite duck into it.

[Deemania since 56 6,714]

6 hours ago, Macca said:

From an overall perspective,  we've never actually been disadvantaged by umpires anyway.  Most would disagree but most have been brainwashed into believing that the umpires have got a set against us.  Ditto for every other club and their supporters.

The sport can't be umpired correctly and it is daylight to the next hardest sport in terms of the adjudication.

So it stands to reason that the umpires are going to make a stack of errors and an equal proportion of those incorrect decisions are going to be awarded against all the teams.  Over time.

So comes to terms with it all, lose the persecution complex and stop playing victim.  That attitude is all based on a mistruth anyway.

Too even-handed a perspective and most probably correct, in that; however, it was a refreshing change to see umpiring, in general, improve for such an important game. The game was allowed to travel down river without hindrance from the green snot goblins and so the MFC canoe demonstrated how to play a game that is largely unstoppable by other footballers. That is the real refreshment and I would suspect that it could continue into something very big - like the MFC playing in the GF.

[Superunknown 4,223]

2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Some choice quotes from WCE BigFooty forum:

THOSE USELESS ****IN GREEN MAGGOTS 
They couldn't suck Melbourne's dick any harder, they climaxed on the Umps face so hard.
[censored] THOSE NON HTBs , [censored] MELBOURNE, [censored] VICTORIA, Damn THIS TEAM, [censored] BT, [censored] THOSE GREEN MAGGOTS AGAIN

- ******* lol at that umpiring. Outstanding effort to get Melbourne over the line, brown paper bag stuff.

Maggots with the reverse affirmation which is no accident.

Negatives: Umpires cheating,  congrats AFL you got what you wanted.

Was only listening on the radio but it sounds like we were shafted pretty hard by the umpiring in that first quarter. The commentators couldn't believe some of the non calls.

 

Negatives: 
- VFL umpiring. If that continues for Melbourne then it’s obvious that they’re the next Western Bulldogs who won GF with umps turning a blind eye to throwing. Today we saw continuous throwing, incorrect disposal, HTB, high tackles, Holding the man, scragging and stray elbows continuously not paid against the Dee’s. Pathetic. 

Mulldog Anyone at all surprised that Oscar McDonald was cleared for his tackle on Darling? One arm pinned, hint of a downwards drive in the tackle and a player out of the game with concussion.

CN9000:The umpiring was certainly perplexing today, to say the least. The AFL recently had a inquiry into the supposed "advantage" we receive, and I think today was symptomatic of their attempt to fix a non existent problem - the amount of non calls alone is testament to that fact. I'm guessing they instructed the Victorian based umps they brought in (also part of the "solution") to hold back on calling blantent frees, to lesson the amount of free kicks in the game and let it "flow" more.

Are you serious? Did the AFL actually have an enquiry into this??

The problem was Hocking (No 16) who deserved all of the criticism directed at the umps.  It looked as crooked as you can get.

I really have sympathy for the WC fans. After being 3 Standard Deviations-treated for so long, to have to endure basically-fair umpiring would be like torture.

Reduced to using crude climax jokes, poor darlings

[Webber 10,538]

12 minutes ago, monoccular said:

I guess Joeboy may  have been thinking that the umpiring was quite unusual, by not being hugely biased to WCE for a game in Perth.

In that respect was it ‘rigged’?  Just because it was reasonably fair most of the time?

Did it mean that the umpires were “under instructions” to be even handed, for a change?

I haven’t yet seen the entire match but the umpires did not appear to be influenced by the feral home crowd.  I thought that Collingwood and Geelong crowds were feral, but this was a new level for me.

Perhaps they were wearing noise cancelling earphones?

Good job and hopefully they will survive to do it again in finals  

 

Fascinating. I remember going to Vic park to watch Dees as a kid in the 70’s, and feeling scared cos I had my jumper on, so didn’t clap, cheer or otherwise make a sound. Did the feral crowd change your supporting habits? Does it feel threatening? 

[Webber 10,538]

3 minutes ago, -Ⓥ- said:

I really have sympathy for the WC fans. After being 3 Standard Deviations-treated for so long, to have to endure basically-fair umpiring would be like torture.

Reduced to using crude climax jokes, poor darlings

Brilliant. Maybe WC could be known as the “3SD’s” from now on. Kudos to Mazer  Rackham for the stats work. 

[DeeSpencer 26,065]

15-8 free kicks after 1/4 time even though we kept the balance of play and contested ball for most of that time

Oscar was lucky, as was Dom Tyson (wtf Dom just rush it mate), but overall we still had the umpires against us, the commentators just don't say anything when there's not a rabid crowd yelling for the free kicks constantly. 

Off the top of my head:
- Tom McDonald blocked in the ruck by Hutching's (1st term directly in front of goal). This was worse than Brayshaw/Danger.
- Spargo head ripped off by L Jetta
- Liam Ryan clear cheeky throw to set up an Eagles goal (commentators said - great handball).
- Clear deliberate where an Eagles played picked up the ball and walked it over on the near wing
- Clear advantage to Lewis in the middle of the ground that was called back despite being very continuous
-  Jetta clearly held in a marking contest moments before Oliver got pinged in a very dubious holding call
And of course my personal favourite for the afternoon
 - The Vandenberg 'eyes off the ball' free kick to gift a goal.

The Eagles bronx cheered a free kick in the 2nd quarter where it was 6-4 free kick count and they were completely outplayed for the first 20 minutes of the game. That pretty much sums up where they are at. If they aren't way ahead in free kicks they throw the toys out of the cot.

[buck_nekkid 6,038]

If the game was rigged, I would have thought the umpires would have found lots of free kicks to stop their run of goals that led to them getting in front.  That would have been the time to intervene.  Conversely, there were opportunities to find players encroaching space or the mark to march a player 50.  There were some misses both ways - Vanders defensive spoil let to a goal and was a terrible free kick.  Oscar should have given a free away on 50 after his dropped mark and hatching the pill.

'Rigged' is not what I saw in this game.  Go to the Port Demons game for a better example of 'Rigged'.

[Clayton van Oliver 1,823]

AmDam's one word analysis of this thread:

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Demon_JB 1,385]

I think the umps were the involved to the point where the game was just absolute pure free-flowing and a spectacle to watch.

There were two howlers of a decision I believed with Tyson just before 3qtr time how he dragged it in and drove his head into Shuey's leg, and Omac dropping the mark, then ducking and not disposing the ball. Both I believe should have been holding the ball which would have gifted eagles a goal.

However, it's evened out with Vandenberg having that free kick paid against him with the umpires specifically stating 'You didn't have your eyes on the ball' when he clearly did. That free resulted in a goal also. 

Not only that, but it seemed whenever we touched a bloke, who was running for a ball the eagles player would look more interested in playing for the free kick and stopping dead in their tracks with their arms stretched out and the sound of the crowd going bezerk than actually the player wanting to win the footy. This is what frustrated the eagles supporters the most, but the umps weren't buying into them playing for those frees. 

Edited August 21, 2018 by juzzk1d

[DV8 2,271]

1 minute ago, juzzk1d said:

I think the umps were the involved to the point where the game was just absolute pure free-flowing and a spectacle to watch.

There were two howlers of a decision I believed with Tyson just before 3qtr time how he dragged it in and drove his head into Shuey's leg, and Omac dropping the mark, then ducking and not disposing the ball. Both I believe should have been holding the ball which would have gifted eagles a goal.

However, it's evened out with Vandenberg having that free kick paid against him with the umpires specifically stating 'You didn't have your eyes on the ball' when he clearly did. That free resulted in a goal also. 

I agree jk1d

There was 50/50's, both ways...  I think the game flowed nicely, and I do see penalties during games, which IMO should not have gone our way.

So I think i'm less biased, than most.

[Macca 17,032]

2 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Too even-handed a perspective and most probably correct, in that; however, it was a refreshing change to see umpiring, in general, improve for such an important game. The game was allowed to travel down river without hindrance from the green snot goblins and so the MFC canoe demonstrated how to play a game that is largely unstoppable by other footballers. That is the real refreshment and I would suspect that it could continue into something very big - like the MFC playing in the GF.

See I had no apprehension about the West Coast game beforehand DS56 ...  in terms of the umpiring.

I thought if we're good enough, we'll win.  And we were good enough so we won.

Edited August 21, 2018 by Macca

[beelzebub 23,382]

To answer the op

How CAN you rig a game ? Seriously.  The various lines of structure to cover ( from leaking the secret )...seems incredulous imho

[Bateman12 6]

9 hours ago, joeboy said:

I’ve watched the replay 3 times and still can’t comprehend how we were awarded frees, or at least not penalized for many blatant errors, despite the howls of abuse throughout the game from an overwhelmingly anti Melbourne crowd.

The non payment of a free kick against O.Mac ,when he took on the tackler by dropping his head into an oncoming chest, was just one of  many mind boggling decisions surprisingly in our favour.

In my conspiracy theory, the AFL contrived a feel good story ending

I was staggered by a couple of the non - calls late going our way. There was a Tom McDonald HTB in the centre bounce not called as well.

However, if the AFL was rigging anything i dont think a non controlling umpiring would run in from 70m away to pay that ridiculous Cripps free kick.

[red&blue1982 255]

9 hours ago, joeboy said:

I’ve watched the replay 3 times and still can’t comprehend how we were awarded frees, or at least not penalized for many blatant errors, despite the howls of abuse throughout the game from an overwhelmingly anti Melbourne crowd.

The non payment of a free kick against O.Mac ,when he took on the tackler by dropping his head into an oncoming chest, was just one of  many mind boggling decisions surprisingly in our favour.

In my conspiracy theory, the AFL contrived a feel good story ending

I haven't re watched the game, but I believe the AFL influence games. Not sure about this one. One of the obvious matches that looked fixed was the opening round match between Crows and Tigers. In that game it didn't matter how good the Tigers were, they were never going to win.

[sue 9,126]

Rigging of the Sunday game is absolute nonsense.  But it does seem possible that the AFL and maybe individual umpires have woken up to the historical pro-WCE bias which the stats show is a fact.   And so maybe there was an instruction from the AFL (or self-realization by umps) to consciously resist crowd influence.  In which case, good, about bloody time. 

Furthermore there is no evidence that they over-reacted and leant too far the other way because for every mistake made someone can point to a mistake the other way.

[Philthy 284]

9 hours ago, joeboy said:

I’ve watched the replay 3 times and still can’t comprehend how we were awarded frees, or at least not penalized for many blatant errors, despite the howls of abuse throughout the game from an overwhelmingly anti Melbourne crowd.

The non payment of a free kick against O.Mac ,when he took on the tackler by dropping his head into an oncoming chest, was just one of  many mind boggling decisions surprisingly in our favour.

In my conspiracy theory, the AFL contrived a feel good story ending

Lay off the kool-aid and take off the tin foil hat mate. This is the biggest load of rubbish I have read on the forum in a long time!

[Satyriconhome 10,879]

9 hours ago, joeboy said:

Which part do you deem as nonsense?

All of it, don't know what substance you imbibed, but can I have some

You are entitled to an opinion, but this tops some of your 3 words after a loss

 

[monoccular 17,568]

1 hour ago, juzzk1d said:

I think the umps were the involved to the point where the game was just absolute pure free-flowing and a spectacle to watch.

There were two howlers of a decision I believed with Tyson just before 3qtr time how he dragged it in and drove his head into Shuey's leg, and Omac dropping the mark, then ducking and not disposing the ball. Both I believe should have been holding the ball which would have gifted eagles a goal.

However, it's evened out with Vandenberg having that free kick paid against him with the umpires specifically stating 'You didn't have your eyes on the ball' when he clearly did. That free resulted in a goal also. 

Not only that, but it seemed whenever we touched a bloke, who was running for a ball the eagles player would look more interested in playing for the free kick and stopping dead in their tracks with their arms stretched out and the sound of the crowd going bezerk than actually the player wanting to win the footy. This is what frustrated the eagles supporters the most, but the umps weren't buying into them playing for those frees. 

juzz - your last paragraph sums it up.  The WCE players are so used to getting soft frees at their home ground that they just continued to wait for the free that didn’t, and shouldn’t, have come. 

Well umpired, for a long overdue change.

37 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

To answer the op

How CAN you rig a game ? Seriously.  The various lines of structure to cover ( from leaking the secret )...seems incredulous imho

How can you rig a game?  Check out the replay of the Port game.  

Very clear that one.

oK, maybe not absolutely rigged, but absolutely certainly the maggots were intimidated by the crowd, but they were not this time. 

[Ethan Tremblay 30,961]

57 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

To answer the op

How CAN you rig a game ? Seriously.  The various lines of structure to cover ( from leaking the secret )...seems incredulous imho

In brown paper bags provided by Visy. 

Edited August 21, 2018 by Ethan Tremblay

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

32 minutes ago, Bateman12 said:

I was staggered by a couple of the non - calls late going our way. There was a Tom McDonald HTB in the centre bounce not called as well.

The umps are so useless they can't even get incompetency right.

 

18 minutes ago, sue said:

Furthermore there is no evidence that they over-reacted and leant too far the other way because for every mistake made someone can point to a mistake the other way.

The AFL could save a lot of money by sacking the umps. Spin a roulette wheel every minute. Black = home team free, red = away. Green = 50m penalty. And offer in-game betting for fabulous prizes!!

[Bobby McKenzie 2,385]

Mods, close this ridiculous post. People haved raved on ad nauseum. Joeboy, you seem to have very few agreeing with you.