From the mouth of the man who's first job was to create a defensive foundation.

Must be a sour taste

Yes we are,  but the biggest problem is our inability to convert once we get it inside 50.

Massive problem!

Yep, absolutely. We are surely the quickest team to score against.

Whenever I see the ball cross into the other half, I almost always chalk it up as a score, because I'm so used to it.

Edited April 15, 20187 yr by RedButMostlyBlue

Last year a few of our wins were because the other team didn't kick straight.

This game plan has whiskers to say the least

6 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

From the mouth of the man who's first job was to create a defensive foundation.

Sure, but that's about all we had under Roos (not entirely Roos' fault either). Everyone was wrapped when we finally started attacking a bit more in Roos' last year and put it down to Goodwin's influence and "can't wait till Goody takes over" etc. etc.

Years of just packing the backline under Roos probably didn't really develop the defenders to work one on one. The whole problem with the handover was Goodwin took over and started a brand new game plan. 

Our backs were actually somewhat accountable today but shellshocked when the ball hit the ground. The midfield pressure that we improved on under Roos was badly missing and there's too many defenders who don't win the ball back conclusively and turn it in to solid possession. 

Roos did a good job with a terrible foundation but didn't get close to fixing all the cracks and now Goody is doing something else trying whatever it is he's trying and there's still lots of shaky ground.

Roos loves talking about defending and attacking like they are individual parts of the game but the relationship between the two has never been more symbiotic. So I'm not really that keen on hearing him talk about defending.

I'd rather here Roos talk about why the players mindsets are off, why the club felt the need to make splashy acquisitions like Lewis and Lever - neither of whom seem resilient - and why there's probably still a doubt on our footy department. I know I have my doubts on our list management, our fitness staff and the medical staff.

They can't play as a team. They haven't a clue sadly

Of course this is the issue. How to fix it is a different story,

We get so many numbers to the ball and trying to lock it in. We work so hard for our goals, but we are so open when it comes the other way.

This is my main issue with Goodwin's game plan. I'm still not convinced it is sustainable.

8 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Years of just packing the backline under Roos probably didn't really develop the defenders to work one on one. The whole problem with the handover was Goodwin took over and started a brand new game plan. 

Our backs were actually somewhat accountable today but shellshocked when the ball hit the ground. The midfield pressure that we improved on under Roos was badly missing and there's too many defenders who don't win the ball back conclusively and turn it in to solid possession. 

Roos did a good job with a terrible foundation but didn't get close to fixing all the cracks and now Goody is doing something else trying whatever it is he's trying and there's still lots of shaky ground.

Roos loves talking about defending and attacking like they are individual parts of the game but the relationship between the two has never been more symbiotic. So I'm not really that keen on hearing him talk about defending.

I'd rather here Roos talk about why the players mindsets are off, why the club felt the need to make splashy acquisitions like Lewis and Lever - neither of whom seem resilient - and why there's probably still a doubt on our footy department. I know I have my doubts on our list management, our fitness staff and the medical staff.

The Tigers do it, it works for them

 

5 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Sure, but that's about all we had under Roos (not entirely Roos' fault either). Everyone was wrapped when we finally started attacking a bit more in Roos' last year and put it down to Goodwin's influence and "can't wait till Goody takes over" etc. etc.

I fully understand there are limitations all over the place.  I for one didn't overly rate Roos on game days as we seemed to be slow to react. Initially i liked the verve being introduced by , i suppose, Goodwin .

It occurs to me Goodwin worked best when still under tutelage. 

I think another aspect was who was influential at that time...as compared now. 

The defensive side of our game is something that should be a lot better than it is.

5 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Years of just packing the backline under Roos probably didn't really develop the defenders to work one on one. The whole problem with the handover was Goodwin took over and started a brand new game plan. 

Our backs were actually somewhat accountable today but shellshocked when the ball hit the ground. The midfield pressure that we improved on under Roos was badly missing and there's too many defenders who don't win the ball back conclusively and turn it in to solid possession. 

Roos did a good job with a terrible foundation but didn't get close to fixing all the cracks and now Goody is doing something else trying whatever it is he's trying and there's still lots of shaky ground.

Roos loves talking about defending and attacking like they are individual parts of the game but the relationship between the two has never been more symbiotic. So I'm not really that keen on hearing him talk about defending.

I'd rather here Roos talk about why the players mindsets are off, why the club felt the need to make splashy acquisitions like Lewis and Lever - neither of whom seem resilient - and why there's probably still a doubt on our footy department. I know I have my doubts on our list management, our fitness staff and the medical staff.

Your first sentence is spot on. Roos was the first in a long time to be able to get our players to work back and help out the defence...thus making us harder to score against. But our players as individuals didn't really improve defensively as a result. 

We were not and and are not fundamentally better defensively as a group. We simply now have a good ball winning midfield that generally limits the opportunities that the opposition get. Now, if we could actually improve defensively we would be a much tougher proposition.

27 minutes ago, SPC said:

The Tigers do it, it works for them

 

They have more speed and agility than us. Thus far.

23 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Years of just packing the backline under Roos probably didn't really develop the defenders to work one on one. The whole problem with the handover was Goodwin took over and started a brand new game plan. 

Our backs were actually somewhat accountable today but shellshocked when the ball hit the ground. The midfield pressure that we improved on under Roos was badly missing and there's too many defenders who don't win the ball back conclusively and turn it in to solid possession. 

Roos did a good job with a terrible foundation but didn't get close to fixing all the cracks and now Goody is doing something else trying whatever it is he's trying and there's still lots of shaky ground.

Roos loves talking about defending and attacking like they are individual parts of the game but the relationship between the two has never been more symbiotic. So I'm not really that keen on hearing him talk about defending.

I'd rather here Roos talk about why the players mindsets are off, why the club felt the need to make splashy acquisitions like Lewis and Lever - neither of whom seem resilient - and why there's probably still a doubt on our footy department. I know I have my doubts on our list management, our fitness staff and the medical staff.

We  desperately need a couple of highly skilled, fast line breakers who hammer the opposition when we go forward. Trouble is that we have no draft picks to get them

Another problem is that most of our big fish are performing.. 

So who isn’t performing?

Our middle range 6/10  players are the problem and  have been forever. Either awful or  hot and cold .(Harmes, Melksham, Hannan, Bugg, Hunt, ANB, Lewis  , Vince, Stretch JKH, Peterson)plus duds like Johnston and 3 new draftees are raw but forgivable but that’s 15 big problems.

The spin from the coaching panel is some  had a good pre season, so they get a game, ( ballsjat in my opinion, as anyone who has ever played football knows after 3 contests who can play or not or what you are up against , no matter how much running they did pre season) .

So where is our our Martin, Trelor, Dangerfield coming from?

So how do we get back in the draft to get them?

To me six of the above , plus maybe Brayshaw on the table.

Today was all about the inability of our 6/10 ers. 

Clear them out!

 

 

 

Our limitations are between the ears.

Nowhere else 

Ill spew if Goodwin goes on about 'our brand' ...

So, is Roos suggesting that he tutored  the wrong successor, or that he tutored the right successor wrongly?

Maybe the players don’t like playing in the rain, or playing under the pump, just like they don’t like tough preseason camps.

Sadly, it is showing.   Not enough dedication.

20 minutes ago, monoccular said:

So, is Roos suggesting that he tutored  the wrong successor, or that he tutored the right successor wrongly?

Thats a very good question. Far better than either you or many  possibly would believe i suspect.

 

 

Dunn gave Tex Walker a bath 

Never should have let him go no experience down back

Frost is a headless chook 

Should only play on a wing if we are desperate 

Roosy left too early, i don’t blame him. But his job wasn’t even close to being finished. 

The clubs mindaet is still soft as butter. 

We have a better list, but without a hardened mindset it won’t get the job done

2 hours ago, Hell Bent said:

Yes we are,  but the biggest problem is our inability to convert once we get it inside 50.

Massive problem!

It is not our biggest problem. Which bit don't you get? They enter our fwd 50 15 times and have 12 shots at goal? Are you serious? The league average is something like 43% and we are at 80% The Geelong game was the same. 24 entres for 20 shots at goal in the first half and we conceded 80 points.

I don't care if Jesus H Christ is at full forward for Melbourne, you aren't going to win many games with that defensive effort. Our defensive structure (if we have one) is not working.

1 hour ago, Dockett 32 said:

We  desperately need a couple of highly skilled, fast line breakers who hammer the opposition when we go forward. Trouble is that we have no draft picks to get them

Another problem is that most of our big fish are performing.. 

So who isn’t performing?

Our middle range 6/10  players are the problem and  have been forever. Either awful or  hot and cold .(Harmes, Melksham, Hannan, Bugg, Hunt, ANB, Lewis  , Vince, Stretch JKH, Peterson)plus duds like Johnston and 3 new draftees are raw but forgivable but that’s 15 big problems.

The spin from the coaching panel is some  had a good pre season, so they get a game, ( ballsjat in my opinion, as anyone who has ever played football knows after 3 contests who can play or not or what you are up against , no matter how much running they did pre season) .

So where is our our Martin, Trelor, Dangerfield coming from?

So how do we get back in the draft to get them?

To me six of the above , plus maybe Brayshaw on the table.

Today was all about the inability of our 6/10 ers. 

Clear them out!

 

 

 

We gave two first round picks for Lever. The draft is not where we will find talent

If we have the ball then all our players switch to attack mindset and formation. As this happens the Dees players seem to habitually and intuitively 1) overpossess and handball, 2) miss in-close targets, or 3) fumble, then it constantly looks like we are out of position etc...

Add to that that Lewis is one of our main culprits (so fumbly and inefficient generally this year), Jones was used as a semi-tagger, and TMac and Viney are out, then we still dont have a leader/ someone experienced to initiate composure. 

We are getting the ball enough, and getting it inside 50 enough, but farting around with it is killing us time and time again.

THIS  is why we are scored against so easily. 

Our defensive structures are non existant without a shadow of a doubt, yes.

How hard is it in a 3 on 2 defensive situation to have 2 players spoiling the ball and 1 player stay down with the player at the back?

But no our stupid lot go 3 up and completely miss the ball and Smith kicks an easy goal.

Do you know what I mean? happened on at least 3 or 4 other occasions as well.

FML.

Edited April 15, 20187 yr by Win4theAges