In the absence of Tom McDonald I think both Weideman and Pederson are this weekend playing for a spot in the seniors for rounds 4-6 .

Weideman plays for Casey against Coburg. If he kicks 2 or more goals and does a decent job as relief ruck he will be in the running for round 4.

Against that if Pederson does the same or better in the seniors he will keep his spot.

The only reservation I have is that Coburg are an unaligned side who finished 13th last year with only Nth Ballarat below them.

Will be very interesting to see if either seizes the moment.

 

Edited April 5, 20187 yr by Grapeviney

i hope not jim.

i need to see the weid put in at least 2 or 3 solid games in real vfl matches first

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

i hope not jim.

i need to see the weid put in at least 2 or 3 solid games in real vfl matches first

Pederson is not exactly setting the world on fire.

Goodwin sees Weideman as important (look at last year).

In normal circs I would agree that he needs to show some more but the absence of Tom Mac is the perfect opening for Weid IF he puts in solidly this week.

Mind you the Weid was not exactly on fire last year in the VFL so it remains a big "IF."

Pedersen may have kicked two early goals against Geelong, but he was terrible for the remainder. As for last week, you'd be forgiven for saying he didn't play.

Weideman clearly has a number of things he needs to work on, but I wouldn't be adversed to trying him.

Weideman and Pedersen both get run off regularly, but Weideman's game against Adelaide last year should be his model for the next 2-3 years. Ensure he brings the ball to ground (or marks it) and tackle everyone in sight.

Edited April 4, 20187 yr by A F

By building him up as a ruck forward he starts to be a really valuable option.  He can give Max a chop out, provide a deep option and will be a direct replacement for a Pedo.  I see this as a natural progression through the year, as Weids builds, he takes Pedo’s spot.  He can form a partnership with TMac, with Hoges feeding them from CHF.  I think it happens as soon as he is deemed fit to go.  Pedo is then depth for TMac or Weid by the end of the year.

Pedo gets one more chance against his old mob. If he can't make an impact I think it's fair to say we move towards investing in Weeds.

I would love Weeds to earn his sports, but with tmac out we may as well use it to get some experience in to him.

 

Weideman virtually had no pre season. Not yet.

I think many people on this site have amnesia about what Pedersen actually did in the first two rounds. His passing, body work seemingly goes unnoticed by many here..

4 minutes ago, martin said:

Weideman virtually had no pre season. Not yet.

Agree. The Weid would blow up before half time

55 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

In the absence of Tom McDonald I think both Weideman and Pederson are this weekend playing for a spot in the seniors for rounds 4-6 .

Weideman plays for Casey against Coburg. If he kicks 2 or more goals and does a decent job as relief ruck he will be in the running for round 4.

Against that if Pederson does the same or better in the seniors he will keep his spot.

The only reservation I have is that Coburg are an unaligned side who finished 13th last year with only Nth Ballarat below them.

Will be very interesting to see if either seizes the moment.

 

 

52 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i hope not jim.

i need to see the weid put in at least 2 or 3 solid games in real vfl matches first

Lets not kill the kids 1 game good start to 2018, with bringing him up to AFL, too raw.

 

As we did last year Goody wanted to see a block of good form over say a month, prior to elevating a player to AFL level.  I reckon that's good sence.

Lets see him really earn it, and also feel like he's in top nick and deserves it, first.

Weideman  as much as l like and him hope that for a top 10 pick does well. However he needs to put several good consistent games together before he is ever picked to play.  His best ever game was his first game against Hawthorn 2 years ago. Believe me why play him if he can't put 2 reasonable games together in the VFL.. At the minute you stick with Pedo because he has  some runs on the board . He did ok last season.            

Hope TMAC is back soon.

Good thread and good measured debate 

agree with all said! 

I think Weed needs to build his own confidence in the VFL for up to half the season. I want to see him do well, then have teams put planning and effort into negating him, then see him overcome that.

For his own benefit, he needs to dominate and prove himself before accepting the huge pressure of playing KPF at senior level.

Weideman is't even close to a seniors game To suggest he is shows a complete lack of understanding of the game. The kid is a flop. He's Lucas Cook mark 2, we all know it but only some can admit it. 

Just now, Roost It said:

Weideman is't even close to a seniors game To suggest he is shows a complete lack of understanding of the game. The kid is a flop. He's Lucas Cook mark 2, we all know it but only some can admit it. 

Very harsh

Lets just wait and see

Has Weed put on any condition? Unless he has, this is a non starter if he is to play in the ruck.

Plus I'm in the Paul Roos camp that players should kick the door down to get a senior game. 

Edited April 4, 20187 yr by Colin B. Flaubert

3 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

Very harsh

Lets just wait and see

It is harsh but he was picl 9 and hasn't done anything of note bar one good game against hawthorn in 2016

He was also instrumental in the win over Adelaide, and of particular note was some fierce attack on the ball and great tackling 

I think he’s got all the hallmarks of an afl player

He’s still very young and undersized, but he shows talent with his skill set - all about desire and application and probably just as importantly for a big bloke, fitness, which is something he’s never had a real opportunity to develop due to niggles

Not every player can burst into the scene, and that’s especially true of talls 

Rather see how he plays with Casey first then back it up before he being considered. 

The weed will need half a dozen good games at Casey before selection. Good games at that.

Weeds needs to earn his spot, I feel like he was given graves he did not deserve last year. For a 3rd year player that can't happen. 

Pedersons form isn't great but I'd still say he competes well enough at the ruck contests to keep his spot for now. If Weeds is in for Pederson than he needs to show good competitiveness in the ruck contest as well as kicking goals because if Weeds is our second ruck and Gawn goes down than Weed will need to step into the main ruck role. 

dare I say it.......as good / or not as Weid turns out to be we missed charlie curnow. 

Pedo.

To be honest, Curnow (but his loyalty now lies elsewhere).

 We must’ve been close. Surely.

 

I've lost some respect for the Demonland faithful based on some comments about Pederson.

If you can't see his contribution, you have rocks in your head.

Zero chance Pederson gets directly replaced by Weeds.

Pederson is respected by opposition defenders, as such he demands a key defender. This has allowed Hogan to thrive. Pederson is an incredibly smart and instinctive player, and is an asset to the current team structure.

Dropping him would be a huge mistake. Teams know he has the capacity to kick 3-4 goals, can take a contested mark, has pace, can tackle, and has very good vision.

Dare I say teams are more focused on defending Pederson than Hogan, because they know that Hogan naturally floats through the middle at random points. 

As it stands, he adds complexity to our forward line structure. Replacing him with an inexperienced, one dimensional (as it stands) player in Weiderman would be bordering on tanking.

By all means, bring in Weeds. But not at the expense of Pederson.