Melbourne player investigated over alleged assault whilst overseas

[Ethan Tremblay 28,630]

Just now, DeeZee said:

Looks like no charges will be laid

Well if the woman involved is yet to provide a statement and is not assisting police then that would be the normal outcome. 

[Drunkn167 5,093]

1 hour ago, Choke said:

We found out today that Jack Viney can benchpress 155 kg which was pretty cool.

It was a good day.

Until now.

Where abouts did you read that?

[Ethan Tremblay 28,630]

2 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

Where abouts did you read that?

An MFC insta post. 

[Drunkn167 5,093]

Just now, Ethan Tremblay said:

An MFC insta post. 

Cool thanks, checked everywhere but there haha

[sue 8,491]

2 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

Where abouts did you read that?

Also posted in the pre season Training this week thread.

[grazman 6,685]

5 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

Looks like no charges will be laid

It didn't happen in Australia, ergo Australian Police can only assist the investigating jurisdiction, that being Indonesia.  If charges are to be laid they must be done by the Indonesian Police who would then seek to extradite the alleged offender.  I'd suggest there's next to no chance of that happening.

[Matt Demon 1,389]

The alleged assault occurred in Bali in September. There was only four Melbourne players in Bali at the time. 

[maximum bob 462]

Couple of points. (some already noted).

There was an incident in Indonesia according to the claimant and now acknowledged by the MFC. So far unsubstantiated in law and fact. This is the salient point. The media might be all over it but it doesn't matter a whit.

It occurred outside any jurisdictional aegis of any Australian authority. Tell the Victorian police all you want, true or not. It doesn't matter. The claimant can pursue absolutely nothing unless a complaint is lodged with the Indonesian police. Evidence will be required, hard evidence and believe me the Indonesians are used to dealing with this particularly in Bali.

It's a serious allegation and not what we need on our (for me brief )holiday break.

I will welcome due process but hanging anyone out to dry at this stage is  way off the mark.

 

 

[Lucifers Hero 37,389]

5 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

Cool thanks, checked everywhere but there haha

 

5 minutes ago, sue said:

Also posted in the pre season Training this week thread.

It was also posted in the Viney thread but it seems the instagram with the video embeddd in the post has been deleted from posts in both threads...

If it doesn't come back in those threads google Rob Jackson instagram

[RickyJ45 392]

I wish Col Sylvia could sort this aspect of his life out...

[Demonland 66,671]

Again, please no naming of potential players until there is confirmation. Those posts will be deleted for obvious reasons and if I have to say it again there may be bannings. 

[KLV 1,691]

Well, we got the boot camp drama off talk back radio...

[brendan 3,421]

FFS It’s not even Christmas yet 

[demon-4-life 467]

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

I think it's too early for these sentiments. 

I'd at least want to know the allegations, circumstances, etc.

My sympathy will be determined by the facts.  Right now it may, or may not be warranted. 

While I can understand your view. The only fact I need to know is a girl has come forward that she believes she has been sexually assaulted. 

You don't need to have sympathy, although maybe try some empathy. What would she be feeling? What would she be going through. I'm not saying any player is guilty or not guilty. Just that this person feels she has been violated. That is fact. 

[64" 97]

But is true?

[Gator 16,921]

2 minutes ago, demon-4-life said:

While I can understand your view. The only fact I need to know is a girl has come forward that she believes she has been sexually assaulted. 

You don't need to have sympathy, although maybe try some empathy. What would she be feeling? What would she be going through. I'm not saying any player is guilty or not guilty. Just that this person feels she has been violated. That is fact. 

You don't know what she "believes".  All you know is what she's reported.

That's fact.

[demon-4-life 467]

1 minute ago, ProDee said:

You don't know what she "believes".  All you know is what she's reported.

That's fact.

That is correct. Just ponder this question... under what circumstances would you or any person for that matter go and make a report of such things? To put your own name out there under such circumstances requires courage. There is nothing good that comes for the girl to report this and have the media attention. None whatsoever. 

That is why I take her word immediately and place more weight on it than presuming the innocence of a footy player.

again, personal opinion only. And everyone is entitled to their view.

[sue 8,491]

4 minutes ago, demon-4-life said:

While I can understand your view. The only fact I need to know is a girl has come forward that she believes she has been sexually assaulted. 

You don't need to have sympathy, although maybe try some empathy. What would she be feeling? What would she be going through. I'm not saying any player is guilty or not guilty. Just that this person feels she has been violated. That is fact. 

But there is such a thing as a vexatious complaint.  So it is not yet 'a fact' that she feels violated.   She may well be, she may not.  Assign probabilities as you wish.  But we have no fact at this stage.  I know in the Trump era facts can be fluid, but let's stick to using the word in its original meaning.

[sue 8,491]

1 minute ago, demon-4-life said:

That is correct. Just ponder this question... under what circumstances would you or any person for that matter go and make a report of such things? To put your own name out there under such circumstances requires courage. There is nothing good that comes for the girl to report this and have the media attention. None whatsoever. 

That is why I take her word immediately and place more weight on it than presuming the innocence of a footy player.

again, personal opinion only. And everyone is entitled to their view.

As I said, assign probabilities as you wish (and I'd lean heavily in your direction personally).  But if someone is making a vexatious complaint then while what I've bolded above may well be true in the long run, the complainant may not have realised that yet.  So it proves nothing about the facts.

[Lucifers Hero 37,389]

1 hour ago, KingDingAling said:

I don't think it would be from within the integrity unit. The AFL could do without this story.

I suggested the Integrity Unit/AFL as Peter Ryan (The Age) broke the story.  Until April 2017 he was an AFL staff reporter.  Of the 5 possible leak options, for me the AFL is the most likely the culprit. 

Maybe Ryan knew for a while and kept it quiet, maybe he picked it up at a Christmas party.  But it came from one of his sources.

[Gator 16,921]

4 minutes ago, demon-4-life said:

That is correct. Just ponder this question... under what circumstances would you or any person for that matter go and make a report of such things? To put your own name out there under such circumstances requires courage. There is nothing good that comes for the girl to report this and have the media attention. None whatsoever. 

That is why I take her word immediately and place more weight on it than presuming the innocence of a footy player.

again, personal opinion only. And everyone is entitled to their view.

You can presume all you like.  And I won't guess motives.

I'll wait for facts.

It's called the law.  Try it some time.

 

[Ted Lasso 17,198]

Really disappointing if true, but innocent until proven guilty. 

[Tony Tea 2,792]

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

The AFL might investigate if a complain is made to them but surely shouldn't get involved until legal avenues are pursued. 

You haven't been watching the AFL for the last, say, 10 years.

The AFL mission statement is "Get involved!"

[Tony Tea 2,792]

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I would have my money on the so called Integrity Unit.

The AFL Integrity Unit exists to make sure no one commits any integrity.

[Moonshadow 16,467]

28 minutes ago, demon-4-life said:

That is correct. Just ponder this question... under what circumstances would you or any person for that matter go and make a report of such things? To put your own name out there under such circumstances requires courage. There is nothing good that comes for the girl to report this and have the media attention. None whatsoever. 

That is why I take her word immediately and place more weight on it than presuming the innocence of a footy player.

again, personal opinion only. And everyone is entitled to their view.

Do you think either party should stop to "ponder" questions? Or even us?

Given the clear lack of information and that media are pulling and pushing stories, let's not assume too much.

I'm not going to be as black and white as prodee, because as we all know, the law is an ass and far from perfect (sorry Jack and Redleg) , but it's not our place to take sides with very, very little detail known.

I don't normally like commenting on these situations until more is known, mainly because only suffering will result, but let's wait to hear more before tipping the scales, hey.

Edited December 21, 2017 by Moonshadow