On 11/12/2017 at 1:46 PM, Redleg said:

On the highlights package you would suspect he will be well gone before our first pick. 

In the BigFooty mock draft we drafted him at pick 32 (there was an earlier Academy bid that was matched - Ballenden I think). Jordan Houlihan was ours at pick 30.

Edited November 13, 20177 yr by Clintosaurus

Based on what I've read and the very very limited amount I have seen this year, I think I'd be happy with Spargo, Houlahan, McPherson, Jackson Ross or Will Walker.

Surely there'll be a slider too to choose if we wish.

Going to put my 2 cents in here. 

Have loved Joel Garner for 2 years now. Really great kick, good speed, good decision maker, natural leader. He was in top 10 calculations coming into the year and did not get enough of the ball this year. He will fall down the draft order, and I think that he is a great fit for us. We have accumulated accumulators (Oliver, Viney, Trac, Brayshaw, Hibberd etc) and having a guy who gets 15 touches of a half back or wing and goes at 90% by foot complements what we have really well. 

James Worpel is one I am warming to now. He is an inside beast, AFL ready, whilst plays like Oliver, he kicks instead of handballs. There is a really nice piece on him today on AFL.com about his year and how his contested ball, tackling, clearances have been outstanding, his decision making has been second rate. However, his kick to handball ration is 7-3 which insane for an inside mid. Work on bringing that back to 1-1 and take his time a little more with his kicking, his 20m burst, his hunt for the football could really add good depth to our midfield. 

Hamish Brayshaw is one I wanted as a rookie last year and I wanted as a rookie this year (we have no spots) so bring him on down with our mid 40's pick. Ooozes leadership,  is a great kick of the football, great overhead contested mark, clutch with his goal kicking. The knock on him is his speed, he has had a bad run with injuries, but really good decision maker. Is he what we have a lot of (Melksham, ANB, Stretch, AVB, Hannan)? Absolutely, but this is a fairly vanilla draft and he is a low risk option, like his two brothers, and will play 100 Andrew Swallow B+ games for whatever club drafts him. Also, Melbourne invited him to the combine and are one of four clubs (Syd, North, Collingwood) to show interest in him. 

As for our first pick in the draft, I'd say best available of the top 20 that drop. Personally, I think that might be Matthew Ling. I think O'Brien, Petrticcle, Richards and Moore go higher than expected (high risk high reward) whereas Ling is a quick player with good skills off half back who is a nice player without having the potential to be a top player in the comp. Thus, think he'll slide. 

Looking forward to seeing 4 new Demons soon!  

47 minutes ago, Dee-licious said:

his decision making has been second rate. However, his kick to handball ration is 7-3 which insane for an inside mid.

This might be the problem...

AFL Mock Draft has us taking Callum Coleman Jones. A huge unit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOT-wOal5rw

52 minutes ago, WAClark said:

AFL Mock Draft has us taking Callum Coleman Jones. A huge unit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOT-wOal5rw

Quick hands for a big bloke. Could solve the second ruck and replacement key forward role,  if one left or didn't come on.

1 hour ago, WAClark said:

AFL Mock Draft has us taking Callum Coleman Jones. A huge unit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOT-wOal5rw

Mick Ablett must not do much list analysis before he runs with these suggestions.

In an earlier show after we had brought in Lever he said that, given we love Lever so much, Oscar Claravino would be a good pick up as a similar player.

Now he's got us taking a ruckman to play at Casey for the next 8 years behind Gawn?  

4 hours ago, WAClark said:

AFL Mock Draft has us taking Callum Coleman Jones. A huge unit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOT-wOal5rw

Callum Coleman-Jones. You would actually struggle to make up a more Melbourne name

What can the WAFL watchers tell me about Gordon Narrier. His highlights package is as good as they get. 

6 hours ago, WAClark said:

AFL Mock Draft has us taking Callum Coleman Jones. A huge unit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOT-wOal5rw

Have only seen these highlights.....does anyone who has seen more of him (Callum Coleman Jones)  think he could make that missing forward / ruck back up position, rather than just a back up ruck (who may not get much opportunity hopefully if Max stays fit and in form)?

Edited November 15, 20177 yr by monoccular

14 hours ago, fndee said:

Callum Coleman-Jones. You would actually struggle to make up a more Melbourne name

Ronald-Oxenblood-Tulip was a good Demon name, too....

19 hours ago, WAClark said:

AFL Mock Draft has us taking Callum Coleman Jones. A huge unit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOT-wOal5rw

For a bit unit, he actually gets a lot of ground ball. What he does next with it makes me cringe.

No thanks

we have two project ruckmen already plus the Weed as another development project:

Target is simple.... rank the outside mids and it is best available when 29 comes around.

 

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

No thanks

we have two project ruckmen already plus the Weed as another development project:

Target is simple.... rank the outside mids and it is best available when 29 comes around.

 

What about with later picks?

Do you pass on a player who is better than someone you already have in that position? 

If yes, would that not make a bit of a mockery of drafting, unless you were so bad in other areas that it was essential that they be fixed first? 

Are we in that position?

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

No thanks

we have two project ruckmen already plus the Weed as another development project:

Target is simple.... rank the outside mids and it is best available when 29 comes around.

 

One thing that is known about the draft is that the inside mids (contested players) are easier to get a handle on...and you're more likely to get a decent player from this group.

The outside players are where the early busts are more likely to be. Think someone like Toumpas for example.

I think by ranking & focussing on outside mids we are more likely to fail.

Pick best available in the draft and trade for weaknesses.

Really hoping Zac Bailey makes it to our picks. He’s a perfect fit for us IMO. Not only is he quick, but he fits the competitive type that Goodwins panel is assembling/developing. He’s great with contested ball but has the pace the break through/away from packs and could play outside earlier in his career. Not sure he will last to our pick but I’m crossing me fingers he winds up in red and blue!

Wouldn't mind Coleman-Jones at our pick in the 40s.  The one thing he's got is good hands below his knees, something that can be hard to teach.  Making better decisions and improving your kicking is easier to teach, so he would be worth a look.  

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Making better decisions and improving your kicking is easier to teach, so he would be worth a look.  

Cannot agree with this. How many years has Tom McDonald been in the system? 7 years, yet his decision making and kicking ability have barely improved

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Wouldn't mind Coleman-Jones at our pick in the 40s.  The one thing he's got is good hands below his knees, something that can be hard to teach.  Making better decisions and improving your kicking is easier to teach, so he would be worth a look.  

Paul Johnson was 6'6" and good below his knees but that was about it, at AFL level. He tended to dominate the next level down winning a JJ Liston for Sandy I think. 

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Wouldn't mind Coleman-Jones at our pick in the 40s.  The one thing he's got is good hands below his knees, something that can be hard to teach.  Making better decisions and improving your kicking is easier to teach, so he would be worth a look.  

Thanks Wise - I just love that saying.

6 hours ago, Redleg said:

What about with later picks?

Do you pass on a player who is better than someone you already have in that position? 

If yes, would that not make a bit of a mockery of drafting, unless you were so bad in other areas that it was essential that they be fixed first? 

Are we in that position?

no problem with that theory except in the "development area"

You cannot carry that many "development" players

1 hour ago, Demon Disciple said:

Cannot agree with this. How many years has Tom McDonald been in the system? 7 years, yet his decision making and kicking ability have barely improved

Nate Jones has improved his decision making and kicking considerably over his career. Different type of player to Coleman-Jones though. The point being is that equating one player to the other doesn't work

3 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

Paul Johnson was 6'6" and good below his knees but that was about it, at AFL level. He tended to dominate the next level down winning a JJ Liston for Sandy I think. 

Was outstanding at WAFL levefor about 5 years before retiring 

Coleman-Jones looks very much like a young Gary Dempsey, of Footscray fame. Great o/head mark, fine low possessions, too; keen to get the ball and handpasses somewhat brilliantly. Forget the kicking - that type of feed-out pack player will learn to kick quickly, akin to Clarry at the moment. Would be an excellent pickup for the Dees.

14 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

Cannot agree with this. How many years has Tom McDonald been in the system? 7 years, yet his decision making and kicking ability have barely improved

Barely?  I'd disagree with that.  He makes the odd poor decision from time to time, but more often than not when he's not trying to take a huge risk he can hit a target.  He has been able to improve over time, although it would be nice to see him improve even more.

14 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

Paul Johnson was 6'6" and good below his knees but that was about it, at AFL level. He tended to dominate the next level down winning a JJ Liston for Sandy I think. 

True, and I always hoped PJ would make it for us.  We have a better development system in place now and I'd back them to do a better job with someone like Coleman-Jones.