Post Match Discussion - Round 23

[Skin Deeamond 339]

Such is life or ah so well it has come to this. 

Both pretty pathetic last words by a police murderer. 

But not as pathetic as this football club in the past 53 years.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

15 minutes ago, P-man said:

Lewis on 360 says it was unusually quiet in the rooms before the game, which in retrospect was a bad sign.

What were the leaders doing to get them in the right headspace?

Pay cuts, they were told Lever is coming at $850k a year. 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

In an interview after the Brisbane game Petracca said it was "another learning game for us late in the season and all we needed was the four points and we got them".

I don't think the players actually understood the situation they were in, they didn't understand the percentage.

I don't think they realised that if they lost West Coast wouldn't need to win by much and that there was a good chance that Adelaide would have nothing to play for.

It goes back to the other thread about us not being able to really thrash teams, I honestly don't think the players fully understood what they had to do.

[beelzebub 23,376]

Clint... Just because players get paid heeps dont think for a sec they are all smart

[Coq au vin 755]

12 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Clint... Just because players get paid heeps dont think for a sec they are all smart

Maybe not, but I bet some can spell "heaps"!!! LOL!!?

[rolling fog 1,207]

14 hours ago, P-man said:

Lewis on 360 says it was unusually quiet in the rooms before the game, which in retrospect was a bad sign.

What were the leaders doing to get them in the right headspace?

Apparently Lewis didn't miss when it came to directing one almighty spray the way of TMac

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

2 minutes ago, the rolling fog said:

Apparently Lewis didn't miss when it came to directing one almighty spray the way of TMac

Good.

Tmac was awful last week.

That kick in gives me nightmares.

[Skin Deeamond 339]

On 28/08/2017 at 9:18 AM, poita said:

I banned myself from posting in this thread for two days to see if my anger and disappointment would subside, but if anything it has increased after WC's win yesterday. The playing group should be utterly ashamed by their efforts and performance on Saturday, and I hope the missed opportunity haunts them all for the rest of their lives. Clearly Goodwin wants to be everybody's mate, but I hope he absolutely tore into them at quarter time and after the game.

I thought we collectively looked scared witless on Saturday. The only players who took the game on at any point were Petracca & Hunt, possibly Watts & Melksham as well. The rest couldn't wait to pass the responsibility on to someone else. Our leaders and experienced players were collectively awful, from the captain down. It is truly sad when our best players were all second years.

Max Gawn's novelty buffoon act was endearing initially, and tolerable when he was performing well. With his form plummeting he is now just embarrassing himself. Sydney got into his head in round 16, he capitulated on that night and hasn't been the same since. He is clearly unfit and mentally he checked out weeks ago. He needs to decide whether he wants to be a footballer or a clown. He has had one good year in eight, and I will lose all respect if he holds the club to ransom when signing a new contract next year.

Tom McDonald is another who pretends to be a leader and senior player but his double act of sooking to umpires and mouthing off at opponents was pathetic. He hasn't had a kick for weeks (at least one that didn't hit an opponent on the chest) and was the single biggest reason why we lost on the weekend. Again he'd better not crap on about making finals and seeing the direction of the club next year, when he is so responsible for our current predicament.

Jones, Tyson & Oliver - I see the effort of all three, but just kick the fricking ball occasionally. Oliver is young and will win the B&F by miles but he will be a much more effective player when he kicks 50% of the time. Jones is supposed to be a leader, but he sets the tone for the team by taking the easy option all the time. Tyson has not progressed as a player over the past three years.

Harmes, Hannan & Vince - One decent quarter a month and 15 disappearing acts is not nearly enough for Harmes & Hannan. Our ability to replace these two with consistent performers will determine whether we progress next year. Vince has lost the plot this year and should not be given a new contract.

The coach - was at his best when he was forced to improvise in the absence of key players. When he reverted to safe mode in the last month or so he was found sadly lacking. He desperately needs a plan B & C, and to be able to get the players switched on from the outset. Unfortunately these shortcomings are what you get when you hire a coach who has never coached at any level - hopefully they come in time.

I feel, and have felt for some time, that we are two decent midfielders off being a strong side. Hopefully we can find one with pick 10, and we will probably need to trade for the other. Maybe Salem can be used as trade bait. Our forward and back lines will improve immeasurably when they receive decent support from the midfield.

 

 

 

A lot of our guys just don't take their football seriously enough for whole games. At training they look half-hearted and lackadaisical.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

32 minutes ago, the rolling fog said:

Apparently Lewis didn't miss when it came to directing one almighty spray the way of TMac

After the game?

[P-man 13,366]

36 minutes ago, the rolling fog said:

Apparently Lewis didn't miss when it came to directing one almighty spray the way of TMac

Sauce?

[rolling fog 1,207]

2 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

After the game?

Not sure, CB.

It was on-ground though, apparently audible from the sidelines.

Just heard it on the Real Footy podcast with Caro, Baum et al.

[rolling fog 1,207]

3 minutes ago, P-man said:

Sauce?

If by sauce you mean Sam McClure, then yes.

Real Footy podcast at 25mins. Sounds like it was the Qtr or 3Qtr time huddle. 

[P-man 13,366]

3 minutes ago, the rolling fog said:

If by sauce you mean Sam McClure, then yes.

Real Footy podcast at 25mins. Sounds like it was the Qtr or 3Qtr time huddle. 

Thanks for passing on. Can't say it wasn't deserved.

Lewis' influence and experience will be massive in bouncing back from this.

[DemonOX 8,791]

It's gunna be a very very very long preseason. 

Im bored already. 

[old55 23,576]

24 minutes ago, P-man said:

Thanks for passing on. Can't say it wasn't deserved.

Lewis' influence and experience will be massive in bouncing back from this.

Lewis' influence was supposed to prevent this from happening.

[Redleg 40,925]

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

Lewis' influence was supposed to prevent this from happening.

Don't think he can be expected to stop every idiotic action of every other player.

He even got himself 3 weeks out, which together with Jesse's suspension, probably cost us a win in one of those under a goal losses.

[old dee 23,791]

6 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Don't think he can be expected to stop every idiotic action of every other player.

He even got himself 3 weeks out, which together with Jesse's suspension, probably cost us a win in one of those under a goal losses.

He who is without fault cast the first stone.

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

17 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Don't think he can be expected to stop every idiotic action of every other player.

He even got himself 3 weeks out, which together with Jesse's suspension, probably cost us a win in one of those under a goal losses.

 Fail to see how what Lewis's suspension at the beginning of the season led to the disastrous choke in the last round and the lame round before that. If he wasn't suspended we no doubt would have found some other ways to mentally trip up throughout the season to keep us treading water. A consistent pattern this season, last season, 2015, etc, etc.

Edited August 30, 2017 by america de cali

[Redleg 40,925]

9 minutes ago, america de cali said:

 Fail to see how what Lewis's suspension at the beginning of the season led to the disastrous choke in the last round and the lame round before that. If he wasn't suspended we no doubt would have found some other ways to mentally trip up throughout the season to keep us treading water. A consistent pattern this season, last season, 2015, etc, etc.

It didn't lead to the choke in the last game, it was a reason for more games lost, which could have helped us avoid the choke.

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

9 minutes ago, Redleg said:

It didn't lead to the choke in the last game, it was a reason for more games lost, which could have helped us avoid the choke.

More early wins would have led to even a bigger choke later in the season. It's in our DNA. I hope Goodwin can perform genetic transplant surgery.

Edited August 30, 2017 by america de cali

[Coq au vin 755]

Does anyone remember the excitement of the 1987 and 1988 seasons where the players performed above themselves in the final few rounds and unexpectedly got deep into the finals? 

Edited August 30, 2017 by Diamond

[beelzebub 23,376]

6 hours ago, Redleg said:

It didn't lead to the choke in the last game, it was a reason for more games lost, which could have helped us avoid the choke.

Its not Lewis fault. Its not Buggs, Hogans or Bernie's. 

We play  as a team. The team efforts at times were sub par. The stategems at times were 'curious'. The selection table often seemed at tilt.

Jordan's fault we persisted with 2 extra off the back at times needlessly. His fault we shoved Tom down the back when he was obviously better up front. Jordans fault Bernie took kick ins ? 

How did we come to show up to the most important game as a bunch of nervous nellies waiting for Johno to mark their dance cards !!

Why were we playing underdone repairees ? 

Our defence must have been sponsored by Swiss Cheese. Our forward line choreographed by the Follies Bergere. 

Whatever Leading Teams does pay them out and [censored] them off as Leadership is as plentiful as a Ham Sandwich at a Bar mitzvah !!

No we choked. We choked sat and on various other outings.

Its not a singularity, it's cultural. It seems intrinsic to the brickwork.

The club still talks , still trips over, still spends before earning.

Stop lambasting Lewis, start Listening to him.

[jane02 3,748]

29 minutes ago, Diamond said:

Does anyone remember the excitement of the 1987 and 1988 seasons where the players performed above themselves in the final few rounds and unexpectedly got deep into the finals? 

That made me smile briefly - then the 2017 reality bus hit.

[Coq au vin 755]

6 hours ago, jane02 said:

That made me smile briefly - then the 2017 reality bus hit.

What was different about the player group then that allowed them to play with such a sense of excitement and win all those games late in the season and so unexpectedly advance deep into September?

[At Least I Saw a Flag 5,247]

2 hours ago, Diamond said:

What was different about the player group then that allowed them to play with such a sense of excitement and win all those games late in the season and so unexpectedly advance deep into September?

Those John Northey sides were not overly talented. But, by God, they had a real go!!