We paid pick 20 plus other stuff for Chris Dawes, after a 15-goal season. 23 is a bargain despite the club wanting Brown out the door. 

31 minutes ago, wizardinoz said:

How many years would he want?

Would imagine he and management would push for 4, or 3 with a 4th year trigger. Seemed to be the sticking point at North so no doubt we'd be offering him 4 years.

13 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

This time last year he would be a mid 1st round pick.  Not sure the injury downgrades his trade value much lower than #23.  Also there may be 'steak knives''/later pick swaps involved.

I don't know but I would think more. What's Kennedy worth, age forgiving, or Cameron? 

1 minute ago, Skuit said:

I don't know but I would think more. What's Kennedy worth, age forgiving, or Cameron? 

Agreed which is why I don't get people thinking #23 is 'overs'.

Pick 23 is a bargain.

If that's all we have to pay to get a proven ready-made KPF who has performed better than any forward we've had since Neitz, then it's a [censored] bargain. 

This one must be getting close now!

If the medical checks out then I see no reason why he can’t get back to his best.

Pick 23 is a steal for a 28 year old Coleman medalist. If North want a bit more to get the trade done then give it to them. They badly need players so why not throw in OMac or another of our fringe players

I hope he nominates us. I genuinely feel this could be a transformative trade. I’ll be absolutely stoked if it happens.

Don’t stuff around with this MFC. Just get it done.

23 will also get pushed out to late 20’s after compo and bids are dished out

1 hour ago, chook fowler said:

pick 23 for an injured 28 year old who is not wanted by his club seems overs to me.

Is he still injured?

3 hours ago, MadAsHell said:

I'd prefer 149, but maybe I'm over-reaching?

Imagine the whining on here not hitting 150.

38 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Pick 23 is a bargain.

If that's all we have to pay to get a proven ready-made KPF who has performed better than any forward we've had since Neitz, then it's a [censored] bargain. 

This one must be getting close now!

The last 2 years our leading goal kickers have barely slotted 20 for the year.

If Brown plays at 50% capacity he still kicks 30.

How people don't get that, I will never know.

Regarding the injury, if he was in dispute with North about how he was being treated, there is no way he would be rushing back from surgery. I think it's likely just two parties coming to the end of a relationship midway through the year and both acting accordingly

1 hour ago, 58er said:

Yes but why not go they At  the same time DeeS 

Can easily be fine in draft selective recruiting of B+ players ie day a Lyons or similar but outside runner Narkle ? 
whu nit Stephenson as a mid? Although a bit timid perhaps!

We have limited picks and limited salary cap space, I don’t think we can’t just use them on marginal upgrades.

Bringing Brown in will cost us Weideman’s spot in the side, a 2nd round pick and I’d imagine 600k or so. 
 

If we avoid Brown we could keep Weid, draft a 10 year player to add to the team and have salary cap space to make a serious play at Merrett or Kelly - the missing pieces of the midfield puzzle. 

1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

We have limited picks and limited salary cap space, I don’t think we can’t just use them on marginal upgrades.

Bringing Brown in will cost us Weideman’s spot in the side, a 2nd round pick and I’d imagine 600k or so. 
 

If we avoid Brown we could keep Weid, draft a 10 year player to add to the team and have salary cap space to make a serious play at Merrett or Kelly - the missing pieces of the midfield puzzle. 

Won't cost Weid his spot at all.

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

I think if we bring Brown in we’ll stuff around trying to play 3 talls and then eventually settle on one of Brown or Weid and won’t be significantly better.

There’s so many other positions to improve and if we invest in hard running skillful players the goals will come.

I love Weid and think he is developing nicely but I would take Brown over him every day of the week for 2021. That said I think they will play well in the same forwardline together with LJ playing a roaming role pushing up across half forward/wing 

If anyone's position is in danger in the forwardline it would be Fritsch for mine. I would prefer a Brown/Weid/LJ forwardline over Weid/LJ/Fritsch.

i don't see why brown, weideman, and jackson can't all work nicely together

I'd suggest we would be pushing GWS or whomever for a 2nd rounder for Pruess and I think we should get it given he is contracted and clubs some clubs are in need of a senior ready to go ruckman. Pruess for Brown would be a huge win IMHO

2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I love Weid and think he is developing nicely but I would take Brown over him every day of the week for 2021. That said I think they will play well in the same forwardline together with LJ playing a roaming role pushing up across half forward/wing 

If anyone's position is in danger in the forwardline it would be Fritsch for mine. I would prefer a Brown/Weid/LJ forwardline over Weid/LJ/Fritsch.

Why can't D/L ers Get it through their thi.k skulls that Fritsch position is NOT in danger! We do  not have to not recruit a TALL forward to suddenly have to eliminate Fritta  our best forward  by far in 2019 and 2020 ( Ahead of even Trac) as he is an A grader IF he develops to his full potential as he has indicated he wants to on our website when resigned. Recognising flaws etc and improvements needed is the start that Trac and May made and Bayley is now on that train snd look out. 40 goals 25 behind is a realistic target fir 2021.

Please tell me Who else other than Weid Ben Brown Tmac in 2018 form and fitness and Trac playing 75% forward are capable of that!

Brown Weid  with Jacko given free reign plus Fritta  and 3 small / mediums are fine if in good form and supply as has been with greater skill Are fine fir 2021.

Allowing Max Trac Clarry Angus snd Jack plus Harmes and Sparrow a resting role this seems fine In most conditions and flexible in style and  for wet and windy conditions ( Cairns or Hobart ) also. 

36 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

We have limited picks and limited salary cap space, I don’t think we can’t just use them on marginal upgrades.

Bringing Brown in will cost us Weideman’s spot in the side, a 2nd round pick and I’d imagine 600k or so. 
 

If we avoid Brown we could keep Weid, draft a 10 year player to add to the team and have salary cap space to make a serious play at Merrett or Kelly - the missing pieces of the midfield puzzle. 

Adding a Coleman medalist is not a marginal gain. He'll be replacing TMac. Big upgrade imv.

Move TMac on to free up some cap (easier said than done i know)

Brown and Weid can absolutely play in the same forward line. I'm struggling to understand the logic for thinking they won;t

we've drafted a 10 year player already. Luke Jackson. As a KP player in his second year i don;t want to see him overplayed and run into the ground. Which is another reason to bring in Brown. Leave LJ to play in the VFL and manage his games in the senior side. Let him develop in his own time.

Our midfield can improve with better coaching which i hope will be addressed in the review. Kelly and Merrett are very good players but not game changers for us in the same way i think Brown can be.

Edited October 22, 20204 yr by Better days ahead

7 minutes ago, 58er said:

Why can't D/L ers Get it through their thi.k skulls that Fritsch position is NOT in danger! We do  not have to not recruit a TALL forward to suddenly have to eliminate Fritta  our best forward  by far in 2019 and 2020 ( Ahead of even Trac) as he is an A grader IF he develops to his full potential as he has indicated he wants to on our website when resigned. Recognising flaws etc and improvements needed is the start that Trac and May made and Bayley is now on that train snd look out. 40 goals 25 behind is a realistic target fir 2021.

Maybe cool your jets a bit 58 . . . we're all variously excited and frustrated. 

As others have noted, assuming all is fine with the medical, then Brown at this price is a steal!

Will be interesting how our forwardline would look in 2021.  I'd have fritsch playing further up in Melksham's role (who on form this year is no longer best 22).  Fritsch would still kick a few but could be one of the important link men with the final kick inside 50.

But if we are going to have Brown and Weid playing forward, then I think we will need another speedy pressure forward to help kozzie - can bedform / hunt play this role?  Or is there someone else we can bring in.

 

 

21 minutes ago, Bates Mate said:

I'd suggest we would be pushing GWS or whomever for a 2nd rounder for Pruess and I think we should get it given he is contracted and clubs some clubs are in need of a senior ready to go ruckman. Pruess for Brown would be a huge win IMHO

Corr to North

2nd road pick compo to GWS 

GWS compo pick to Melb - Pruess to GWS

Compo pick to North - Brown to Mleb

 

1 hour ago, Half forward flank said:

Poor management and decision making. Knocked back 4 years at $750 last year. North had a gutful. Buyer beware.

It was 3 wanted a 4th year.

The thing is, even if Brown has an okay year, and kicks say 30 it means Weid gets the second defender, so his output should improve. and Jackson/Fritsch on the 3rd/4th defenders is dangerous as well. we just need to make sure we can get enough forward 50 tackles with that setup

 

14 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

Brown and Weid can absolutely play in the same forward line. I'm struggling to understand the logic for thinking they won;t

we've drafted a 10 year player already. Luke Jackson. As a KP player in his second year i don;t want to see him overplayed and run into the ground. Which is another reason to bring in Brown. Leave LJ to play in the VFL and manage his games in the senior side. Let him develop in his own time.

Our midfield can improve with better coaching which i hope will be addressed in the review. Kelly and Merrett are very good players but not game changers for us in the same way i think Brown can be.

There's not another successful side in the comp that plays 2 big key forwards who don't defend and don't get up the ground. Every coach worth their salt values defensive pressure in the forward line, it's the only way to stop other teams ball movement and create forward half scoring chances. 

Jackson shouldn't be overplayed but he's ready to play. He's not a skinny kid (he's already 95kg) and he already has a great tank. With longer quarters he'll have to ruck more next year too. Neither Brown or Weid ruck, nor would we want them too. I wasn't talking about key forwards either, let's draft another Rivers.

There's only so far any coaching can take a midfield full of thumpers. We need variety. Geelong have Mitch Duncan. Richmond have Edwards or Bolton. We need a guy to get the handballs from our inside mids.

54 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

Won't cost Weid his spot at all.

Want to bet? Jackson's going to play, he'll back up ruck and he's too talented not to contribute forward.

Goodwin's been talking for years about trying 3 big forwards and every time he tries it for a week or two he goes straight back to playing smaller and even at times this year just playing the 1 tall target. 

11 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

The thing is, even if Brown has an okay year, and kicks say 30 it means Weid gets the second defender, so his output should improve. and Jackson/Fritsch on the 3rd/4th defenders is dangerous as well. we just need to make sure we can get enough forward 50 tackles with that setup

 

I don't think Fritsch can play forward with the other three unfortunately, we'll need small crumbers who can lock the pill in