On 21/10/2020 at 08:39, america de cali said:

At same stage of careers.

Hawkins 79 games and 107 goals. Weed 44 games and 46 goals. Hawkins also offered influential power forward presence during his early years which Weed does not. I remember well the brutal mauling  he gave Nathan Carroll and us in his third game where he kicked 4 goals and helped set us on our current never ending mediocrity streak. That was a watershed game for us. Weed needs the competition for his spot. Sink or swim I say.

To give some context to this, Hawkins stepped into a Geelong side on the cusp of greatness.  He was a much bigger body than Weed, which allowed him to offer more influence as that power forward, but also had one of the best midfields of the modern era delivering him the ball.  And still it took him time to develop consistency and make good on his promise.

I think Weed still deserves time, but further support, whether that be in the form of Ben Brown, is necessary.

  On 21/10/2020 at 08:39, america de cali said:

At same stage of careers.

Hawkins 79 games and 107 goals. Weed 44 games and 46 goals. Hawkins also offered influential power forward presence during his early years which Weed does not. I remember well the brutal mauling  he gave Nathan Carroll and us in his third game where he kicked 4 goals and helped set us on our current never ending mediocrity streak. That was a watershed game for us. Weed needs the competition for his spot. Sink or swim I say.

I wasn't comparing their careers at the same age, more-so when (good) key forwards start to regularly impact games of footy and elevate their career.  Many start doing it in seasons 5 or 6.

  On 21/10/2020 at 06:45, hardtack said:

I was thinking "Groundhog Day" at the beginning of the week... I've since learned three classical languages as well as Japanese and Mandarin, can play most of Beethoven's catalogue and have obtained my commercial pilot's license.

Time would of be better spent doing sprints & practising on the left foot. 

There's a spot open you know..

  On 21/10/2020 at 08:59, Hardley Benial said:

Time would of be better spent doing sprints & practising on the left foot. 

There's a spot open you know..

In that case, my time would be better spent developing some kind of youth elixir.

  On 21/10/2020 at 07:35, Hannibal Inc. said:

I'm ambivalent, but can see the merit, especially as I think the next two years are crucial for the club.

Weideman starts next year as a 23 year old (is already) and it's his 6th season, which is the year many key forwards, such as Hawkins, really made their move.

Big year for Weideman, big year for the club.

I’m with you. I’m not overly sold on Brown but see why the club is going for him. He could pair well with Weideman and leave Weideman with the second defender. And yes Goodwin and Mahoney have jobs on the line so will want to recruit a mature key forward. 

It's crazy to think Brown has only been in the league one year longer than Weid. 

Would not touch Brown with a barge pole. Too fragile, too limited. If he doesn't catch it, he's done.

The best (ie big coin) forwards do more than catch it; even the King boys. Brown can't.

  On 21/10/2020 at 10:20, Mono said:

Would not touch Brown with a barge pole. Too fragile, too limited. If he doesn't catch it, he's done.

The best (ie big coin) forwards do more than catch it; even the King boys. Brown can't.

If Hogan really wants to play AFL, I'd have him in a heart beat over Brown. Probably much cheaper too.

But does Hogan still have the stomach for AFL?

  On 21/10/2020 at 06:52, DeeSpencer said:

Still a hard no for me.

Will provide a momentary short term boost that will stall the development of the other tall targets and cost us an asset that we need to improve the skilled runners and strong defenders that influence the game far more than one trick forwards.

So you are happy to give up any chance of competing in deep finals for the next few years on the hope that Weid and Jackson in the absence of Brown develop so we can contend in 3-4 years time assuming everything goes to plan.

  On 21/10/2020 at 10:20, Mono said:

Would not touch Brown with a barge pole. Too fragile, too limited. If he doesn't catch it, he's done.

The best (ie big coin) forwards do more than catch it; even the King boys. Brown can't.

Yeah, who wants a forward that could only average 45 goals a season (without missing a game) up until the end of 2019; the last three of those seasons each with yields of >60 goals with delivery that was not particularly special in any kind of way.  Why would anyone want a player like that?  It just beggars belief!

  On 21/10/2020 at 10:20, Mono said:

Would not touch Brown with a barge pole. Too fragile, too limited. If he doesn't catch it, he's done.

The best (ie big coin) forwards do more than catch it; even the King boys. Brown can't.

That's just rubbish

One of Brown’s issues in 2020 was his fitness. That being the case, one of the best arguments for him coming to the Melbourne Football Club could well be the presence at the Demos of fitness guru Darren Burgess, its strength and conditioning manager. If anyone can get him back on track and kicking goals, it’s this bloke.

  On 21/10/2020 at 11:20, hardtack said:

Yeah, who wants a forward that could only average 45 goals a season

To hell with a 45 goal/season forward. I want a 90 goal/season one. ?

he's coming, pick 23 i imagine

  On 21/10/2020 at 13:41, MurDoc516 said:

he's coming, pick 23 i imagine

Opinion or information? 

Not interested in a player that kicked 10 goals in a recent game of proper AFL football (not the shortened under 12’s asterisk footy of 2020)

  On 21/10/2020 at 13:41, MurDoc516 said:

he's coming, pick 23 i imagine

Frost for Brown. Imagine pulling that off a year ago. 

Garry and Tim

 

@SENBreakfast

 

Garry Lyon on Melbourne's pursuit of Ben Brown: I think he would only add to their forward line setup, his very best is great but it's just about whether he gets back to it. He would take a bit of pressure off Sam Weideman - you're not giving up the farm for (Brown) though.

  On 21/10/2020 at 19:45, dazzledavey36 said:

Garry and Tim

 

@SENBreakfast

 

Garry Lyon on Melbourne's pursuit of Ben Brown: I think he would only add to their forward line setup, his very best is great but it's just about whether he gets back to it. He would take a bit of pressure off Sam Weideman - you're not giving up the farm for (Brown) though.

On the money by Garry, but I would still give a early second rounder if that is the difference to picking us. Sometimes you have to pay a little more to get what you need.

  On 21/10/2020 at 10:35, Garbo said:

So you are happy to give up any chance of competing in deep finals for the next few years on the hope that Weid and Jackson in the absence of Brown develop so we can contend in 3-4 years time assuming everything goes to plan.

Always next year with some on here

What’s the alternative?

Our season has ended, fyi.

 

  On 21/10/2020 at 12:26, Demon Disciple said:

To hell with a 45 goal/season forward. I want a 90 goal/season one. ?

I'd prefer 149, but maybe I'm over-reaching?

Second rounder for Brown would be a good get

If North really want to offload him, we should be able to get him for cheaper than a 2nd round pick.

Can we use the second rounder we got from Hawthorn last year for Frost? That's surely an early second rounder that should get the job done.

It's essentially:

In -Ben Brown

Out - Frost

Works for me.

Edited October 21, 20204 yr by Bring-Back-Powell