1 hour ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

This is simply not true.  I'm somewhat ambivalent about Brown, but if Clarkson suddenly wanted him I bet the attitude would change around here.  If it was at the end of 2019 and he was wanting out of North there'd be a different sentiment.

Weideman covers a lot of ground and with good coaching the two can play in the same half.

Here's some brief highlights of just 2018 and he gets many goals where he's not hit lace out on a long lead, including a lot in general play.

 

Thanks for sending that on @Hannibal Inc., I for one thought a lot of his goals were either pin point passes or 'staged' free kicks.

Clearly not the case. 

Good to have your reality updated every now and again...

12 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Rubbish re: Richmond. Riewoldt clearly plays a second tall forward.

Never mind St Kilda (King/Membrey) or West Coast (Kennedy/Darling).

But at any rate, the only side that doesn't play two tall forwards is Geelong. Every other finals side played two key forwards. So who cares if players like Riewoldt or Marshall don't get huge touches. If they take marks and kick goals, then isn't that an upgrade on what we currently have?

Now, in saying that, TMac could give us what we're seeking in Brown. I don't see the need for us to take Brown if we're going to keep TMac. It's one or the other for me, and I'll be happy either way.

I'm not saying don't play a second tall, I'm saying don't have 2 big men who aren't all that mobile and will end up competing for 1 role in the side. 

Darling and Oscar Allen are great athletes who complement Kennedy. The Saints can play King alongside a 2nd ruck because he's a great mover and Membrey is the same height as Fritsch, just a beefer version of a medium marking player. Riewoldt's losing his mobility and struggling to impact most games now but for a long time he was one of the best movers and great defensively.

If we get Brown I hope I'm wrong but I'd be backing in Weid and focusing on younger tall forwards who have more versatility in their game.

 

I don’t get this argument about not playing 2 key forwards. We went alright in 2018 with Hoges and TMac playing in tandum.

4 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

I don’t get this argument about not playing 2 key forwards. We went alright in 2018 with Hoges and TMac playing in tandum.

Read that as tantrum, still works!

Edited October 11, 20205 yr by John Demonic

1 hour ago, Wells 11 said:

Brown in 2018 was excellent. So was Tmac... 

Sorry, you wanted 2019 too...

 

36 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I'm not saying don't play a second tall, I'm saying don't have 2 big men who aren't all that mobile and will end up competing for 1 role in the side. 

Darling and Oscar Allen are great athletes who complement Kennedy. The Saints can play King alongside a 2nd ruck because he's a great mover and Membrey is the same height as Fritsch, just a beefer version of a medium marking player. Riewoldt's losing his mobility and struggling to impact most games now but for a long time he was one of the best movers and great defensively.

If we get Brown I hope I'm wrong but I'd be backing in Weid and focusing on younger tall forwards who have more versatility in their game.

 

Could not agree anymore.

Weid can / will do the exact same as what Ben Brown can offer, with more defensive pressure, he just needs to be coached right and have someone instill the confidence. 

22 minutes ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

Sorry, you wanted 2019 too...

 

Nought Members must be ready to tear the Joint down if this guy is being “given” away

Rhys is treading on broken glass right now....

If there is some truth to the notion that his value has fallen (and it makes sense in the context of how North have basically pushed him out the door), and that we could nab him for a pick in the second round, then I'd go for it.

I don't think he is the greatest fit for our forward line, but the bloke has plenty of runs on the board and you could argue this season was an aberration. 

The big thing will be getting Tom McDonald off the list - do that and we're in the box seat.

Gets way too many cheap free kicks and has this habit of leading up to the ball. No thanks. 

Also, this technique of taking a long run-up and kicking through the ball on a set-shot - wtf? 

Edited October 11, 20205 yr by Skuit

2 hours ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

This is simply not true.  I'm somewhat ambivalent about Brown, but if Clarkson suddenly wanted him I bet the attitude would change around here.  If it was at the end of 2019 and he was wanting out of North there'd be a different sentiment.

Weideman covers a lot of ground and with good coaching the two can play in the same half.

Here's some brief highlights of just 2018 and he gets many goals where he's not hit lace out on a long lead, including a lot in general play.

 

The biggest issue with Weideman and Ben Brown together would be the lack of tackling and chasing pressure. Fritsch also is a weak link in that regard.

While we definitely need to improve our forward line, I think the answer needs to be with a player who is better on the ground. 

I think we have invested too much in Weideman and Jackson to not build around them and I think both are likely to come good. 

Just now, Wiseblood said:

 

I don't think he is the greatest fit for our forward line, but the bloke has plenty of runs on the board and you could argue this season was an aberration. 

The big thing will be getting Tom McDonald off the list - do that and we're in the box seat.

Dear lord i just threw up in my mouth reading this.... So 2018/19

We still cant figure out which one was the aberration.

29 minutes ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

Sorry, you wanted 2019 too...

 

Game has changed dramatically since those days though. You don't get a free shot on goal when you catch the ball on the full anymore and football grounds have shrunk by at least 30 percent.  

1 minute ago, Skuit said:

Gets way too many cheap free kicks and has this habit of leading up to the ball. No thanks. 

I have memories where he would kick a bag on us and 4 of his 6 goals came from soft free kicks. 

Personally I’m on board with getting him, do due diligence on his to see what the circumstances where that lead to his awful 2020 and work out what needs to be done to fix it. As for the way he plays, before 2020 the way he played was to kick lots of goals and consistently be in the Coleman medal race. 

Two questions will be firstly what will north accept as trade for draft picks, secondly should we get him do we basically have to do all we can to move TMac on? If not do we move him to defence permanently?

1 hour ago, Wells 11 said:

Brown in 2018 was excellent. So was Tmac... whose highlights from that year were equally impressive and we can barely give him away now.  You don’t get rid of a big gun forward for a second rounder unless something serious has happened to his body. We absolutely need due diligence here. Would way rather an elite outside mid. 

The difference here is that Brown did it in 2017, 2018 and 2019 not just 1 year.  

Edited October 11, 20205 yr by Demons11

46 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Game has changed dramatically since those days though. You don't get a free shot on goal when you catch the ball on the full anymore and football grounds have shrunk by at least 30 percent.  

Look mate, I don't really care if we get him or not, but I'm not particularly swayed by the analysis of the football Einsteins on here.  

We need another key forward and this guy averaged over 60 goals per year prior to 2020 and he's available pretty cheaply.  If the club thinks they can benefit from him in his prime then it makes sense to me.

Of course, I could try and overthink it and rationalise why it won't work, but I've got better things to do...

I just want to get better.  I can't imagine he makes us worse.

Edited October 11, 20205 yr by Hannibal Inc.

5 minutes ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

Look mate, I don't really care if we get him or not, but I'm not particularly swayed by the analysis of the football Einsteins on here.  

We need another key forward and this guy averaged over 60 goals per year prior to 2020 and he's available pretty cheaply.  If the club think they can benefit from him in his prime then it makes sense to me.

Of course, I could try and overthink it and rationalise why it won't work, but I've got better things to do...

I just want to get better.  I can't imagine he makes us worse.

He couldn’t possibly be any worse than TMac. Swap him in and TMac out and we’re well ahead imv.

He’d be an upgrade on McDonald who looks cooked but the biggest issue with Brown and Weideman in the same team is if neither player gets the ball lace out on the lead then you know it’s coming straight back out again.

At least a fully outstretched Brown is a big target, makes it a bit easier to get it somewhere in his wingspan.

As has been mentioned countless times, if he comes and takes a good defender, it frees up the Weid a little. If Weid is on fire and takes the number one defender, Brown gets let off the hook.

How many teams have two elite defenders that could contain them both individually?

 

13 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

He’d be an upgrade on McDonald who looks cooked but the biggest issue with Brown and Weideman in the same team is if neither player gets the ball lace out on the lead then you know it’s coming straight back out again.

If years count for leadership, then he makes Melksham redundant, and we can add another zippy small forward at their feet. Should be 1 of the checkboxes on our Free Agency/Trade Week to-do list!

If we are to seriously consider Ben Brown we need to stipulate I'm the contract that he changes his ridiculous hair. I don't care how many goals he kicks if so have to see him walk 80 metres when lining up for goal with all eyes on him with his hair bobbing around.

3 hours ago, dl4e said:

There is one thing we have to remember with Brown and that is you have to deliver it straight on to his chest. Given our poor forward line disposal there is major risk with this and would have to be worked on.

Also watch out for the filth in all this both with Brown this year or next year with the weed. If we get Brown then both he and the weed would have to work well together.

That's a underestimation of Brown's abilities, you don't kick 60 goals a year if you have to have the ball kicked straight on your  chest, do you think that Norths midfielder are that great of kicks, some forwards just know where to lead to take marks, also he averages 1.6 contested marks a game, which is 0.6 better then Jeremy Cameron. And for marks in 50 we average 9 marks a game, which is 1 more then the AFL average, we where 8 th for scoring, it's a bit of a myth that we are the worst side going into forward 50, there are 2 parts with entrance into forward 50, good kicks and also players q0qcp who know how to get in the right spots to take marks. Brown and weed can work well together, two different types of forwards.

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

Gets way too many cheap free kicks and has this habit of leading up to the ball. No thanks. 

Also, this technique of taking a long run-up and kicking through the ball on a set-shot - wtf? 

Got half way through responding to the first part of this, then read the second part and realised...my sarcasm meter is out of whack.

4 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

Second or third round pick seems to be what the article says.

Wow, I'd give them the Hawks 2nd rounder for sure (and so would Goody).

38 minutes ago, chookrat said:

If we are to seriously consider Ben Brown we need to stipulate I'm the contract that he changes his ridiculous hair. I don't care how many goals he kicks if so have to see him walk 80 metres when lining up for goal with all eyes on him with his hair bobbing around.

We're accruing too many Luke Darcy types on this forum - the ol' short back and sides crew.

I think Brown Dawg #50 would be a great get! I think his best football is in front of him...
 

And, I would like to keep TMac. I think weight trimmed back down can get back to his best as well. Can roam between Forward-Back and Wing! 
 

Both have plenty of upside...