Changes v Essendon (Round 6)

[Demonsone 2,032]

9 hours ago, Jaded said:

Anyone wanna guess how long Spencer will miss with an AC joint?

Gees we have rotten luck as a club!

We are Jinxed when you consider the injuries to our early picks Brayshaw,Petracca ...How many teams have lost 2 ruck men  in a season?

Edited April 24, 2017 by Hogan2014

[Pennant St Dee 13,094]

9 minutes ago, Hogan2014 said:

We are Jinxed when you consider the injuries to our early picks Brayshaw,Petracca ...How many teams have lost 2 ruck men  in a season?

Nic Nat Lycett & Petrie

[Diamond_Jim 12,527]

9 hours ago, Macca said:

I'm only interested in beating Essendon ... lose to the Bombers and our season could be shot. 

I'm also quite convinced that many here don't rate ruck work or taps to advantage.  All this talk of not needing a proper ruckman is utter nonsense. 

We've just found out the hard way with 3 consecutive losses largely brought about by not having a decent ruckman in operation (Sandilands slaughtered Spencer in the ruck last week)

How much proof needs to be offered?

Pedersen & Watts sharing the ruck duties won't work.  Talk of throwing T-Mac, Frost or suchlike into the ruck won't work either - we'd be robbing Peter to pay Paul regardless.

As they say in management parlance.... King's inclusion would be "sub-optimal" but it is the right choice. We need a nullifying ruckman.

Dare I say it we also need to adapt the game plan to a lack of ruck dominance.

Surprised that there has only been limited discussion re Declan Keilty for some role.

Edited April 25, 2017 by Diamond_Jim

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4 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Nic Nat Lycett & Petrie

plus they brought in vardy as well as petrie and already had giles on their list - however, they knew that nic nat was unlikely to play all year as he recovers from his acl and i seem to remember lycett was crocked at the end of 2016 as well

our biggest list management issue is that we're still carrying players who are / were, in all likelihood, unlikely to play senior games in 2017
 

Edited April 24, 2017 by DemonAndrew

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29 minutes ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

This is what I reckon will happen and what I would trial- T-Mac into the ruck, O-Mac back in and Pederson forward. JKH I expect will play as I suspect Goodwin will focus more on what he did without the ball first game back (7 tackles) than some of the horrors he committed with it. Assuming those that were lame get up but Bugg next one up if they dont:

Out: Spencer, Smith, Tyson

In: Pederson, O-Mac, Lewis

 

 

Agree on JKH, I hate the idea of bringing players in for 1 game and then dropping them unless they break team rules. JKH got better as the game progressed and 7 tackles shows intent.

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11 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Ins. Pedersen Bugg Lewis Kent 

Outs. T Smith inj  Spencer inj  Jkh  ANB

Jetta  T.mcd. Hibberd

Salem  Frost  Melksham

Stretch  Viney  Hunt

Petracca  Watts  Kent

Garlett Hogan Vince

Pedersen  Lewis  N.Jones

Bugg Oliver Harmes Tyson

Nailed it

[buck_nekkid 5,846]

Immediate outs:  Smith and Spencer

Under injury cloud:  Petracca, Viney

Immediate in:  Jordan Lewis, Bugg (performance at VFL Level)

Other immediate options:  Pederson, Weids, O-Mac, Kennedy, Trengove, Kent

Risky selections: King.  White, Kielty (need more time)

So, the selection panel will need to consider a few things:  1) what the hell do we do in the ruck?  2) what should our best forward structure look like? 3) How do we add skill and talent to the helter skelter the team offers 4) who needs a rest?

Lets see how the team pulls up, but I can see 4-5 changes this week.  Essensystematicdrugcheats should be gettable, even with the injury list we currently carry

Edited April 25, 2017 by buck_nekkid

[titan_uranus 24,970]

9 hours ago, bing181 said:

You see what you want to see I guess. Love Nev as much as the next wo/man, but is he damaging enough once he gets it? You look at what Hibberd and Hunt did tonight and wonder if the modern game hasn't gone past the role of a primarily defensive HBF.

I actually think Jetta has a great attacking game. It wasn't on display last night, agree, but I don't see his ability to get forward or link up in play to be a weakness in his game.

He saves us goals on a weekly basis and that alone is worth his spot in the side.

3 hours ago, Forest Demon said:

As for outs, who knows. Lots of injuries and sore bodies, and couple that with a 6 day break after a game in the wet.

Bugg, Pedersen and Lewis to start with, possibly another 1 or 2.

Huge 5 games before the bye now. Injuries mounting and we need to win at least 3 of them.

True, but we're playing Essendon who will be coming off a 5 day break after, possibly, a game in the wet. So I don't think we'll need to make a stack of unforced changes just for that reason.

30 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

As they say in management parlance.... King's inclusion would be "sub-optimal" but it is the right choice. We need a nullifying ruckman.

Dare I say it we also need to adapt the game plan to a lack of ruck dominance.

Surprised that there has only been limited discussion re Declan Keilty for some role.

But how will King be able to "nullify" Leuenberger when he is 200cm and 99kg and hasn't played a full VFL game?

He's obviously the tallest option we have but I don't think that is sufficient to warrant putting him in the middle and Leuenberger driving his knee/body into him at every opportunity. I don't see that option as being any more effective or "optimal" than Frost, TMac, Pedersen or even Watts.

Whatever we go with, it's not going to be ideal, but I don't see how throwing King's development out the window at a time when we otherwise wouldn't be close to discussing his suitability for AFL football is any better than the other options. 

17 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

Agree on JKH, I hate the idea of bringing players in for 1 game and then dropping them unless they break team rules. JKH got better as the game progressed and 7 tackles shows intent.

All 22 players showed intent last night, so I'm not sure it's enough for JKH to hold his spot for doing what everyone else was doing.

Yes, the 7 tackles is good, but IMO when added to the mistakes and the general lack of influence elsewhere means he was a net loss to the side. The injuries may well mean he gets another crack and if so, let's hope he builds on last night, but if we had a fresh list I don't think tackles alone is enough.

[brendan 3,434]

No chance ANB gets dropped he laid a team high 9 tackles last night we need his forward pressure, until dean Kent gets those tackle numbers I wouldn't swap them 

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Dom Tyson surely needs to be dropped - disposal by foot is some of the worst in the league. Liability for mine 

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7 minutes ago, brendan said:

No chance ANB gets dropped he laid a team high 9 tackles last night we need his forward pressure, until dean Kent gets those tackle numbers I wouldn't swap them 

Makes Stupid Game changing errors, that's enough for me!

[Ted Lasso 19,278]

I'm pretty surprised by the criticism of Alex Neal bullen, he's still learning but he's finding the ball, running hard both ways and his defensive efforts are fantastic

he is probably our best midfielder defensively and finds the ball as well, I think we need to persist and back him in To be able to clean up the mistakes and become more dangerous. 

Harmes to me just always like a fraction off the pace of AFL

[brendan 3,434]

2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Makes Stupid Game changing errors, that's enough for me!

Everyone always remembers the mistakes how about the good things he done for example hitting petracca up in traffic for a goal plus another 3 score involvements, he had 6 turnovers from 21 disposals, that's not great but I think the good slightly out weighs the bad, everyone carries on how good dusty Martin is he had 32 disposals but 10 of those were turnovers running at 35% de, I don't think ANB Deserves to be dropped on what he has shown this year has been 1 of our best players imo 

[demoniac 1,330]

16 minutes ago, brendan said:

No chance ANB gets dropped he laid a team high 9 tackles last night we need his forward pressure, until dean Kent gets those tackle numbers I wouldn't swap them 

It'd be handy if could eliminate his brain fades ie the kick to O Mac a few weeks ago or the" I can't believe a professional footballer was that stupid" deliberate out of bounds last night.

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11 hours ago, Nasher said:

Bloody Goodwin should have selected Pedersen - it was obvious Jake was going to do his shoulder in the first quarter.

no, pedersen was a better choice than smith, plus he could have played 2nd ruck and allowed watts to stay in the forward line.......regardless of what happened to jake

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Hopeful Ins: Elite decision making and execution

Hopeful Outs: Brain fades and clangers

[dees189227 12,368]

Can we drop watts next week to protect him? Gawn gone down and now Spencer, there seems to be a curse on our big men. I don't want to lose watts. It's like someone put a spell on us

[Demon Jack 6,858]

Out: Spencer (Inj), Smith (Inj)

In: Pederson, Lewis

Hopefully Trac is ok for next week. Kent comes in if he's injured.

Neal-Bullen and JKH combined for 16 tackles. To the dismay of many, neither will be dropped. I wouldn't mind seeing JKH play a few matches before I make a call on whether he belongs in the team.

Personally, I would like to see minimal changes (injuries pending). I want Goody to back the same team to perform against the Bombers just to show them that we can win by playing this style of football. Yes there were some inexcusable errors by seasoned players, but we won't go far if there's four to five changes every week.

Edited April 25, 2017 by Demon Jack

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3 minutes ago, Demon Jack said:

Out: Spencer (Inj), Smith (Inj)

In: Pederson, Kent

Hopefully Trac is ok for next week. Bugg comes in if he's injured.

Neal-Bullen and JKH combined for 16 tackles. To the dismay of many, neither will be dropped. I wouldn't mind seeing JKH play a few matches before I make a call on whether he belongs in the team.

Personally, I would like to see minimal changes (injuries pending). I want Goody to back the same team to perform against the Bombers just to show them that we can win by playing this style of football. Yes there were some inexcusable errors by seasoned players, but we won't go far if there's four to five changes every week.

Lewis walks into the team before Kent

[Demon Jack 6,858]

Just now, buck_nekkid said:

Lewis walks into the team before Kent

Good point! Completely forgot about Lewis.

Edited!

[Macca 16,904]

Pedersen has gone from being the chief whipping-boy to the saviour yet his actual output is still negligible.  Goodwin will pick him now but previously, he's not done that.  He is not a ruckman in the sense that he's below average at the art of rucking.  The stats and our eyes bear that out.

Here's how I see things playing out if we use Pedersen & Watts in tandem in the ruck ...

• Leuenberger gets 60 tap-outs with at least 20 of those taps to advantage
• Pedersen & Watts get about 20 taps between them with very few to advantage
• The Bombers win the clearances especially so in the 2nd half
• They win the game.

So King is coming off an ACL - big deal.  Gawn did 2 of those as a youngster.  Mitch is back playing footy in a position that is very physical ... and he got 26 tap-outs on the weekend.  I'd admit that he's not be the ideal choice but what alternatives do we have? (see above) 

And if someone wants to paint a better picture, go right ahead.

[Gator 17,261]

In: Lewis, Oscar McDonald

Out: Spencer, Smith

Or if they really want a 200cm ruck to keep our structure would they punt on King off one VFL game

In: Lewis, King

Out: Spencer, Smith

We need cohesion, so the less changes the better.

 

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Melbourne's Christian Petracca and Jake Spencer set for scans. Club say Petracca's knee is OK, Spencer's shoulder not looking good #afl

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4 minutes ago, ProDee said:

In: Lewis, Oscar McDonald

Out: Spencer, Smith

Or if they really want a 200cm ruck to keep our structure would they punt on King off one VFL game

In: Lewis, King

Out: Spencer, Smith

We need cohesion, so the less changes the better.

 

This makes the most sense so far. Playing King would be a massive gamble and surely won't happen. I'd like Frost to ruck more

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,477]

IN: Lewis O.McDonald, Bugg

OUT: JKH, Spencer, Smith

 

B:     JETTA             T.McDONALD          HIBBERD

HB:   HUNT              O.McDONALD         VINCE

C:     SALEM            JONES                     LEWIS

HF:   ANB                  WATTS                   BUGG

F:     GARTLETT       HOGAN                  PETRACCA

FOL: FROST             OLIVER                   TYSON

Int.     VINEY             MELKSHAM           STRETCH         HARMES